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Reader Jim has asked Lewisham Council to find an urgent solution to traffic chaos on his street, caused by the recent expansion of the Ladywell CPZ, which has shifted more parked cars on to narrow streets used by the 484 bus.

He has written to Mayor Bullock to complain about the impact that the Ladywell CPZ has had on Brookbank, Shell Road and Vicar Hill. The litany of woe includes scrapes, road rage, traffic jams and one occasion when a bus careened in to someone's front garden - exhibit A:

He says:

The CPZ did not account for the bus route. This was a major failure that requires urgent attention. It is not fair to residents. It also is not fair to the people using the 484. Most of all, it is not fair to the bus drivers of the 484 route. 

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is pretty much what happens with the 484 everywhere. Definitely like this in Brockley, and have heard it's like it elsewhere; CPZ or no CPZ.

I suspect you'll just have to get used to it.

Anonymous said...

The CPZ on the lower streets have created pure havoc on Shell Rd. Residents are trying to get a CPZ for shell rd to alleviate the problem.

Anonymous said...

I am a resident on Shell Rd and would prefer to pay for a yearly parking pass than deal with the chaos that has ensued.

kolp said...

I use the 484, and it's not great with cars lined up each side of the unmarked road. I reckon, a yellow line. Or a off peak restriction, rather than a blanket extension would alleviate the extreme issues.

Anonymous said...

Extension of the CPZ would do nothing to solve the problem, it would simply shift it elsewhere - surprisingly it is this blinkered view of a solution that has exacerbated the problem in Ladywell.

Anonymous said...

Typical bus driver I guess. 2 modes FLAT OUT or HARD ON BRAKES.

Anonymous said...

That's because bus drivers drive honestly - no faff.

BB Roader said...

Thank you Jim. I have also been hounding the council about this issue for some time. Is your contact at the council Imogen Payami? You might have seen my comments on another thread about the litany of recent problems on Brookbank - all since the cPZ was introduced further down the road. I just don't think the council is capable of joined up thinking on this, or at least unwilling to admit that all the recent problems are as a direct result of the parking measures introduced by them. They have finally agreed to put double yellow lines around the corner of Brookbank and shell so that people don't park right next to the roundabout, meaning that the bus can't get round it. However, this just means less parking on Brookbank, thus pushing the problem elsewhere. Imogen keeps referring me to the current consultation that is going on, but it is so hard to get your point across on these leading questionnaire-type things. No doubt we will be blackmailed into a CPZ and the problem will move further up the road. Commuters DO park in the top half of Brookbank and walk to the station but also, those people in the lower half of Brookbank who didn't want the CPZ now park in the free bit as well, meaning less and less parking. Meanwhile, you look down the road and the CPZ section of Brookbank is empty. Very frustrating, and it's only going to get worse when all the new Loampit Vale flats, which have ZERO parking , are occupied.

BB Roader said...

Sorry, i now see that you went to Steve Bollocks direct, not the council.
Also I'd just like to add that it's purely luck that the bus driver didn't kill anyone; and that according to one of the bus drivers I spoke to during one of the road rage/gridlock situations, Abellio have wanted to change the bus route for some time but it is TFL that says no. I think the bus should be one way down Brookbank; there are several easy alternatives that would mean that two buses would not meet head on on Brookbank Rd.
In the past 3 months, a bus driver has been attacked, several cars have been scraped by a bus, a bus has crashed into a bus stop and somebody's garden, and there have been countless gridlock situations that have only been resolved with police help. This is surely not what we want the police doing. The police also spent 2 hours hanging around arranging for a van that had parked too close to the roundabout to be towed away.

Tamsin said...

TFL don't like it when routes going one way differ from the reverse route - but it is possible and, indeed happens on another part of the 484. So supporting Abiello in pushing for it would be one positive step that people can take.

Anonymous said...

This talk is absolute rubbish. As a regular dog walker, the traffic has always been terrible on vicars hill - this was the same before the CPZ.

Also - the bus ending up there was at what time on a saturday night? Err...think you'll find the CPZ only operates mon - fri between 9am and 7pm....

Nothing at all to do with CPZ and no-one has been parking illegally

Anonymous said...

When did writing to bullock or one of his hench creatures ever do any good?

Another lewiSHAM consultation...

By the way, the next flats (and final) to be finished on Loampit Vale DO have underground parking for residents...not that I have been in favour of any if them. Just saying...

Brockley Nick said...

Also, a lot of the new Loampit Vale flats are already occupied.

Anonymous said...

I am terrified of the 484; will drive down alternative routes to avoid it. As a pedestrian with buggy: no way. Hence the driving. The whole thing is a mess.

Anonymous said...

Ladycroft residents are having severe difficultys in parking anywhere in their street due to CPZ. I also have been onto the council and as with other residents in our road and Shell road we would be happy to have residents parking but instead have to put up with the cars that do not have permits.

Anonymous said...

Hmm...when the extension was consulted on, Lewisham do actually take the view of the majority of residents in each street. Therefore, the majority of residents in the troubled areas now, didn't want the CPZ....even though everyone knows cpz's push problems further afield...

BB Roader said...

Anon 19.55, there are two separate but related
issues here. The bus crashed because it clipped the post box while swinging very wide around the roundabout to avoid the cars parked too close to the roundabout, totally legally (at the moment). I didnt say that anyone was parking illegally, but they do park stupidly. Hence the need for the yellow lines, that will be painted before the end of the year according to the council. I don't know why this has started happening because until recently, residents never ever parked that close to the roundabout because they knew this would cause problems with the buses. More recently, people have started routinely parking right next to the roundabout (because at all times, during CPZ hours and not, there are fewer spaces available or should i say more cars), causing all these issues for the bus drivers.
The yellow lines will go some way to sorting out the problem for the bus drivers, but not for the residents, who will have less parking space available (they are also going to put some short-stay bays outside the shops and more yellow lines around the top corner by the shops).
All the other incidents I mentioned happened during CpZ hours so I'm not sure you can claim that it has nothing to do with CPZ. I have lived on Brookbank for many years and yes, there has been the odd occasional incident over the years; whereas there have been dozens in the past few months. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you live on Brookbank so you probably haven't witnessed everything that I have.
Also, I agree that Vicars Hill has always been difficult but the top has become much more congested since the CPZ was introduced further down the hill.
@ Nick, I know a lot of the flats are occupied. But they are not yet all occupied. And already, parking is noticeably much worse.

Brockley Nick said...

@BB - sure, understand. Just pointing out to those bracing for a flood that much of the flood has already happened.

Anonymous said...

"As a regular dog walker, the traffic has always been terrible on vicars hill - this was the same before the CPZ."


nonsense - it was always bad - now it is far worse, as a direct result of the CPZ, and I live on Vicars Hill

Anonymous said...

"bracing for a flood that much of the flood has already happened"

rubbish - much of the Loampit vale development is unoccupied because it isn't finished yet

Anonymous said...

Extend the CPZ.

I hardly see how the CPZ may be responsible for the 484 derailment in the middle of the night.

People in Lewisham can come up with all sort of rubbish to save their CPZ 33 pence a day...very sad

NAT said...

The CPZ's effect on the 484 has been well documented on this and other threads.

Do keep up.

Brockley Nick said...

"rubbish - much of the Loampit vale development is unoccupied because it isn't finished yet"

Yes, quite so. So much of it is and much of it isn't. I'm glad you agree with me.

Anonymous said...

Is his name really Steve Bollocks?

Kind to the credulous said...

Steve Bullock. I expect you can see why the name gets amusingly twisted.

Anonymous said...

"Ladycroft residents are having severe difficultys in parking anywhere in their street" Anon 20.22

Don't ladies from anywhere have trouble parking ....anywhere???

Anonymous said...

So if this is a problem caused by bad parking, why are people suggesting that the bus route change?

BB Roader said...

*sigh*
It is not simply a problem caused by bad parking. Bad parking exacerbates an already difficult situation. People park badly because there is nowhere else to park because, variously, depending on the time of day and the people concerned, people have come from elsewhere and parked in a free zone to use the station; people who now live in the CPZ have parked in the free area to avoid having to have a CPZ, hence leaving nowhere for those who actually live in the non-CPZ part of the road to park; people are just stupid.

BB Roader said...

Oh, and like it or not, this situation has a direct effect on the bus. Because there is no longer anywhere for buses to pull in when they meet an oncoming bus; because there are more rat runners causing congestion; because a not-particularly-wide road that is now totally full of parked cars on both sides (while further down the road it is pretty much empty) is not a suitable route for a bus to pass - it has become evident that it is a major problem for the bus drivers. We are not making it up.

Anonymous said...

It is a big problem. I'm a 484 driver and i find it annoying when people park right on the edge of the roundabout and i know that if i scratch a car there by accident while trying to squeeze a massive bus through a tiny space, its my job on the line.

Anonymous said...

That driver had an accident. It's not just bus drivers who are prone to accidents. People can be driving fine and still have an accident. The driver wasn't speeding. They probably panicked and oversteered.

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