Arrests follow another Brockley drugs raid

Lewisham Police's increasingly hard-line stance on drug crime in Brockley - which has produced recent raids on a number of local businesses - has produced more arrests. A statement issued today reads:

Brockley Safer Neighbourhoods Team in partnership with officers from the Territorial Support Group executed a warrant at an address in Cranfield Road SE4 on the 16th October 2012.

This was as a direct result of information received from concerned local residents. Officers detained two men at the address and found a quantity of what was believed to be Class A drugs (heroin) (cocaine) and (MDMA) during the search. The men in their 20s were arrested for possession with intent to supply Class A drugs and taken to a South London Police Station. They have been bailed pending further enquiries.

Police Sergeant Jon Biddle of Brockley Safer Neighbourhoods Team said: "This operation proves once again that I will target drug dealers on my ward. Drug dealers are a blight to our community and this sort of crime affects the community because of the associated anti-social behaviour and criminal activity. If you have information that can help to reduce crime, please contact your local Safer Neighbourhoods Team as soon as possible."

39 comments:

Inspector Cleseau said...

We need Kolp's analysis before we all pile in.

dekanube said...

I am pleased about this, I remember when I was giving complaints to the police repeatedly I felt anger that they wouldn't act fast enough to eliminate this from our neighbourhood. I'm glad that with enough evidence they are able to make these arrests. Makes me feel like there is a system in place that works, however occasional it may seem or feel... thanks for the update

Anonymous said...

Did anyone watch the Channel 4 live drugs trial on the recreational uses of MDMA?

Most interesting, and well overdue an adult debate on the issue rather than just carrying on banning things and arresting people for forgotten or dishonest reasons.

Both episodes are here for anyone feeling open minded.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/drugs-live-the-ecstasy-trial/4od

Brockley Nick said...

Pro-drug legalisation, pro-enforcement of laws against drug-dealers.

Anonymous said...

You can't do B without sorting out A first. There needs to at least be an overlap.

Anonymous said...

Why not? If drugs are legalised, why would a licence to trade in them be automatically granted to those who were previously acting illegally and purely for profit? Even if eligible dealers will still trade under the radar to avoid the costs & taxation of legitimate trading.

Anonymous said...

Such free trade would actually be welcomed by many non-curtain twitchers

Anonymous said...

Well you can buy ciggies illegally from dealers who don't pay tax. Few can be bothered so it remains a fairly minor issue. Would a 21 year old clubber prefer to by E from a dodgy bloke in a bog or get some verified pure from a licensed outlet? Paradoxically you can control legal selling. The ilegal trade is unregulated.

Anonymous said...

What Nick said.

Anonymous said...

Exactly 13:52. I look forward to the day I can pick up a hessian sack of organic Mandy crystals from the Broc-E-Mart

Anonymous said...

Curtain twitcher commenter.. ? My earnings are taxed and legitimate, so should everyone else's be. What's your stance on "big business" exploiting tax loopholes?

Anonymous said...

Absolutely fine with it. No one pays more tax than they have do, it's good business.

Anonymous said...

Except that reducing one's tax burden (or dissolving it altogether by trading illegally) has the net effect of increasing the burden on everyone else... I'd rather see legal trade with paid employees, control of the product, revenues paid. This would have to be enforced post legalisation and apparently HMRC aren't doing do well up against criminal gangs undercutting cash&carries to supply the corner shop market & evade alcohol duty so you may get your free market yet.

polly said...

I see drug dealing intermittently from my house - people hanging around doing nothing for 10-15 minutes, then a guy on a bicycle comes up and they covertly do the deal. It's been going on for years (the same dealer) but sometimes months go past without me seeing anything. I've probably seen it happen a dozen times over two years. Is there any point me reporting this to anyone? Thus far I've assumed not...

Anonymous said...

Well, if you could work out their prices, that would be a start...

Seriously, the need to report something based entirely on fear, uncertainty and doubt is the real crime in this so-called story.

Anonymous said...

Disagree. My close friend battled addiction for 5 years and killed himself before he turned 30. Friends he made in rehab variously OD'ed, were arrested for stealing, contracted HIV, turned to prostitution. Along the way dealers, suppliers and smugglers made money on the backs of their addiction and that is the crime.
One may only use "soft" drugs and it is a choice but there are no lines of supply that aren't mixed up with harder drugs and other criminal activities, unless you are growing your own.

Anonymous said...

any details on how to report suspected dealers might be good information to share, I see a lot of quick visits to a property. Even dealings with teens on bicycles on the street to what appears to be a dial a deal setup.

Anonymous said...

Don't interrupt with the harmless dealing of products between acquaintances, please. They're not in your way.

Anonymous said...

"the harmless dealing of products"

Re-read anonymous' post at 16:37, duckhead.

Not harmless, not legal, glad this has happened, the end.

jerry l said...

Anon@17.03 how do you know it's harmless? My cousin, who was very happy and outgoing as a child, committed suicide in her 20s after cannabis use that led on to psychosis and depression. Most people know someone who has ruined their own life (and the lives of those around them) by drug use.

Anonymous said...

Banning things because they can be used in excess is what they do in places like China and Saudi Arabia. How quickly we forget this when spoonfed our opinions from the Daily Express.

Thomas said...

@ Jerry I - Rather simplistic to place someone's death on the use of cannabis. I'm sure there were many other unfortunate variables involved; putting it down to that isn't going to help anyone.

It's interesting the quote at the end from the police, I'm used the "drugs harm communities etc.." but they just refer to drug dealing, which I do agree with. Arresting every one who sells some drug though isn't going to do anything to help anyone or anything.

Dekanube said...

Dear polly .... Please do report it. The police told me it takes months of information gathering to build a case against these folk so every time it happens send them an email (it will be anonymous if you want) and just give them info, time,people descriptions etc.... I complained a few times about a shop on brockley cross and it is now closed.... Obviously I couldn't complain for each incident I saw as that would have been a full time job :)

Check out the web forms for more info or have a chat to the community coppers walking the beat.

Good luck

Anonymous said...

Excellent. Well done the police and anyone else involved.
Drive it out of our area!

Anonymous said...

Drive it back in.

Obvious really said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/16/drugs-politics-not-drugs-policy-inquiry

By the way, nothing is "harmless" but the simple, unavoidable and demonstrable truth is that for every death or injury caused by one person taking (by choice) a substance in their own body there are millions who are fine. Most grow out of it. OD, prostitustion, HIV, stealing is largely caused because drugs are illegal. How many people with chronic pain who are prescribed Morphine get into trouble? Same drug, different way of getting it.

It's a tired old comparison but wold you advocate the state telling you you can't take alcohol because it causes the long list of alcohol related illnesses and is far more LIKLEY to cause you to act violently toward others? (Something canabis or heroin is unlikely to do?) tax appropriately, sell it with controls and remove the criminals from the supply and production. Jumping out of capsules at the edge of space and rock climbing without a rope are dangerous, they have families for god sake! They also make choices about the risks THEY want to take with THEIR own bodies. Decriminalisation is right in principle and actually will reduce the total harm.

Anonymous said...

The article states Class A drugs...

Mexico's drug cartels target journalists in brutal killing spree

Scores of journalists have died in a country gripped by violence that has claimed an estimated 60,000 lives since 2006.


"The government and authorities are ceding territory to the cartels and, for the cartels to take territory, three things have to happen," says O'Connor. "One is to control the institutions with guns – basically, the police. The second is to control political power. And, for the first two to be effective, you have to control the press.

Yeah, the cartels are going to go legit.

Mb said...

Who would they sell too? The reason why they are so rich is that users and addicts in the west pay vast amounts of money for a plant product that is actually very cheap to produce. Illegality makes it expensive, the cartels want it to remain ilegal and to have sole control. How's that for a paradox?

The cartels are not making billions from canabis because Americans can grow it at home and many stats have essentially legalised it. Al Capone was a murderous thug by cashing in on a drugs illegality. None of this is new.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. So let's legalise the most popular recreationals (weed, MDMA, coke etc) and let people enjoy in moderation if they wish.

Anonymous said...

If only people enjoyed alcohol and tobacco in moderation. But they don't, they get addicted, damage themselves and other people. Pity the poor individual who has to deal with an uncontrolled alcoholic in their life. What choice do they have if someone close to them goes crazy through addiction?

Fact is, some of these drugs ruin peoples lives because of their addictive effects.

Cocaine and Heroin in particular are ruinous and so are many others.

Some drugs are far less troublesome than others (it would be nice if we could swap alcohol for Ecstacy)

Once, there used to be state registered addicts who could get what they needed from a Chemist.

I always thought that was a good idea, treat it as a public health issue.

Sadly, the whole issue of drugs policy has far too many politicians involved.

As for dealers, there is little good that can be said about them. They exploit the addicted and lead them to crime.

A sensible debate about drugs policy would be nice. But I can't see this happening.

There are no votes to be won tinkering with drugs policy. It would take a politician with integrity and conviction to deal with that unpopular issue.

Anonymous said...

There's already a large scale illegal market in countefeit drugs that can be bought over the counter.

So yeah the criminals are going to stop if Class A or other drugs are made legal....duh!

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure the market for speakeasys and brewing ones own hooch dried up after prohibition ended, so... yes

Anonymous said...

No duty-fraud on alcohol and counterfeit spirits are a growing area for criminal activity in this country and booze is relatively cheap, so I cant see criminal gangs stepping aside from the lucrative drugs trade once it's legalised.

Anonymous said...

Bit late to comment maybe, but re Obvious Really's views, one doesn't choose addiction, it is a for many life long disease, and as pointed out above profoundly affects those around the addict who certainly wouldn't have chosen it for their loved one. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Anonymous said...

If Class As were legalised and were available on prescription, I cannot see anyone bothering with dodgy supplies from criminals.

Do people prefer to buy bathtub gin rather than from a supermarket? There is some fraud, but it is not a big thing in the scheme of things.

If it were part of the public health system Class A drugs are hardly going to sprout competing brands like tobacco and alcohol.

I look forward to the time when people suffering from these debilitating addictions can get a prescription for their illness instead of having to deal criminals and become involved in crime.





Anonymous said...

? I don't understand, if class a's only available on prescription to addicts, then there's still gap in the market for crimson to exploit by selling to 1st timers & getting them hooked. Am I missing something?

Anonymous said...

"Do people prefer to buy bathtub gin rather than from a supermarket? "

Sell it from a kooky 'pop-up' in Shoreditch and I reckon I could persuade Nick to buy a jar.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, now you're.marketting it like that I fancy some myself...

Anonymous said...

Here you go....

The dangers of home made Vodka.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-killed-after-explosion-at-suspected-183196

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