The Upper Brockley Road three to remain closed until 2013

The police say:

Lewisham Police and Lewisham Council were successful in their application to Bromley Magistrates Court for three premises on Upper Brockley Road to remain closed for a further three months.

Supercuts, the Honey Pot and Gold Crest will remain closed following numerous allegations of disorder, nuisance and anti social behaviour to surrounding neighbours and members of the public.

On 01.08.12 using closure powers under part 1A, Section 11A of the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003 Brockley Safer Neighbourhoods Team and Lewisham Borough Crime Reduction Service had successfully applied at the time to have Supercuts, the Honey Pot and Gold Crest closed for three months, but today's ruling means that all three premises will now be closed till the 25th January 2013.

The closure is as a result of numerous repeated incidents recorded including, drug taking, disorder and anti social behaviour.

Police Sergeant Jon Biddle, Brockley Safer Neighbourhoods Team:

"Since the initial closure orders were granted back in August we have seen a significant reduction in the number of complaints of anti social behaviour in this area. The majority of residents fully support the action that we have taken, this closure is part of our ongoing commitment to combat anti social behaviour and the drugs misuse associated with these three premises. With the properties now being closed for a further three months I hope the residents can continue to enjoy the peace and quiet they deserve.”

59 comments:

Len said...

Councillor Johnson made that happen.

Anonymous said...

Feel a bit sorry for poor restaurant still open in the middle of the 3 boarded up. Let's give them extra business if we can.

TheOracle said...

Johnson is a local councillor but he is also a London Assembly member and deputy chair. He has very little time for Lewisham.
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Anonymous said...

That restaurant does a very good Goan Fish curry.

Anonymous said...

This sends out the right signals. Shops are not block parties.

Anonymous said...

Woooohooo, well done to the local police.

(And yes, Cinnamon is an ok place!)

White riot said...

This is an absolute scandal!! I've talked to the owners of these shops, this is their livelihoods we're talking about, quashed by the usual suspects filling up the inboxes of the local councillors. I live within spitting distance of the parade, and believe me it's not fun having dereliction on your doorstep, it feels like innercity New York in the seventies. But I'm sure the gak head dinner party brigade are having their fun.

Anonymous said...

I miss those shops and the services they provided, frankly.

The Nimby crowd make me sick.

Anonymous said...

And yes I bet they'll be laughing at the dinner tables of Geoffrey Road tonight.

No not really. said...

Tell me, why did these particular three business's get c
Led by the police and not one of the hundreads of similar business's in lewisham? I doubt the cours raced to a few letters. Perhaps the owners should have made sure that there bussinesses were not used as they apparently were. A feeble attempt at attaching any other significance to the issue.

You said you've spoken to the owners who can't see the issue, have you spoken to the people who live near there? Most did have an issue. That's all.

No said...

The cours shut it on the recommendation of the police. Try again

Online Drugs said...

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Brockley Nick said...

Ah, how I enjoy these three-monthly bouts of conspiracy theory.

And @Online Drugs, very good, I nearly deleted that as spam.

Anonymous said...

Businesses? I thought whatever businesses there were defunct years ago and they had since been squatted by a bunch of drug dealers.

Robert said...

Not sure what the residents of Geoffrey Road have to do with this.

Pete said...

I really enjoy the fantasies about the middle class coke fuelled dinner parties. We're in Brockley, not Notting Hill.

TheManorMilitia said...

It is not just the residents of Geoffrey road - but EVERY road.

I do not want to see people lose their businesses but when that business creates problems for neighbours then tough.

The owners of these shops were given fair warning to get some control over the drug issue and men hanging about and the anti-social behaviour that accompanied them. It was no joke.

Anonymous said...

It's about time that this kind of stuff wasn't tolerated anymore ...

Anonymous said...

"I really enjoy the fantasies about the middle class coke fuelled dinner parties. We're in Brockley, not Notting Hill."

It's also not the 80's. Coke is cheap as chips these days - hardly just the preserve of the middle classes. I've long since given all that up but even my last dealer was a scaffolder....

BrocklyB said...

best news I've heard in 3 months

Anonymous said...

@Pete

You're obviously going to the wrong dinner parties. I've had more coke fuelled nights in Brockley than anywhere else I've lived before.

Anonymous said...

And me. The conservation area really can't get enough of the stuff.

Bout 70 a gram these days I believe.

Anonymous said...

70? Man, they saw you coming.

old stoner said...

Can someone point out the drug hotspots in Ladywell please - I'd love an ounce of afghan black - is it still about £12?

Anonymous said...

"squatted by a bunch of drug dealers."

anon do you even live in this neighbourhood?

Certainly the honeypot was a thriving legitimate business that turned out fantastic food at reasonable prices and is much missed locally........

not that your entirely uninformed prejudiced opinion isn't contributing to the discussion......

Anonymous said...

well I actually live there and I can say "squatted by a bunch of drug dealers" is very much nearer the truth than "thriving legitimate business"

Anonymous said...

well if squatting drug dealers can serve up such consistently delicious good value tucker and cater to all your plumbing needs then perhaps we need more of them!......

White Riot said...

@No Not Really

I used to speak to my neighbours about this, until they cold shouldered me after I refused to join their pressure group to get the shops shut down. Some of the things they used to say were ridiculous and extremely prejudiced. Their fantasy is to have a parade of a Starbucks and Patisserie Valerie's, regardless of reality. Anyway, it's a tale of two Brockleys.

Michelin said...

Look at Gordon Ramsey, he must have a snout full of the white stuff, why do you think he's so aggro and tetchy, good chef though. Some of my best cooking has been done mashed out of my box. What do we want? More squatting dealing plumbing chefs! When so we want them? Now!

Anonymous said...

strong bread flour, thats what that is

Anonymous said...

Glad to hear. Totally behind the police on this.

Anonymous said...

That plumbing business went belly up years ago.

Look it up.

The takeaway, seemed rather special in that it attracted armed men and shootings incidents.

A dispute over a recipe for a tasty snack, perhaps?



Anonymous said...

The plumbing business is still in operation only out of the back of a van without access to tools and equipment - I don't need to look this up as I TALK to the people in this neighbourhood.

The honeypot attracted many people from our community who enjoyed the delicious food.

There were problems in this area, caused by a small minority who were hostile or had bad intentions - gun crime in particular should obviously be taken very very seriously - but it is really frustrating to hear people polarising this argument by making such absurd comments about these business's. Certainly in the case of the plumbing shop I think the owner was just a little naive in allowing people into his premises in good faith and through their misbehaviour he has been brought into disrepute.

Anonymous said...

Lots of dog whistling on this thread. Feels like I'm at Crufts.

Anonymous said...

I second the opening of Starbucks...
Good idea!

Anonymous said...

What does 'dog whistles' mean exactly? Is it some dodgy American analogy?

Anonymous said...

It means that Anonymous 09.57 thinks people are being racist. Which is horseshit but he is clearly desperate to prove how 'right on' he is...

Anonymous said...

GOLDCREST BUILDING & DOMESTIC SERVICES

Dissolved 1996

Anonymous said...

I believe dogwhistle politics refers to the sort of issues that social conservatives like to get worked up about:

Bogus asylum seekers, drugs, crime rate, teenage pregnancies, social security fraud.

The image is a minister blows a dog whistle by raising some issue at a conference and all of their supporter come running wagging their tails.

To my mind social liberals have a similar set of emotional reflexes as well.

On web sites like this, the trolls use such patronizing observations to close down any discussion of which they disapprove.

Anonymous said...

Look at the other thread on A&E closures, that is a dog whistle in action.

The public are fed political issues like dog biscuits.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - no. You are referring to hot button issues. This is the definition of dog whistle politics:

"Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup."

Typically, it refers to coded racism. For example, a racist local politician might campaign against the proliferation of chicken shops in an area, when what they really mean (and are understood to mean by other racists) is that they don't like black people moving in to an area, because fried chicken is often associated with Afro-Caribbeans. Like a dog whistle, it's a way of sending a message, that only some can detect (non-racists can't hear the code, or at least, can't prove that it was a racist code).

However, the problem with the term is that it gets abused. Because there is often a perfectly legitimate argument to be had. For example, it is possible not to be motivated by racism, but still to be unhappy that fried chicken shops are the only choice on the high street and / or with the resulting chicken bones that get dropped on the streets.

In this case, you don't have to be racist not to want drug dealers firing weapons outside your front door.

Anonymous said...

Aside from the issue of whether we support the closures or not, how is this temporary closure going to help matters? Surely if this alleged anti-social behaviour is going on they should be shut permanently, and if not they should be allowed to get on with their business? Can someone explain the purpose of a temporary closure please.

Sorry if I'm being thick, and for not adding anything to the debate going on above, which is well reasoned and logically argued on both sides.

Anonymous said...

I believe the dog whistle referred to the appearance of 'undesirables'

There was a fair bit of it about following the new year party about people "coming in from away"

It's there when you know what to look for, but like all good dog whistles, easily refuted.

Anonymous said...

Aha!

Dog whistle in terms of one of those whistles you blow that have such a high note that only dogs can hear it?

I never knew racist people were capable of such subtlety. I thought they usually just shouted at their dogs 'Get him Tyson!', never seen a dog whistle.

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

An example in US politics would be a politician saying something like "I believe science should take its rightful place in education" - means something to both those who do and don't want science taking a part in their kids lives.

In Brockley parlance, when people talk about undesirables, chicken, takeaways, weed smoking, then that's their dog whistle.

Rik said...

Yeah man. Anyone who doesn't like drug dealers is a racist! Right kids?!

Are you 15?

Anonymous said...

"when people talk about undesirables, chicken, takeaways, weed smoking, then that's their dog whistle."

So what you're saying is all black people are undesirable weed smoking, takeaway chicken eaters?

Gotcha.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick Said "In this case, you don't have to be racist not to want drug dealers firing weapons outside your front door. "

Straw mung argument. You're implying that people who deal drugs fire weapons when the vast majority of such incidents aren't linked.

Anonymous said...

You're right. Drug dealers are much more likely to stab you.

Anonymous said...

So drug dealing and weapon firing went on, just it wasn't the same people?

Clutching at straws much?

Anonymous said...

Most drug 'dealers' I know have nothing to do with any sorts of illegal activities. They grow and sell, like like the folks at the deli.

Anonymous said...

Good for you. I know some dealers who sell stuff you can't just grow and would stab your lovely mates up for looking at them wrong.

Brockley Nick said...

"Straw mung argument. You're implying that people who deal drugs fire weapons"

No straw man, no implications. It's what actually happened in this case, twice, which is one of the many reasons this action was taken.

"when the vast majority of such incidents aren't linked."

I'll leave you and your common room mates to debate hypotheticals. I was dealing with the facts of this case.

mike said...

excellent - well done Sergeant Jon Biddle and the team. they are really making a difference around here and it is greatly appreciated.

Anonymous said...

They sure are making a difference. It's certainly getting more boring. I thought we were living in a city? Instead I feel like I'm trapped in an episode of The Archers.

Anonymous said...

I guess you would prefer an episode of "The Wire".

Those here who remember how Brockley was in years past are quite keen that the mayhem never returns.

I guess the students from some prosperous suburb looking to 'slum it' in inner city London might be a bit disappointed with Brockley.

Maybe you would prefer to live in Camden or Peckham where there is a bit more drug fueled excitement.

Anonymous said...

What new year party, dog whistle detector?

Anonymous said...

The Nimby Mung Alliance are fast becoming the dominant local party.

Bob said...

Yeah, brilliant news!! Hopefully some proper businesses will go into the shops that don't make local residents life a living hell and actually want to get on with their fellow human beings.

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