ELL 2013 timetable published

Reader Robbie points out that the new Overground timetables are out for 2013, with the last train south from Canada Water still leaving before midnight (23:56). He writes:

I noticed that the Overground timetables for next year are online and Crystal Palace trains are now terminating at Dalston Junction, which is a shame.

If there are any other noteworthy details about this timetable, please post them below.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm sure I looked at this and it was the West Croydon trains terminating at West Croydon. But think about it, The Clapham Junction trains had to go to Highbury & Islington to complete the loop.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget Lewisham trains run from London Bridge up to 00:56 - go home via Real Brockley and reap the benefits.

Anonymous said...

They need to increase the peak frequencies before someone falls onto the tracks due to overcrowding...

Robbie said...

There's better off-peak frequency as well - I think there's a few more trains after 9.

darryl said...

It's a problem across the London Overground - on Sundays, the last train from Camden towards Stratford is at 10.07pm. And it stays that way in the new timetable.

Jo Jo said...

Do we get less trains to Brockley now the line goes to Clapham Junction? It's every 10mins then 5 mins now. Is this better or worse than before? Genuine question, I normally cycle and only get the ELL once every couple of weeks. Need to know whether it makes more sense to go to London Bridge now?

michael said...

The last train is really at 00:31 from Canada Water, providing a connection at New Cross Gate to the last Southern service.

I would prefer they ran later trains, but they have at least included these trains to New Cross Gate.

There is serious talk of 5 carriage trains in the next couple of years, which will help to reduce overcrowding, or at least reduce the rate of increase of overcrowding.

Anonymous said...

Looks to me like frequency is the same 5, then 10 then 5 then 10 etc.

And it's West Croydon to Dalston, Crystal Palace to Highbury and Islington.

Could have been much worse. Also don't forget the "real Brockley" route is to go from Crofton Park to Peckham Rye and get on there...

Anonymous said...

Im trying to stop using Brockley to get into town during the morning rush hour.

The trains seem really really busy in the mornings and as soon as one is cancelled or delayed I find it's near impossible to get on one.

I've started to use Nunhead as an alternative as im luckily equal distance from both

Anonymous said...

Well they need to sort out the interchange at Canada Water then. One escalator down gets instantly bunged up. It's horrible in the rush hour.

Lou Baker said...

They are planning to make the trains 5 carriages - but don't expect it to solve the overcrowding problem for long.

This is why some of us objected so strongly to the way the Overground was done in the first place.

You have a supposedly 'new' railway which is full to capacity within 8 years. Which is mad.

That's when you'll start seeing suggestions raised to release capacity by axing London Bridge trains from Brockley.

You've all whined at me for years but I'm gradually being proved right.

Anonymous said...

bloody hell fire, I'm trolling a thread about train timetables . . .

Bakerloo said...

It's amazing all these people who are using the ELL because its rubbish. Even using it RATHER than Southern. Perhaps because people find it useful, complaining about an additional service from brockley because its popular is a little odd, Brockley now shifts far more people than it did before the ELL. It's a far more important and useful transport option. You, HH and Tamsin are a small minority who long for the days when you could get an occasional train to Charing Cross and would swap the ELL for that.

Fattyfattybumbum said...

I reckon that we will possibly struggle to access our Brockley trains at rush hour from Canada Water once the new Clapham line opens.

Currently it is often impossible to board the West Croydon line at Canada Water as its mobbed at rush hour and the Crystal Palace line is very busy.

Once people using the new Clapham line who work in the city start using Shoreditch station to get to/from work, there will potentially be less space for us to board West Croydon/CP trains, as these new travellers pack them out on their way to Surrey Quays to wait for their Clapham services.

Anyone else think this will be an issue? Hope I am worrying about nothing but the service is already horrendously uncomfortable when I come home 6-6.30.

Anonymous said...

Why would people travelling from Shoreditch to Clapham Junction change at Surrey Quays? Wouldn't they just get on the direct train to CJ?

Anonymous said...

I'd bet that most people actually prefer to get on the first train and then change further down the line where they are forced to, thereby literally and psychologically breaking up the journey. Obviously the best place to change would be somewhere warm and underground (say CW) but many will hang on to SQ until they are forced to change.

It's the same psychology that makes people wanting to reach a destination across and down the street cross over the street first before walking down the destination-side of the street until they arrive.

Anonymous said...

But if they're more likely to get a seat on the CJ service at Shoreditch, wouldn't they rather wait for that train? Why would they choose a non-CJ service then change to a CJ train which might be fuller than if they'd got on it at Shoreditch?

Don't most people prefer to make themselves comfortable on one train for the entire journey, rather than needlessly change trains? They don't gain any time by changing trains, as all the services come down the same line.

If I'm coming home from a station north of Surry Quays and the first train is the New Cross service, I don't get that and change at SQ; I wait for the next Sydenham branch service. The trains get fuller as they go along, so you're more likely to get a seat (or at least a comfortable standing spot) at the station you board at.

And even if they did change to a CJ service, they'd do so before CW because so many people get on there from the Jubilee line.

Anonymous said...

You're forgetting that people don't always think rationally. Remember we're talking about people from Clapham here!

Anonymous said...

TFL like to get you on the trains rather than platforms, so might tell you get on a shoreditch and then change later on. And I dont know if you're more likely to get a seat at shoreditch or surrey quays.

Re the busy escalator: the trick is still to get on the front of the train at Brockley, then at SQ yoo get off, get on the empty escalator up to ticket hall, then walk 10m and come down the empty escalator to front of jubilee line train where you're more likely to get on anyway.

Anonymous said...

Surely it's still better than back in the day when all trains went to Charing X, but there were only a grand total of 3 an hour and no loop service to CJ & Victoria. Plus the people like us who used to come over from what is definitely East Dulwich to get on at Forest Hill clogging up services because there were no bus links to East Dulwich or Peckham Rye stations from the Goodrich/Overhill Road area.

Tamsin said...

Amused by FFBB's fears for being crowded out by folk from Clapham - very similar to the point which I and Lou were so decried for making about the ELL when first mooted - that while undoubtedly for the greater good of SE London as a whole it was not the improvement for everyone that it was hyped up as. NXG and NX had been quite happy as termini for the old service - empty trains and a wide choice.

I really, really hope they don't cut back the service to London Bridge still more. It is bad enough now with a twenty minute wait if you just miss one. And, unjoined up thinking, the Number 21 bus which is a viable alternative for those in New Cross and Telegraph Hill, does not come up to the station concourse any more but has the closest stop a fairly significant walk away.

And please, JoJo, "fewer" trains. "Less train" is when they reduce the number of carriages!

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