Break-ins: The Waves

Burglaries in Brockley seem to come in waves. Certainly, the emails we get about burglaries do. And from this limited data, it appears we may be in the middle of another one at the moment.

On the Brockley forum, Drew writes:

We've just been burgled and there's been a bunch of others similar around here in the last few weeks.

We've also had an email from BCer BrockersBlue, who says:

Thought I'd get in touch to highlight a recent increase in burglaries in the area. Friends of ours from Tressilian Rd told us about their neighbours being burgled. Then, a house near us on Tyrwhitt Rd was burgled the following day. Both of these were during the day. 

I spoke to the police dealing with the burglary on Tyrwhitt Rd, and they said that for the last few years, Brockley has been a huge target in the lead up to Christmas. They said (and I quote) "without trying to cause panic, Brockley is being targeted at the moment, so please be extra vigilant and step up security where possible."

BC reports this because it would seem remiss of us to do otherwise. Keep em peeled, etc.

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Has anyone worked out what "Be vigilant" actually means?

It always gives off an air of "think you're doing something when you're actually doing nothing"

Anonymous said...

top flat at the tea factory got burgled during the day somehow, and my friend had phone and wallet robbed on Harefield Road.

Adam said...

our flat on Tressillian Rd was done 3 weeks ago at midday on a Friday so we were advised to cut back all bushes etc which people can hide behind as they come in through the windows etc. I suppose this and making sure nothing is available is what Be Vigilant means

Ed CCTV said...

They kicked the door down once inside the tea factory as I recall but DPS have altered the security arrangements now. Police apparently said the BX area is a buglary hot spot...

CCTV for BX anyone?

p.s. I love Orwell, Huxley et al too but get real.

Anonymous said...

I was burgled a couple of months ago during the night. I was asleep and slept through it, thank god, but they jimmied open a back window. So put on window locks people! I live in Braxfield Rd.

Brockley Nick said...

"CCTV for BX?" No thanks. And the evidence is that burglaries are pretty evenly dispersed across Brockley, so why not CCTV every street?

Anonymous said...

3 break-ins in Tyrwhitt in the last 2 weeks. All thru' the front door I believe. And all properties with high bushes.

Anonymous said...

The Waves? or the newly released and IMBY?

Ed CCTV said...

The gang violence including firearms offences has focused on BX and the station/BX has the largest footfall for ASB, flashing, assaults and muggings etc. It is the major local junction and traffic offences, rage incidents and pedestrian 'collisions' would be covered.

I live here btw, in BX, not in the conservation area, and am made to feel unsafe on probably a monthly basis.

The station/BX needs CCTV which would cover incidents such as the periodic Barge violence and drug meetings/intimidation near the station.

I doubt we'll get it before someone (not in gang) is killed or raped.

p.s. I am against the gratuitous use of CCTV and do not seek to antagonise.

p.p.s. You'll note that my Ed CPZ posts were ineffective so abusive messages of disagreement are not necessary.

Captain Perspective said...

The problem with suggesting CCTV is that even though it's a good idea (helping catch a voilent mugger a couple of weeks ago), mungo types see it as an affront to civil liberties - they believe that someone's genuinly interested in watching where they buy their mung beans (presumably they like to announce this themselves). You can see these types of responses above.

local yokel said...

If Drew saw the guy then a description might help with the vigilance.

Brockley Nick said...

"The gang violence including firearms offences has focused on BX"

Not recently. The police raids earlier in the year, coupled with the layout improvements and departure of the van company that made it look like the wild west have made the place much quieter and dare I say "normal".


"and the station/BX has the largest footfall for ASB, flashing, assaults and muggings etc."

Not sure if I understand this point, but I don't believe the stats bear this out. Happy for you to provide a link that proves otherwise.

"It is the major local junction and traffic offences, rage incidents and pedestrian 'collisions' would be covered."

It's a small roundabout, albeit I agree that it's a busy intersection.

"I live here btw, in BX,"

So do I.

"and am made to feel unsafe on probably a monthly basis."

I'm not.

"The station/BX needs CCTV which would cover incidents such as the periodic Barge violence and drug meetings/intimidation near the station."

How would CCTV at Brockley Cross help with a fight at the Barge? Or at the Station? You want CCTV all over the centre of Brockley?

"p.s. I am against the gratuitous use of CCTV and do not seek to antagonise."

Me too. I happen to think it would be wholly counterproductive.

Brockley Nick said...

@CP - my objections are nothing to do with civil liberties. But thank you for your "perspective"

andrew ford lyons said...

We got hit just last night. Saw the fellow run out of our flat with my wife's bag and two of our laptops as we approached. I lost him at around Pendrall Road when he either ducked into a car I saw leaving, or got over the fence into one of the gardens nearby. He did seem to know the area all right, though.

david said...

Our flat was broken into this time last year; I think there's a lot of truth in the seasonal theory - it's dark early, people are likely to be back that little bit later either due to festive drinks or Christmas shopping, there might be a stash of (electronic-based) presents to pinch on top of the regular stuff. It's horrible being broken into. I'll be taking extra precautions this year.

lozza said...

i was broken into 10/11/12 on revelon during the day time and was told, when police arrived there were loads that day, very nervous now about leaving the house.

Welcome to 2012 said...

Hmmm, Braxfield, Pendrall, Harefield, Tressillian, Trywhitt...

Ed, I don't know why you are trying to turn this in to a BX issue.

Welcome to 2012 said...

Revelon too. Going to need a lot of CCTV cameras...

Pete said...

A few weeks ago there was a spate of shop burglaries in Ladywell. One the newsagents got robbed (tobacco all gone) and then Ladywell food and wine got robbed, also for tobacco.

There are obviously some scummy people in the area.

Anonymous said...

I had my bag stolen and sustained some nasty head and face injuries (broken cheekbones, fractured eye socket, bruised eyeball etc) on tressillian a couple of weeks ago. Police say there's a spate of muggings in the area at the moment-and it looks like whoever robbed me had been loitering, waiting for a lone female to happen along. Without wishing to put the wind up anybody, I would advise being extremely cautious while you're out and about and definitely tool up with a personal safety alarm if you haven't already got one. Apols if this is off topic-posted without prejudice, and to try to avoid anybody else having to go through what I did. Stay safe one and all!

Anonymous said...

I'm more concerned by violent muggings than burglary, upsetting as being broken into must be. Particularly horrified to hear of anon at 15.56's awful experience. It seems if you can be bothered to scratch the surface there is a lot of crime in our neighbourhood.

Anonymous said...

"such as the periodic Barge violence"

Be interested to see the stats on the 'periodic' nature of 'Barge violence'. So would Tim.

Ed CCTV said...

It must be the feeling of being unsafe in BX (groups of cylists on pavements, men blocking the pavement outside the barbers or shops, luxury blacked out cars meeting at night on coulgate street, unleashed bull terriers etc.) that makes me think that CCTV is a good idea for BX. (not looking to do a Woodward style neighbourhood watch)

Since the door of the flat above me was smashed down I can't help thinking CCTV footage of them entering and leaving the building might have been useful. A single camera on the roundabout could cover a large area. Perhaps we need more shootings first?

p.s. I am disabled so unable to run for it if necessary.

Anonymous said...

We also need to stop conflating peaceful drug deals with robbery and violent crime. You're getting more so robbed in a deli than by a local selling recreationals at near-cost.

Anonymous said...

Police were walking the street a few days back. I actually saw a guy going around the back of a house and tried to call the officer. Ended up chasing her down the street before i could get her attention. After she called back up she told me police were patrolling as there is a spate of burlgaries here at the moment.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon1908 - I didn't conflate anything with anything. I pointed out that since Nat's was raided and closed down, BX is no longer a hang-out for gangs and drug dealers, meaning that the traditional summer shootings and gang fights didn't happen.

Coincidence, I'm sure.

Anonymous said...

Have you not had a bit of smokeable fare in your time then Nick? Maybe as a student?

Anonymous said...

We're also on Braxfield Road & had a break in last weekend, police informed us that a few houses on our road had been broken into recently. It appears that they managed to slip the lock on the front door before doing the same to the flat downstairs & then resorted to kicking in the door to our flat when they couldn't get through the double lock. We were advised by the police to double lock the front door even when we're home.

Anonymous said...

If this is so widespread and common at the mo, why don't the police do more? I'd like to see yellow witness boards around the streets. At least the burglars/muggers would know something is being done.

Anonymous said...

Telegraph Hill is similarly affected at the moment - two burglaries this week at the top end of Pepys Road, and another that I know of on Erlanger just across the park. Doors kicked in.

Charlie said...

OH MY GOD...this thread. What is going on round here.

Brockley Nick said...

It's a big area and this site has a lot of readers. Don't have nightmares.

Anonymous said...

Did you ever inhale, Nick?

Chris said...

I live on the Brockley end of Malpas road and about three months ago there were 4 known reported break ins on my road. Garden jumping.

Headhunter said...

A flat in our building on Manor Ave was broken into in Dec 2010, they came through the side gate and then forced the bathroom window open.... Whenever I go away for any length of time I always wonder if I'll come back to find that the flat or shed have been broken into but so far I've been lucky...

Anonymous said...

Perspective

63 reported burglaries within 1 mile of SE4 in October.
74 within a mile of SE14
64 in SE15
45 in SE22
70 in SE23
61 in SE6
45 in SE13

of course there will be some overlap in these figures as all postcodes are neighbour SE4 so are within a mile of each other but pretty sure what we are seeing is in line with London average rather than a crime wave.

say what you like about the filthy scroats but it is a seasonal tradition to see a spike in burglaries before christmas. They are getting into the christmas spirit in their own special way. Not a reason to install cctv though!

Anonymous said...

Definitely a reason to install CCTV.

Veggie Nick and others: what do you have against it?

Anonymous said...

I think some people imagine that there is a team of watchful guardians constantly manning CCTV camera, ready to call upon the forces of law and order should they observe any crime.

Nope.

Too expensive. People cost money. The cameras cost money. Post-crime investigations cost a great deal of money. Do the maths.

The cash is better spent by the police catching villains. They generally have a record. The usual suspects. Standard detective work and policing should deal with it.

CCTV does not prevent much crime, it just gives that impression because of the massive resources put into high profile cases.

You can always install your own CCTV. The kits are quite cheap now.

newcrossroadie said...

Just to add to this thread of being robbed - there's a scammer bloke (probably late 40s/50s, white, calling himself Gavin) pretending to be a window cleaner doing the rounds (on Arica Rd today). I foolishly fell for it, him catching me at just the right moment in the morning when I would take a stupid decision to hand over a tenner. Well that and me being a complete an utter idiot for believing him (the shame is consuming me today). So anyway, if he comes to your house, please take a photo of him and shop him to the police.

little said...

We were burgled recently (Lewisham way) which prompted me to install an alarm.
As I was surprised not to find any previous mentions of local alarm companies on this site, I thought I should post a couple of recommendations, not quite SE4 companies, but as near as it gets it seems:

http://www.classic-security.com/
http://www.churchillsecuritysystems.com/

david said...

Anon@1216, whilst I'm on the fence re CCTV and your point about there not being a monitored control hub are correct, when got "done" last year the police said the chances of catching the burglars were mininal. Sure, they could probably have taken a guess at the culprit proving it would be nigh on impossible since they wore gloves and would have already got rid of our stuff. CCTV would, if nothing else, provide evidence (provided you could see their faces) but it sounded to me like the only real way to get a conviction would be to catch them in the act.

Aricana said...

@ newcrossroadie said... 12:34

I live on Arica Road and think this guy came round last week too, but thankfully we already have a window cleaner.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what happened on Aspinall Road? 2 policemen still stood outside now since early evening yesterday? Was it a burglary?

MagicGeoff said...
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Mezzer said...

I think the lock you're referring to in point one is a Yale WS1 Sash Window lock. Like this:

http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/Products/Locks_Latches_and_Security/Door_and_Window_Security/1339/Yale_WS1_Sash_Window_Stop/653521

MagicGeoff said...

Mezzer - yes, those are the babies! Cheers.

Anonymous said...

A policeman came round tonight to tell us there'd been an attempted break in today (on Revelon Road) and to keep an eye out.
Slightly worrying but good to see the police out and about and aware of the situation.

Anonymous said...

The Barge has had CCTV for years.

There to discourage the drug dealing that was commonplace and led to the demise of its previous incarnation as the Breakspears Arms.

It remains a popular meeting place for our local community criminals. Not that it proved to be much of deterrent to prevent the latest incident of ugly violence.

hrew said...

We have been burgled twice in the past 6 weeks and just scared off a third attempt by shouting at the c&*t who broke my front window while I was in bed.

I have lived on Malpas Road for 13 years and never had any trouble like this but according to police several prolific burglars were released from prison around Christmas and the burglary rate has soared since then.

This is cause for concern and sheds light on the bigger picture. Burglars aren't all desperate crack heads. Many are career criminals who can clear £100,000 a year and risk no more than a few months inside at worst if caught. This isn't the police's fault. They share the frustration as it's their time put into catching the burglars but they know that the deterrent of prison and lack of rehabilitation is not working.

That cottage in the country is looking more attractive each day..

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