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This is brilliant news. The ELL is so convenient, but they really need to introduce trains on a more frequent basis.
Great news - finally linking Brockley up with honest London.Now why is it taking 28 minutes to cover that small a space?
It's not long to Clapham High Street - less than 15 mins. It's the leg from Wandsworth Road to Clapham Jn that adds around 10 mins to the time.
Blimey. Can something be done about that? Could they put their feet down a bit once the service is up and running?
Good news, I will be using this line frequently (just wish they had included brixton in the route, for easy change to the victoria line although I think that would have meant building a new platform or station)
Clapham High St is pretty much Brixton - it is the Ladywell to their Brockley, so to speak. A good enough interchange for all but those who complain of "schleps"
I'm with Lou on this one
Thanks anon.A seriously flawed project. As you're all about to find out.
Could you please tell us why it's seriously flawed ? What's to gain from the air of secrecy ?
Slow and one train every 25 minutes presumably. Not very tube like!
Says here 4 trains an hour.
Such a shame, the ELL is a overcrowded cattle truck.Needs bigger and more frequent trains.
Sorry - meant one train every 15 minutes - which still isn't entirely tube-like
Residents along the route get a much less good deal than Brockley got. We got an additional 8 trains per hour, on top of overland services. They are getting a substitute service, with only 4 trains TPH.Still, nice for us to have the extra link!
I thought the frequency of the services from Brockley and NXG to London Bridge had been cut back after the introduction of the extended ELL...
@anon 1712I have spent 3 years explaining why it's flawed on numerous threads. And everyone shouts me down and abuses me. They're all victims of TFL's PR spin.
3 years telling everyone that they're not really finding the ELL useful. Dedication!
It's crowded because lots of people use it, presumably because they find it useful. PR spin? "Here's a train service use it if you like" your argument has been shunted into a siding and has a family of foxes living in the drivers cab.
@mbThe Overground is used because it's there. It does not mean it's as good as it could or should be. You work on the railways so, clearly, you'll have zero comprehension of the problems.The failure of the Overground project is that it was too unambitious. No significant new interchanges, no significant new infrastructure, WORSE services to less convenient destinations from some stations on ELL2, route shared with multiple services to multiple destinations, short platforms, inability to significantly expand capacity.The ELL is just a very shortsighted project that won't be fit for purpose within just a handful of years. That's an incredibly short timescale for a railway. That may satisfy the likes of MB who can't see beyond their next hob nob break but for visionaries like me it is a missed opportunity.
A masterly analysis. Thanks. Not as good as a railway that exists in your imagination, OK I can't really challenge that.
I suspect you are both right.It may not be a Grand Project in the famously ruthless French style (or indeed that of our Victorian forebears). Nonetheless, this service, albeit built by lashing together suburban stations, is effective and has utility. Networks (whether roads, rail, electricity, internet, or whatever), when they are brought into use, have a tendency to humble their designers. You can never predict accurately how the traffic is going to flow. It could so easily change.
Crofton Parkanites can change at Peckham Rye. Hope the timing of the trains have been synched.This is otherwise and excellent service- night-time Clapham is no longer a £25 taxi home...
Lou, I live in New Cross Gate and work near Shoreditch High Street. Before the ELL started it used to be an absolute pain to get to. No it couldn't be easier. How can this be a bad thing? Do you just complain about everything on here because you like the attention you get from it? I like a good whinge myself as well but you definitely take the biscuit.
Not sure why it would have been such a pain - or was the half mile from Whitechapel to Shoreditch High Street too far to walk.At least one could get empty seats with the ELL terminating at NXG.Never saying that it is not a good thing for the area as a whole - but agree with Lou that it is not the unalloyed benefit for everyone that the hype would have had a us believe.And I am pretty sure the anon. who said the the frequency of London Bridge trains has been reduced is right. Don't use them myself but by husband does.
the ELL was the best thing to happen to brockley! shoreditch in 17 mins, croydon in 22, its changed my life for sure.
Don't try going to Haggerston on a Saturday
I wish they had included an interchange at Brixton, I suppose keeping a lid on the budget means they (perhaps shortsightedly) didn't include this. I think someone mentioned previously that there's already on old station (East Brixton?) on the line anyway which possibly could've been reopened. Of course it's possible to walk to the Vic line from Clapham Junc but if you're on PAYG Oyster, you end up paying twice rather than for 1 single journey...
Instead of walking to Brixton just use the Clapham north/ Clapham high st interchange. Then one stop on northern line to stockwell for the vic line. Clapham north/ Clapham high st is an out of station interchange for oyster therefore counts as a single journey on pay as you go
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