Crofton Park Tesco plan rejected

On Twitter, Spencer notifies us that the proposal to turn 437-439 Brockley Road in to a mixed use development with a small Tesco at ground level has been refused.

The buildings that once occupied the site, opposite the Brockley Jack in Crofton Park, have been demolished.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Shame - would've brought something a little more proper to the Brockley high street.

From a self confessed addict of their rotisserie section!

Mezzer said...

Great News! Realy pleased for Jay's Budgen.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully this means Mr Lawrence will backtrack on plans to shut...

Extremely optimistic and highly unlikely I know, but until it closes I refuse to believe it will close!

Anonymous said...

there are planning applications dating back to 2005 for this site - all (except the first) seem to point to an address at Valmar House in Camberwell - also the address of Antic, who own Jam Circus amongst other things.

This information is offered up (not for the first time) without prejudice

Anonymous said...

Let 'em build it FGS.

Anonymous said...

Is there somewhere we can petition for this to be changed so that we may enjoy Tesco value on Brockley streets?

Anonymous said...

careful anon, 15:25, brockley nick will delete that probably

James said...

This is a shame, I know Budgens is great and I'd still use them for some things but when it comes to certain items Tesco is far better value. As nice as local independent stores are, you pay more due to economies of scale and people (myself being one) can't always afford to use independents. Other local shops have a dire range and are so expensively priced.

I'm all for a Tesco to compliment great niche stores such as Mr Lawrence.

Also if there was a local Tesco I'd probably buy more wine from Mr Lawrence rather than waiting and doing a big shop all in one go from a large Tesco and getting my beer and wine in that.

Tressilliana said...

Tesco Metro is not particularly good value, actually. The prices are higher than they are in a big Tesco.

Nisa by Brockley station has a lot of very good deals on staples. I hope they survive the imminent arrival of a small Sainsbury's nearby.

Anonymous said...

Can we Plse get this fact- checked- are Antic Limited and Black Ant, which I notice is currently in administration, actually related, or do they just happen to share an address & similar names? Antic don't do real estate, they run pubs, imo very well in what is a difficult climate for the boozer.

Anonymous said...

Cue a massive hole in the high street for the next few years.

Whoever owns it they shouldnt have demolished it before planning was approved. Shame they can't be made to build something by a certain date or be made to sell rather than keep the site empty until their development succeeds.

Anonymous said...

anon, 17:03 http://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/03400474

Anonymous said...

it's ironic that 'they*' wanted to keep the Copperfield open because the leaseholder wanted to allow a supermarket to locate there and yet 'they*' want to build a supermarket in another location

*naming no names

Molewife said...

I objected to the application, not because of the Tesco (although I didn't really see the point of one given that we already have the Co-Op and Budgens) but because the building proposed was hideous and huge. It would have dwarfed everything around it and it was totally out of keeping with what is currently there.

There has been lots of positive change on Crofton Park high street recently - Mr Lawrence being the exception to that, obviously. We've had Patacakes, Arlo and Moe and the White Room open, and the Barclays has been given a facelift and looks much smarter. What was Celee is being refitted and will apparently be an opticians (according to the builder I asked). It would be great to get something new there, but the building should be an asset to the streetscape and not an eyesore.

Anonymous said...

Yes I already looked at that 18:37, can't see that they have any link other than shared address to Antic and as I said they are in administration anyway, several of their properties are up for auction by the administrators, and Antics co house returns shows from their assets they are pub managers, not realtors. Am I missing something on the opencompanies page?

Anonymous said...

anon, 20:00 http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/906648532

Brockley Nick said...

So they have one director in common. Big whoop.

Anonymous said...

brockley nick have you got a stake in either company because you seem very defensive

Anonymous said...

and if you were a little more inquisitive you would see that is is not only the same director, but the only director. you are one shoddy journalist

Brockley Nick said...

@A2047 - no.

@A2051 - I'm not inquisitive, because I consider it an irrelevance. Don't like the plans? Object to them.

I don't regard this is as a moral issue. It's a not particularly good proposal to replace a building that was marginally worse before. If it goes ahead in some form, it will be a slight improvement, but probably not as much of an improvement as we ought to hope for in this location.

If you think the issue is so important that you should campaign against the pub because of this link, then state the link clearly and explain your reasons - by all means write an article and send it to me.

But the posting of links that don't explain anything and the dark murmurings hinting at nefarious behaviour are very tedious.

If you believe in transparency, act accordingly.

Anonymous said...

the links were posted in response to another comment. its best to deal with FACTS, and this is the only thing that was being established. any thing else is of your own making. i have nothing against antic, i think their pubs are great and in particular brockley rd really misses the presence of jam circus, the street seems sad with out it at the moment.

Westsider said...

Anon i don't get it. The link you posted to says Black Ant is in administration.

Westsider said...

Anon, you could avoid this confusion if you gave yourself a name. Otherwise it sounds like you're the same bloke who started all this stuff - Anon1525.

Anonymous said...

(sigh) i do not believe i am the only person to use anonymous on this blog. so it should not be within the realms of probability and comprehension, that more than one person contributed to this thread using anon. pseudonyms don't really nail things down either westside or indeed the faceless but transparent brockley nick. someone asked if the companies were related in any sense beyond coincidence. i posted the link as an answer. anyway its public info - whats the problem?

Brockley Nick said...

Anon - My personal identity is readily available through this site. Anons talking to each other causes confusion.

Give yourself a name, it's just as easy and doesn't involve you revealing your identity if you're nervous about such things.

Anonymous said...

i don't want to sign in every time i make a comment, this is an irrelevance that you are happy to spend time on. i don't believe anyone uses their literal full name so i am no different to anyone else who comments.

Osh said...

Amazing. You'll go to all that trouble to research companies and directors, find the relevant links and post to them. You'll write long comments, but not bother to spend two seconds to enter a name in the Name/URL box, so that people can follow what you are trying to say. People are funny.

That's fine, but don't complain when no-one understands.

Anonymous said...

i didn't complain, if you don't understand, its your problem. it took a couple of seconds - google black ant and it comes up on first page. people are funny, the put down. its not funny at all, osh(?!)

Osh said...

(sigh).

What comes up?

HOB said...

I Google'd, got a load of GQT bumph on garden pests.
BTW I was the "let's Fact Check" & "yes I've looked but it told me nothing can you help?" Anon but even if you type a name in, on the mobile App on a moving FCC train it can revert your status to Anon, unfortunate, so, in interests of clarity, this is HOB asking: IS there a clear, or indeed dotted line between Black Ant and Antic; should we boycott / tut tut under our breath the latter if the former are financial backers and there is no evidence the latter have influence on the former's real estate decisions; if Black Ant is in administration why are we beating Antic with a stick anyway?
Does anyone have the strength in their fingers to spell it out rather than just posting links to sites I've already looked at which didn't help which is why I posted, Can we Plse get this fact checked???

Anonymous said...

ANTIC and black ant are technically separate companies. the director, the only director is Anthony Thomas for antic, and for black ant, and secretary listed as max alderman again for both. so these two people are the figures at the top of the hierarchy in both. that is the relation. if that is what you are looking for, i don't know but those are the facts anything else is speculative. if black ant is in administration, it may be they, the admin. who are pursuing the tescp proposal as the best way of raising revenue to paying off debts. but administration commenced 2 dec 2012, so that doesn't predate applications. so it would be reasonable to that the two most prominent figures in antic, are precisely the same figures in black ant. as to regards to a matter of boycott, it doesn't seem necessary if the application has been refused. and in any case any future movement by black ant will be orchestrated by admin. not said individuals. all this is clear on the two links.

Barbara said...

The guy from Antic was happy to say he was involved at one of the public meetings on this issue - one of his arguments in favour of getting planning permission was that he had a local business, believed in Crofton Park's parade of shops etc etc. My flat would be towered over by this project and my quiet street would be turned into a lorry entry-way which is why I and lots of others in my street objected. The Tesco bit not the big deal. But their small stores aren't cheap, hence prices in them aren't part of their Tesco Price Promise ... so I don't feel we're "losing" a place for bargains at all.

AliAliAfro said...

Ok, so from what i read in the comments above it sounds as if the same guy(s) who owns Jam Circus did the planning app for the proposed Tesco - not clear if he owns the site or is just involved in the redevelopment side of things. It's an interesting revelation but it doesn't seem underhand in any way. Its nice that developers have successful projects in the area and want to do more.

Its also interesting to hear a contrasting view point: The Jam Circus guy obviously thinks a Tesco would be a net gain to the area - but its easier for him to say that as Jam Circus wouldn't compete with Tesco. Fromn a developers perspective, a property with a tesco in is worth much more than the same property with an independant retailer in - it all comes down to covenant strength of tenant.

Hopefully Blank Ant will consider a different less contraversial scheme to get that hole filled in rather than leaving it for a couple of years hoping that the planners will cave in eventually.

Israel said...

i would do anything for a little waitrose on brockley rd....

Anonymous said...

Build a gym and run it like that new one in Grenwich/Deptford (pure gym?). Everyone's going there at the moment...

Anonymous said...

Good. Widen the road.

Anonymous said...

I think the point is that while Antic are well regarded for their success at turning around dying pubs. Indeed they got a great deal of public support for resisting the freeholders plan to turn the Catford Bridge Tavern into a supermarket.

On the other hand, in Crofton Park we have a company that shares a director with Antic, planning a building that is seen as inappropriate for the area with the intention of turning the lower part into another supermarket.

Hopefully with the demise of this Black Ant company, this curious contradiction will disappear. I would have thought there would be the basis of an interesting article there.

It does leave rather a big hole opposite the Brockley Jack to be filled.

Decent Dinners said...

If ever there was a location for the much-called-for Brockley KFC, that would be it.

Anonymous said...

A deli would be nice.

Anonymous said...

the old buildings should be replaced, brick for brick, at the developers expense, if the demolition was not approved, but Planning won't enforce this.

It's like that old pub on Friendly Street that was 'vandalised' by a developer, the glazed tiles were knocked off - they weren't replaced and the building just looks dreadful (one might almost say dishonest). The council should come down on these idiots like a ton of bricks (pun intended)

Anonymous said...

Yes why haven't the council done something about the old pub on Friendly St? Last I heard the developer was meant to replace the tiles and that was a year or two ago...

Nicky@TWR said...

How's about a garden on the site? haven't we enough Tesco's taking over the world???

Brockley Nick said...

The person who owns the site presumably wants to make money out of it. I'm sure if you offer enough money, they will sell the site to you to create a new garden.

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