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I'm sure I heard him say "I love cheese cake", a view I endorse.
Well I like it...
Check out some of his previous Brockley-referencing rhymes here: http://transpont.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/music-monday-koder.html
Stopped listening after repeated references to women as bitches.
I can't wait for the toothless guy they speak to at the end to release his own material. That man looks like he has some tales to tell
God, cheer up lads.
likewise!
Same.
A real pity that you are sucking up to individuals who are so disparaging about women. Come on, if that is 'irrepressible' then shame on you. BC referring to yourself as 'ourselves' is reminiscent of Thatcher's royal 'we'. Too many words and not enough content however could be apposite.....
I have to agree with those speaking out against some of the content here. A bunch of kids cussing their 'bitches' in front of the Brockley murals (one of which is Maya Angelou ffs!) is not cool.
The eagerness of the London middle classes to unquestioningly embrace anything that reeks a bit of the streets really is pathetic sometimes.
Yes this is awful, it should be a nice string quartet or some guys with acoustic guitars singing about how much they love their girlfriends like those nice Mumford and Sons.
Nope wouldn't want that. Just don't refer to women as bitches.
Well didn't seem to harm Jay-Z one of the biggest artists in the world and friend of Obama, with 99 Problems, sample 'I've got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.'
It is a fair point. In this politically correct world in which we live, why is it ok to video yourself being sexist?
I have a theory but some things are better left unsaid.
What's wrong with being sexy?
how wonderful! the teenage girl who punched me in the face would love this! and so would the guy who called me a 'batty man' as i walked down brockley rd'! and so would the guy who shouted at me down the street to 'bang my girl for him' because she was fit! and the other teenage girls who told me i was 'going to die'! bc nick you are so cool posting this, sick in fact!
The chaps are indulging in a bit of competitive toasting to show their skills as masters of ceremonies at DJ led music parties.
Part of that is exposing the weaknesses of rival MCs and their friends by alluding to their lack of courage and inability to maintain the loyalty of their girlfriends in the face of a clearly more talented challengers to the crown of best MC.
This brand of jocular badinage is probably quite appealing to teenage boys with surplus testosterone and a burning desire to seek the approval of their peers and the unconditional admiration of the opposite sex.
It is sad to reflect that this youthful vitality will soon enough be sapped by the twin burdens of parental responsibility and onerous demands of bread winning.
At the moment they can indulge in this distraction from their schoolbooks and their only worry is to dodge a good maternal ear tweaking if they are not home in time for tea.
I think many of us have been there in one way or another.
Thanks for translation.
Blah Blah .... What about the guy at 7min 55 secs into the video. Brockley MC needs to collaborate with him. Track 1: What happened to my teeth, Track 2: Where I got my nice red hat..
Shouldn't be a problem of itself - in this dialect it is neutral - like the traditional cockney "old man" "old woman" in referring to your spouse had nothing to do with age and was not understood as such. Where it becomes sexist is what is said about them and the general attitude - and that's where this posturing becomes something to deplore, particularly if the lads don't grow out of it - while the Jay-Z song title referred to in another post is rather endearing (don't know about the rest of the lyrics).
God I hate grime, less so than people who pretend to though.
BC should stick to reviewing delis.
It's conversation has been repeated ever since teddy boys started ripping up cinema seats with flick knives. I'm guessing here but I suspect mr Koder and his fans (male and female) are utterly disinterested in what the readers of Brockley central think. i should imagine the fans of Sid Vicious were amused at ted Grundys outrage when they said "f**k" on air. They are now advertising butter and "god save the queen" (and her Facist regime) was played while she watched the Olympic opening ceremony.
Just saying.
Ah well, I see my orgianl bunt post got deleted, presumably because of using the vernacular metaphor for sewage. Which is, when you think of it, ironic. It's OK to post a hate filled, mysogynistic, foul and ant-life piece like this, but tasteless to decribe it as a t~rd.
@rd:disqus
Or, possibly, because of my lousy typing. 'Orgianl bult' is 'original blunt' *sigh*
Jaz-Z wasn't referring to a woman in 99 problems though.Tamsin, the song is about being stopped while smuggling drugs. There's an excellent analysis of the lyrics here:
http://slu.edu/Documents/law/Law%20Journal/Archives/LJ56-2_Mason_Article.pdf
I'd like to know why your post was deleted. Are posts really censored for words like turd????
I've got a theory too. Something about white middle class people finding white middle class stand up comedians funny when they are profane and say things extremely graphic and 'offensive' and say the word bitch, but then when young black men do the same, these people feel threatened and find it unacceptable.
Well, I hear what you're saying, but would you really want to tell a teenage girl hanging round with these boys that she should be happy about being routinely referred to as a bitch? It doesn't send a very good signal. On the radio a while back I heard someone far better qualified than me talking about there being a major issue with young black girls growing up with low self-esteem, being coerced into sexual relationships at an early age, being passed round groups of yound men as a chattel - and this kind of language plays a part, however small, in reinforcing these roles and attitudes.
It was a personal attack (or could be read as such) on the people involved. Personal attacks are not acceptable. As you see, criticism of the content of their lyrics is fine.
The abuse of vulnerable girls is to do with absent parents, poverty, gangs, drugs and other socio-economic factors. Grime is just the latest bête noire in a long line of musical genres from rock n roll, to punk, heavy metal, gangster rap, etc, that is seen as damaging to society. Which is exactly doing its job, because all teenagers want to listen to music that annoys adults.
Glorifying drug use and denigrating women. No thanks.
"Sunday Bloody Sunday. What a great song. It really encapsulates the frustration of a Sunday, doesn't it? You wake up in the morning, you've got to read all the Sunday papers, the kids are running round, you've got to mow the lawn, wash the car, and you just think 'Sunday, bloody Sunday!'."
I keen for Alan's analysis of this song, we may have completely misunderstood.
Debatable - but there you go.
It's not very good, is it?
All the second-wave feminists here need to upgrade to post-feminism, where bitch and slut have been reclaimed.
Can someone teach them how to speak english?
Yes they should be interned until they can speak in RP.
How has the word slut been reclaimed?!
Well in the book The Ethical Slut and in the international movement Slutwalk for starters.
The Ethical Slut, that doesn't sound very honest.
You've rather missed the fundamental point that when words get "reclaimed" like that, the only people that are allowed to use them are the ones they were previously used against.
Ah yes, the Slutwalk protest.
A fine excuse for young women to don hooker outfits and join a masquerade to protest against some some sexist insult by made by a minor police officer in the US. A flash-in-the-pan ironic stunt that amuses the social media generation. It is unlikely to get much traction outside of student groups.
Whether it is successful in reclaiming the word the context of an insult and turning it into a token of feminist solidarity, I have my doubts. The word is also ambiguous, more common in US English.
The record of words reclaimed in this way not impressive, the strongest ones retain their pungency. So they are still used to shock.
Maybe the word 'bitch' is a more likely candidate.
Can feminist activism armed with social media tools wrestle the word bitch from misogynistic rappers?
I am sure that will no doubt emerge as the subject of thesis or two at Goldsmiths. Probably a lot easier than exploring the reasons why these young guys have such a disparaging attitude towards women.
For rappers 'bitch' is synonymous with women, in the same way that for feminists 'bastard' is synonymous with men.
If I saw them hanging around Lions chicken I'd be too scared to go in.
Probably a good thing. A processed chicken habit is not healthy.
Was the person that passed across in front of the camera a yummy mummy with a latte from Browns?
Ghetto.
There are still undesirables living in Brockley?
Yes, most of them use this website.
Somehow I think schoolbooks feature hardly at all in their lives, that the words 'parent' and 'responsibility' will never co-exist for them and the only means of breadwinning they consider worthwhile are illegal. Those are the values of that particular Grime counter culture.
This thread is hilarious, it's like listening to pensioners trying to explain Tumblr.
What an extraordinary and unfounded set of assertions. You might not like the music or the way that these people express themselves, but they are young people trying to make something of themselves.
Noone called Jeremy should be allowed to live in SE4, smh
You tourists really should head back to Clapham
Not sure who is worse, the "indigenous" scumbags or posh twats.
I hate you all.
Jeremy is a "satirical" character, created by another regular poster. I think Indigenous Lewisham Boy is 'serious'
I might be out of the loop, but could anyone tell me what's happening with the murals on the MOT garage opposite Brockley station?
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