Boris: Bakerloo line extension's time has come

The Standard reports:

Boris Johnson today raised hopes of extending the Bakerloo line further into south-east London by describing it as a £2 billion project whose “time has come”. 

The Mayor confirmed his wish to take the line from Elephant and Castle to Camberwell and Peckham and probably overground to Bromley after pressure from Labour-run Southwark council. 

Precise routes have yet to be confirmed and it could take more than a decade to secure funding. [Southwark Council leader] Mr John, who was told by the Mayor that “it’s a deal” when he lobbied him at a property conference in Cannes, said it was important to get the scheme included in Transport for London’s masterplan for 2020. TfL is working with Southwark and Lewisham to examine the potential for the extension “unlocking” other developments. 

Mr Johnson said: “It is the new extension of the Northern line that is making possible the development of Battersea. We can do the same for south-east London.”

There are several possible routes that have been touted, including one that would stop at Brockley Station, as this image posted on South East Central illustrates:

Other possible routes could take the line through Honor Oak or New Cross (to see more discussion about possible routes on the Nunhead forum, click here).

A Bakerloo Line extension is low-hanging fruit for the Mayor and this is a welcome change of rhetoric. Relatively cheap and easy to deliver (by the standards of mass-transit projects), serving an area of enormous economic potential, extending a line that stops short at Elephant & Castle and is therefore unbalanced in terms of passenger volumes. The Bakerloo would fill the gap between Crossrails 1 and 2 and address one of the biggest holes on the London transport map. It will happen.

36 comments:

Michael said...

Given that there was an Act of Parliament way back in the '30s to extend the Bakerloo to Camberwell, I'm not holding my breath, especially given this mayor's record of cutting public transport projects rather than starting them.

Pincott SE4 said...

Hope this happens

Bakerloo said...

While welcome that the Mayor supports the extension of the Bakerloo he has said this before. Worth reading London Reconnections on the subject - http://www.londonreconnections.com/2012/white-knights-and-wishlists-northern-and-bakerloo-line-extensions/

Anonymous said...

I thought there was a route mooted that went from Nunhead to Crofton Park and then down? Has this option disappeared?

Seggy said...

I was born in Peckham and can remember the underground was promised as far back as the 1950's still waiting

maisie_moo said...

A direct line into Waterloo and Paddington would be very welcome!

Anonymous said...

All this and the bike reform - doesn't fit with the usually tiresome local political narrative does it?

Git said...

I'm getting used to being wedged against everyone one on my morning commute listening to their shit music and smelling their BO. I can easily wait 100 years for more trains.

Richard Elliot said...

I'm a believer it will happen. Hopefully sooner rather than later!


£2bn for the Bakerloo line extension when £1bn has been talked about for cycle lanes sounds like a bargain.

Monkeyboy said...

it will be an interesting year or so. LU are trying to secure funding for the next decade or so, theyre nearly at the end of the last funding round. this will be an extra over and above the tens of billions needed for the rest of the network.

Sue said...

One route that was mentioned when it came to the Council's Sustainable Development Committee a few years back was via Ladywell!

AliAfro said...

Just registering my shameless self interest vote for Crofton park route - you just need to hook up elephant and castle tube to existing elephant and castle trains - simples.

That said brockley overground interchange + Lewisham DLR interchange does make sense when you look at the transit map...

Tyrwhitt Tyrwhoo said...

I live in the conservation area and don't much fancy having a train running under my basement flat every 3 minutes. There are sufficient routes in to town as we are, thanks

Brockley Nick said...

You are joking?!

Kev-la said...

Would this run on the existing train line that goes past Brockley station towards Lewisham?

Baker said...

It would be on the existing mainline rail I'm assuming ... and "Brockley Lane" station would be reopened as part of Brockley station - an easy interchange by stairs ... this line already joins up Peckham, Nunhead, Brockley, Lewisham, Catford and continues to Bromley ... Would be a good route for regeneration and cheapish to implement as the line is already there ...

michael_fh said...

I did write a long post but it was swallowed by disqus. So briefly, using existing tracks makes little sense as it barely increases capacity. We certainly don't want more trains going through the bottleneck around Lewisham on the existing tracks.

What we need is a long tunnel, the longer the better. This will be the best way to provide an overall increase in capacity for South East London. Wherever this tunnel goes it will benefit a wider area of South East London, not just the places it goes through directly.

Mickey Mouse said...

I expect I will be unable to wipe my own bum never mind get on a tube by the time this becomes a reality.

Little Richardjohn said...

Only about a century late. And still hardly servicing the population of south east London, who will still have to make do with a reduced transport service. The miracle is that there hasn't been outrage, especially from the congestion-charge payers, who have effectively been subsidising the upkeep of the tube everywhere but where they live.
See 'Real Scale Tube Map'
http://twitpic.com/ccvx8h

EdG said...

An option of continuing the Bakerloo Line extension via Crofton Park is set out in a Lewisham Council consultation document from 2010 (see page 20 of http://tinyurl.com/c7fhltm). A continuation of the Bakerloo Line from Peckham Rye to Crofton Park would be great, but even the proposed TfL Overground stopping service from Bromley South through the ‘Catford loop’ to Peckham Rye will make Crofton Park far more accessible to the Bakerloo Line extension than Brockley.

Monkeyboy said...

...but its cheeper. the money thing isnt a small detail. tens of billions are required for the currently planned upgrades, this will either take money from there or be extra. A mainline sized, frequent service like Crossrail would be heaps better but you need to lobby for something youre likley to get

headhunter said...

Back in the 1930s there were plans to double up some lines like the Northern Line to allow express Tube trains which could skip certain stations like they have in New York. I believe they even started digging some of the tunnels and expanding stations in preparation for this but then good old WW2 came along and after that Britain was broke...

Tyrwhitt Tyrwhoo said...

Um, no. Within a 10 minute walk I can get to Brockley, st Johns or Lewisham. And after 20 minutes on a train can be at London Bridge, cannon St, Chancery Lane, Waterloo (via jubillee from LB) or Shoreditch. I honestly think that's pretty good. If I didn't I wouldn't have moved here

Brockley Nick said...

Agreed. Lots of good connections here. But...

1. Why wouldn't you want more connections to more destinations? We had good connections before the ELL, but the ELL extension has been fantastic - no-one would ever go back to the way it was.

2. More capacity helps overcrowding, which is a big problem.

3. Most importantly, the Bakerloo line would make all kinds of regeneration viable, including attracting large scale employers to the borough for the first time. It will give a massive boost to the whole area.

4. What makes you think it's going under your house, we know nothing about the route?

Tyrwhitt Tyrwhoo said...

1. I wasn't suggesting anyone closes the ELL! Just those stations I mentioned provide a direct connection within 20 minutes or less to the Northern Line, Jubilee, Bakerloo, ELL, DLR, Hammersmith and District & Circle lines.


2. Personally I've never ever been in a position where I couldn't fit on a train in rush hour, which is more than can be said on a lot of the Underground Stations. Fair point, other people might have experienced but since I haven't, any comment would be pure speculation


3. You have a point here. Personally speaking part of the charm of this area is that there are no massive office buildings or retail parks (first 2 'large scale employers' I could think of - sorry!)


4. The map you posted in your article suggests a route between Brockley and Lewisham, which is pretty much under my flat. But for fear of being called a NIMBY I accept I could well be in the minority and there are plenty of readers who would welcome having tunnels under their house. I'm just speaking personally.

kev-la said...

The route would most likely utilise the train line that runs through Brockley to Lewisham.

david said...

And to be even more precise for Tyrwhitt's benefit - the line that runs under the bridge at the bottom of Tyrwhitt Road.

Whilst logically the Bakerloo extension can only be a good thing for all the reasons discussed (if it ever happens), emotionally I always used to like that Brockley's absence from the tube map meant I had to explain to people where it was. It was like being in a secret club, but now it seems every third person I meet is thinking of moving here.

Good for facilities, regeneration and employment opportunities, bad for my Camus complex of being on the outside.

headhunter said...

Yep... Given that Thameslink 2000 still isn't complete even though the year 2000 and Thameslink have both been consigned to history...

Clare Saxon Ghauri said...

Right, i've created a petition for it to go down Old Kent Road. It's long and in need of something: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/boris-johnson-extend-the-bakerloo-line-down-the-old-kent-road-to-new-cross-peckham

CrazyCatfrod said...

You don't need a petition.
The Bakerloo extension is going there anyway.
It was always destined to go down the Old Kent Road to New Cross with one small diversion into and out of Peckham.

HanoN said...

Just looked at the map used to illustrate the article.
My opinion - it's completely pants. The map not the article.
Like after Lewisham the Bakerloo extension heads off to the east... where exactly is that supposed to be?
Not one of any of the proposals show the Bakerloo extension going to Margate.
Brockely has more chance of getting a station than Margate.
Not very much more I grant you but still more.

propdevel said...

Its about time Lewisham received some serious funding to implement an underground station connecting up with other parts of London. Its a seriously deprived part of London that has masses amounts of space and potential to link to the city and central London. It would fund jobs and a regeneration. Its particularly surprising that a station in Zone 2 is still thought of as a long way from central London... This can be changed and improved.....

londona729 said...

True but geography is too blame- also South London has a myraid of railway lines. Whose original operating companies opposed underground expansion- e.g the Northern line extension to Sutton from Morden was opposed by Southern Railway in the 1930s!

londona729 said...

At least you have the DLR! Btw Lewsisham is borderline 2/3!

londona729 said...

One plan involves the Bakerloo line taking over the Hayes line

londona729 said...

Interestingly the Northern line (Charring Cross branch) could have been extended South East via Camberwell but has been diverted to Battersea

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