The 484 and 172 among London's busiest buses

The London Assembly transport committee has identified two Brockley bus routes (the 484 and 172) as being among the top 10 most crowded routes in the capital, according to a passenger survey. In a report issued last month, the committee examined how the system will be able to cope with continued passenger growth - 4% growth in the last ten years, with 7% growth predicted in the next 10):
The committee calls for the Mayor to publish a new strategy to show how London will respond to growing demand and makes a number of recommendations of its own, although they mainly amount to "run a good bus service". You can read the report here. The results of the survey should mean that the 484 and 172 (and South East London bus routes in general) receive particular attention.

With thanks to Laura.

20 comments:

Woman of Brockley said...

I can't say I'm at all surprised to hear that the 484 is one of the busiest bus routes in London. I use it a lot. In term-time it is jammed with children and teenagers going to school/college. Because of the schools place crisis, lots of primary aged children are travelling a couple of miles to get to school, usually escorted by at least one adult and possibly younger siblings too. You didn't see that as much even five years ago.


Lots of people use the 484 to get to Lewisham Market, Lewisham Hospital, King's College Hospital and Camberwell Magistrate's Court (judging by a few conversations I've overheard, anyway). Then there are all the people getting on for a few stops on their way to a railway station - Lewisham, Ladywell, Brockley, East Dulwich, Denmark Hill. It's a very useful service, but because it goes through back ways there are lots of traffic problems - just look at what happens on Harefield Road if one 484 is going up and another one is coming down. Increasing the frequency of services would make that worse unless there's a reduction in the number of parked cars, which is unlikely.

se londoner said...

Interesting, though not surprising, how so many of the busiest 10 are in SE London. Shows how our quarter of the capital doesn't get its share of the money TfL spends on the tube...

anon said...

Indeed all the routes are in the south east, the bit that matters least apparently

Anon said...

Did you know...

"The borough is made up of 412.8 miles of road of which 23 miles are red routes controlled by Transport for London and 389.8 miles are local roads maintained by the Council. As at the last Census 2011 there are 119,000 households within the borough and it is currently estimated that 281,556 people live in those households. Of those 216,990 are potential drivers i.e. over 18. Across the borough residents have access to 76,507 cars or vans.

The wards with the highest concentrations of households having access to 1 car or van are Brockley, Evelyn and New Cross. Catford South, Grove Park and Whitefoot have a high number of households with 2 cars or vans. Overall the wards where residents have the greatest access to a car or van are Forest Hill, Catford South and Perry Vale."

Michael said...

We need a bus to Greenwich.

maisie_moo said...

Couldn't agree more.

Robert said...

Brockley Lane station was on the old Greenwich Line which ran from Nunhead, to Brockley, to Lewisham Way, Blackheath Hill, and Greenwich Park (Stockwell Street, right in the centre of greenwich). That would be handy.

Michael_FH said...

I don't think we even get our share of the investment in buses
leaving us with the most overcrowded buses in London. It is a disgrace
that the map should be so skewed against those in South East London.

What the map shows better than anything I have seen for a while is the route the Bakerloo extension should take. And don't worry about whether it should go via Old Kent Road or Camberwell, just guarantee the £3bn required for a tunnel from E&C to Catford/Bromley by any route necessary.

brockley fan said...

Agree whole heartedly with you! The 484 goes to some very handy places - there really is no way to get from Brockley to East Dulwich / Dulwich / Denmark Hill, without making a couple of changes if you don't take the 484. Plus the 484 I believe only comes round every 20 minutes or something longish like that...exacerbating the overcrowding.

brockley fan said...

Yes and one to Blackheath...it's funny how difficult it is to get to certain places from Brockley considering how close these places are.

Anonymous said...

Denmark Hill is on the train from Crofton Park (and Nunhead) and East Dulwich is 13 mins including the change at Peckham Rye from Crofton Park.

Headhunter said...

Just walk it, it's not that far!

headhunter said...

I think the track that ran through to Blackheath and Greenwich has gone though. The station on Stockwell St is long gone - it's where Cafe Rouge etc is

brockley fan said...

Not everyone wants to pay train fares especially as you have to pay for children over 7-- suddenly making a 1.40 journey more like £5 -- and that's one way.

brockley fan said...

Try convincing a 7 year old that Blackheath is not a far walk!

Woman of Brockley said...

I used to commute on that line. Three years or so ago a steep decline in the service and an even steeper hike in fares drove me onto the 484. I prefer it now. It's often very little slower than the train once you take into account the walk from/to the station at either end. The buses are a lot more frequent than the trains to Crofton Park and you get to see life on the 484.

rationalplan said...

The map is a convincing case for the Bakerloo to be extended down the Old Kent road to Lewisham and then Hayes.

SPPP2 said...

Yep Boris cares not one jot for SE London. Livingstone (who I had problems with) at least pushed for the Overground and east London line extension, Crossrail to Abbey Wood, DLR to Woolwich, and attempted TfL takeover of southeastern lines which Boris has failed at. Oh and he pushed for a new bridge across the Thames from east London that would have had dedicated pubic transport lanes and possible future DLR.

SPPP2 said...

It's those free fares for all children at all times helping to pile on the pressure. Not good if people can't get to/from work as bus full of people not paying anything.

James said...

Direct Brockley to Dulwich Hamlet FC shuttle? No wonder it's busy!

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