Albertine's stables and function room targeted for residential conversion

Developers have lodged planning applications to convert the old stables at the back of the pub formerly known as Albertine's (237 Lewisham Way) into new homes, and to convert the first-floor function room into residential use.

Although the proposed new homes look OK, the stables (which you can see here) would be a bit of a loss. Most worryingly though is that the cumulative effect of these changes would be to make it harder than ever to bring this building back into use as a functioning pub. The loss of the large function room, in particular, is concerning and would constitute the loss of the sort of amenity which is in short supply in the area.

We understand that BrocSoc is likely to object to the application to convert the first floor for residential use.

12 comments:

Headhunter said...

I thought it would end up residential... With all the fire damage it's probably the only way to make it economically viable. Even if they don't convert the 1st floor into a flat I should think it will be difficult to bring it back as a pub as people who buy the flats will object to the noise...

Brockley Nick said...

"With all the fire damage it's probably the only way to make it economically viable."


Insurance?


"Even if they don't convert the 1st floor into a flat I should think it will be difficult to bring it back as a pub as people who buy the flats will object to the noise..."


Not much grounds to object given that a) it already has planning permission as a pub and b) they bought a house right next door to a pub.

terrencetrentderby said...

The 1st floor conversion is a trojan horse and the first step in losing the building completely as a pub. Resi conversion is a no brainer financially for any developer but as no new pubs are likely to ever be built in the area again the enforcers in Broc Soc are right to ink their quills for war.

deptford said...

it was bought with the intention to convert it into residential even before the fire damage

deptford said...

it was bought at a snip of a price for such a huge building, never run as a pub, a phoney coffee bar with it never actually happening advertised, until a convenient fire burnt it all down

Gu Est said...

Another jail-like design

Headhunter said...

Exactly, I've read a couple of examples of pubs being basically shut down following new developments nearby... look at what was about to happen at Ministry of Sound in Elephant & Castle - a developer was seeking to limit noise coming out of the club which basically would've spelled the end:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8535219.stm

NAT said...

Why did they use curtains from the First floor, where presumably the fire started, to escape from the second floor, which has, or had tiny windows?

Headhunter said...

I don't think the coffee shop was ever intended to be reality, I think it was just demonstration signage....

Pubs to Flats said...

Another pub gone for good.

Royshirttugger said...

it will never become again a pub if there are flats above. we may get a coffee shop or something of it ilk. the design is awful.

Captain Sensible said...

I'm baffled why people keep saying there should be a pub here. I live across the road and very few locals went in when it was Albertines.
What's more, the place was nightmare for anyone living nearby as it had a 3am licence and was run like a nightclub.
If the Brockley Society checks Lewisham Council minutes, it will find it was inundated with noise and anti-social complaints. It was also well known to police and some exasperated residents ended up moving away.
I'm not saying any new pub on the premises would be run in such away but the landlord would automatically inherit this late licence. To make that place profitable would invariably involve late hours - that would be damaging to the local community NOT a benefit.
I would normally support saving the local pub but, in this case, I would welcome the building's upper floors be turned into flats with a coffee shop on the ground floor.

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