Bakerloo Line extension to New Cross and Lewisham proposed

Being always right about everything is a burden Brockley Central must bear. For years, we have been banging on about the fact that a southern extension of the Bakerloo Line should be a key priority for London and that the case is so strong that, despite being a relatively unfashionable project (compared with Crossrail 2, etc), its time would come.

Just to be extra-right, we predicted that the route would go down the Old Kent Road, rather than through Camberwell. And lo! Londonist reports:

Boris Johnson has been teasing an update about a possible southern extension to the Bakerloo Line for a couple of weeks now, and in the newly released London Infrastructure Plan 2050 we can see what Transport for London has in mind. The preferred route runs from the current terminus at Elephant and Castle down Old Kent Road and through New Cross and Lewisham, down to Catford and then on to Hayes and Beckenham Junction. Catford would get up to 27 trains per hour, Hayes up to 15 tph and Beckenham up to 6 tph.

The Guardian also reports that the 2050 strategy includes a vision for a new "Zone 3" orbital railway that would travel through the borough:

The concept for an additional fast orbital rail service linking boroughs in the inner suburbs – dubbed the R25 in City Hall – follows the rapid growth of London Overground, which has seen a boom in passenger numbers since being enhanced and integrated into the capital's transport system, helping regenerate areas and stations and decongest tube lines.

We understand that there's a lot of politics involved in any such announcement and Boris is good at floating ideas, not so good at delivering them, but it's coming and probably sooner than the sceptics think. Thanks to Stuart for the heads-up.

25 comments:

Gio said...

We will probably all be dead by the time this is built. But still, well done Boris

freethinker85 said...

Looking at lack of capacity on the Overground and trains to New Cross during peak times, and also considering that we are an Opportunity Area that will see lots of new car-free households in area within next 10-15 years, I would say we need this by 2025-2030 at the latest in order for the area to keep functioning well. If this doesn't happen, we will need a good alternative to meet demand.

more trains please said...

How long did the Overground take to be delivered? It seemed quite quick. 2007 until last year. As I recollect, it was quite cheap. A mere £1billon compared to Crossrail, which was a much more ambitious project, at £14billion and God knows how much HST is going to cost.



So, more of that please. Leverage the Victorian patchwork of train services in SE London and integrate them with the tube system.

Monkeyboy said...

yes, but the planning and securing the funding preceded that. This is a welcome step and will start that process.

Alan Burkitt-Gray said...

In your dreams. London Transport has had maps on the wall of its HQ since the 1930s with brown wiggly lines heading southeast from the Elephant. I think they even started to dig towards Camberwell in the late 1940s but ran out of enthusiasm.
Give it five to 10 years for planning, and another 10 years for construction and, who knows, it might be in operation by 2035. If something more interesting doesn't come along first.

Norman Lepont said...

So it might take over the Hayes line and go through Ladywell and then on to Beckenham juct and end up in Hayes? By the time this is finished most of us will have long moved away, be dead, or retired to the costa blanca.

THNIck said...

I think the consultation documents mention 2040 for the Bakerloo line extension. Good for once I've retired,
There's also a map of the possible South London metro line: Wimbeldon -> Peckham Rye -> Lewisham. (plus lots of other places). But that's even further out than Bakerloo line: they havent included any costs for it in the other costing.

Edie said...

whatever happened with the plan to extend the DLR to ladywell and Catford as posted on this website in 2011?

michael_fh said...

Mention of Brockley High Level station on page 152 of the transport document, as well as Brixton High Level. Both excellent ideas for interchange. It may even mean the Brockley is part of the Bakerloo line.

terrencetrentderby said...

Surely Greater Brockley Station has a better ring to it?

se4ldn said...

Overground was cheap as it joins preexisting routes and stations already available. Nothing on the scale of a Bakerloo Line extension, which will require new tunnels and stations.

This need to be build now, but I suspect it is yet another election scheme which will be ditched next year. Red tapes will also mean it will get stuck in some planners office for decades.

AliAfro said...

Excuse my ignorance but what do they mean by 'high level station'?

se4ldn said...

The former station that sits just above Brockley Cross where trains to Lewisham currently runs through.

Monkeyboy said...

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/brockley_lane/ there is still an entrance passage/steps up I think next to the barbers? Hope I'm not 6ft under before we see it.

Monkeyboy said...

It's money that will decide whether it happens. Before you can secure all the consents you need to demonstrate a sound business case. See TWA (Transport and Works act if you fancy a sleep)

max doom! said...

fella from tfl told me years ago that they'd started digging this way years ago and abandoned it. reckoned the aim was to to head to lewisham.

Emma said...

I believe 2040 is mentioned in the report so it's a long way off. I agree with you though it needs to be much earlier. I would have been more excited about it if it was going to happen by 2030.

Brockley Nick said...

I think it will be much sooner than that. London's moving far too fast and SE London is growing rapidly. It is a relatively cheap option that will be a quick win, particularly when we get a Labour Mayor, with more of a political stake in this part of town... 2025 - that's my bet.

Emma said...

It would be great if it's that early. I'm in Nunhead but not far from Queen's Road Peckham station so I'm hoping there will be a stop somewhere near me.

Monkeyboy said...

It's important that the pressure is maintained for this, do bear in mind that the Bakerloo has a firm(ish) upgrade plan already. That involves replacing current assets and increasing the service significantly. It does NOT include an extension. The current upgrade is for circa 2033 and has yet to receive funding, although it's got some of the oldest infrastructure so has to happen. The question is whether an extension is added to this or happens after. Either way 2033 would appear the earliest but first the proposal has to have some serious analysis so that the costs and optimal solution can be established. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-20140123-part-1-item09-new-tube-for-london.pdf

ClickertyClick said...

Just Amazing!
A station for Brockley! A High Level one at that!
And I always thought they'd tunnel from NCG to Lewisham.

One Ontrack said...

Call me crazy but I still think it's a shame no one thought to tell Lewisham Council.
They say the Bakerloo should be at Catford Bridge by 2023/4. That's the date they published in their corporate plan.
Someone is being less than honest here.

Monkeyboy said...

lewisham can say what they like, they will not be building it.

One Ontrack said...

What are you saying monkey - the council lied?
Have you proof of this or is all this just 'idle speculation'?
Someone should be made to pay!
Either that or they should be made to supply a decent train service form Catford Bridge. 6 trains an hour at best and then only at peak is simply rubbish in this day and age for a busy London Metropolitan commuter station.
Do you use Catford Bridge Monkey?

Monkeyboy said...

I'm saying you misunderstand Lewisham Council have in the planning, funding and implementation of an extension.

Brockley Central Label Cloud