Bogs signal balloons have gone up at 180 Brockley Road

BCer Monkeyboy has spotted portaloos on site at 180 Brockley Road, the former MOT garage, which has been targeted for redevelopment.

Bits and pieces of the building have been removed in recent weeks and the site has been vacated, so it looks as though work, which was due to start last year, has begun. The most recent application (refused), which made minor changes to the plans approved last year, was for:

The demolition of the existing buildings on the site of 180 Brockley Road SE4 and the construction of a part two/ part three/ part four storey block, comprising 454.5m2 commercial floor space (Use Classes A1 (Shops), A2 (Financial and Professional), A3 (Restaurants and Cafes), B1 (Business), 3 studio flats, 11 one bedroom, 9 two bedroom and 2 three bedroom self-contained flats, together with refuse and cycle storage, associated highway and public realm works.

The development changed hands recently and is now being led by Peveril Securities (which is part of Bowmer & Kirkland) and Boultbee. This is a critical piece of the Brockley landscape and could be great news or a massive setback, if it goes wrong.

36 comments:

Peatree said...

please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t, please don't be sh*t

BarCar said...

Note that the most recent application for changes was refused.

Cake Hole said...

Have BrockSoc and BXAG given their blessing to thiis?

Brockley Nick said...

Duly noted.

Ian on The Hill said...

I note there are still hire vans there all the time.

Lord Rogers said...

You simply have to look around at any new development in Lewisham (and beyond) to see what you're going to get – most likely it'll be horrible, grey and dominating and if you're lucky you'll get a tesco metro on the ground floor. Who knows, you may even get a 'poor door' for the (small) affordable housing element (if there is one).
Me? I'd like to see a bit of open space there, not piss-poor housing and aspirational retail.

Rhymer said...

Good news, I think. The building looks decent and anything is better than the current eyesore. It would be nice to see the council take this opportunity to turn Coulgate Street into the pleasant public area it could be, rather than a carpark for people who live in Zone 4, but you know....pixie steps.

Pebble_dash said...

Am I wrong or is the corner opposite on the left of the illustration, the Brockley Barge? If so, do they have white umbrellas outside and seating areas... I didn't think so but then maybe these impressions don't have to be accurate. (The hot air balloons are the biggest give-away!)


I think it looks quite heavy for the site, especially as I thought the buildings behind (on Coulgate Street) actually had windows that overlooked the forecourt of the MOT garage or is the plan to knock these down in the future?


However on reading the post again, I'm a little confused whether this proposal have been approved or refused?


On a tangent but on the subject of areas around stations....I thought Forest Hill (society/locals) had some interesting ideas developed at a recent meeting they held (se23.com has details). Particularly the ambitious idea to demolish the buildings in front of the station and set them back from the road - creating wider footpaths and more of an open towncentre.

Gu Est said...

Interesting, the old guys bought it for about £1m and sold it 18 months later for almost £3m to these guys.

Now the new guys claim that in order to make it economically viable they need the changes.... could they not think about it before paying 3x the original price for it?

Well done to the Council for stopping the spinning

terrencetrentderby said...

Betting shop, Nigerian accountant and chicken shop, great!

heckmcbuff said...

One more step to Brockley having its soul ripped out.

terrencetrentderby said...

You call a former garage lot opposite a crappy parade of shops soul? Or maybe my sarcasm detector isn't working this morning....

Anon said...

Last summer the Brockley Barge did have tables there - it's a shame they don't this year. But maybe it's in anticipation of the construction work that is about to begin

Brockley Nick said...

The much-derided balloons also have basis in fact. http://brockleycentral.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/adventure-is-out-there.html

Brockley Nick said...

You ain't thinking of getting rid of the dank, are you, Moe?

AliAfro said...

Agree that contemporary developments often leave a lot to be desired but I'm not sure "open space" is a viable business proposition for the developer. Resi to upper levels is a given. Restaurants and bars would make sense to the ground level but I'm sure the developer would prefer a Tesco or Waitrose as they have a higher covenant strength which means the development would be worth more once the units are let.

terrencetrentderby said...

I went in Spoons once and it reminded me of Moe's, the people and the dank, that is all I took from the experience.

oh well said...

has there been any indication of how long the project will take?

Brockley Nick said...

I also don't think that area needs open space. It needs density of stuff, to create a vibrant, high-quality town centre.

Bin said...

19 months based on the website of one of the developers:

www.boultbeeldn.co.uk/our-portfolio/list


The demolition started today

Lord Rogers said...

"vibrant, high-quality town centre"


It will be none of those things, you can rely on that, it'll be a block of flats with failing shops (if any) underneath it, I do, however, wish to be proved wrong eventually, but I suspect I will be correct. Pity.


And of course the previous poster mentioned that open space wouldn't be a viable proposition for a developer. And of course he/she is correct, but that's the problem. There's no public green space for community use (excluding 'brockley common' and one or two railway embankments) within at least a ten-minute walk of brockley station and this area should have been brought back into the public domain.


This is a negative development which has had no creative thinking applied to it, it's purely for (limited) financial gain - any benefit that comes from it won't be because of plan but because of luck.


But still, that said, I can only regret this.

Brockley Nick said...

Why the need for open space at this location? The problem with the area around Brockley Station is that there is not enough density of retail / leisure to make it a proper "destination" that businesses and punters can cluster around.

lord rogers said...

It's good to be optimistic but when the developers website says "will comprise of one metro format supermarket, two smaller retail units and twenty five apartments" this will not create a "vibrant, high-quality town centre that businesses and punters can cluster around" . . .


sorry, but plucking a few words from a developers glossy brochure will not actually make things happen

Brockley Nick said...

You are arguing a different point. I am simply arguing that "open space" is not the right solution at this location.


I am opposed to another metro supermarket unit at this location - not because I don't like supermarkets, but because I think that would be a waste of space, when there are so few high quality units around in Brockley and because there are already 3 other metro supermarkets (Sainsbury, Costcutter, Nisa) in the immediate vicinity.

Lord rogers said...

Well, a building like this isn't the solution either, that's as guaranteed as it ever could be.

The bottom line is that residents have little or no say in what is plonked in their environment, there's often a 'consultation' or something but this is simply part of the planning process and need have no impact on any decision. You know all this of course.

The great pity is that there could be something on this plot that has relevance to the local community, and it could be a building that has flats as an upper part, but, and you're arguing this of course, it needs to have something relevant on the ground floor that is missing from the community at present but what you will get is another unwanted mini-supermarket. Well, it's not totally unwanted of course, it will be used, but at the expense of other, existing shops. And more retail won't make this a "vibrant high-quality town centre" - that's complete pie-in-the-sky (as is my wish for open space).

But all this is too late now, brockley will get a great big unpleasant building and another supermarket and that's all there is to it.


We're f**cked either way.

heckmcbuff said...

I believe it must be sour grapes as the Wetherspoons is obviously the most successful business around that area.

Monkeyboy said...

Except it looks nothing like a public toilet, except in that's it's a building I suppose.

heckmcbuff said...

It looks just the same as all the other fast cheap developments going up around Brockley. Most likely the same company or group of developers who are after very profitable and quick returns. They are building hideous looking constructions out of cheap fabrics to make money out of desperate people wanting to own their own home. Clearly opportunists who excuse it all as necessary development. Necessary to line their own pockets is all it is. It isn't necessary and is not needed. Brockley is classier than this and we should expect a lot better.

Monkeyboy said...

London doesn't need housing but does require shabby MOT garages? (It was a great garage but hardly a "classy" crowd pleaser)

Brockley Nick said...

Please can you define what you mean by 'necessary'

Liam said...

Have people completly forgotten about the new shops that have appeared around the main road in the last few years. Gently Elephant is a beautiful independant childrens shop, The Gantry a great restuarant and bar and Mo Pho yummy vietnamese restuarant. We can do great things so lets hope this new opportunity spawns more of the same. I am unhappy with the design of the space and hoped for something far more groundbreaking and attractive, as long as its better than the eyesores that have been erected on the other side of the tracks it can only be better than the horrible garage. Fingers crossed that the hire vans all go too!

Cee said...

Nearly all the murals have now been demolished. Shame

Kat said...

When they were knocking down the murals, we asked at the site and the man there said a Tesco was being built.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, that's the rumour. Although it's the default rumour every time. I've asked the developers for an update.

heckmcbuff said...

The dead give away is that the same people who admin this site are always pro all the cheap and nasty new developments that are "popping up" around Brockley. It is plainly obvious that this site supports the developers who are gaining from these investments and probably work for them in some respect or have an invested interest in them going ahead.

Brockley Nick said...

Do you want to back up your stupid, baseless assertions? Did you even read the article, which is very guarded about whether this will be a good development?


I have a *vested* interest in developments in the same way everyone else does - I live here and I want things to improve. Most developments - even some of the ugly ones - improve things, by providing houses and stuff that people need and bringing new people to the area, who support the bars and restaurants and shops we all like. Some are so ugly and poorly planned that they are a net negative for the area, in my view.

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