Consultation on two new Bakerloo routes

The proposed Bakerloo extension routes
Following the revelation that a southern extension to the Bakerloo Line was included in the Mayor of London's 2050 infrastructure plan comes the news that TfL will start consulting on the possible routes shortly, with the aim of delivering the project by 2040.

The Evening Standard reports that TfL will shortly start a public consultation on the possible routes for the Bakerloo Line extension to Lewisham and Catford. Matthew Beard writes:

Proposals to build the line by 2040 at a cost of £2.6 billion have been included in the Mayor’s infrastructure plan outlining essential transport projects to be delivered by 2050.

The line, which currently runs from Harrow & Wealdstone to Elephant & Castle, would be extended via Old Kent Road and Lewisham to Hayes and Beckenham Junction. It would operate a peak service of 27 trains per hour as far as Catford Bridge, with 15 trains per hour to Hayes and 6 trains per hour to Beckenham Junction.

The Mayor believes it would relieve congestion on national rail routes into London Bridge and generate £400million in annual economic benefits.

TfL's currently-preferred route is the one that presents the most obvious regeneration benefits and addresses a public transport desert running the length of the Old Kent Road. The alternative route is less direct and travels through Peckham, Nunhead and Brockley, where there are more immediate advantages for residential communities, whose services are often overcrowded.

BC reckons that, as a relatively low-cost quick win, the next Mayor will be tempted to bump project this up the priority order, especially as they are likely to be Labour and SE London represents something of a heartland. In which case, we could see this much sooner than 2040. Admittedly, this is based on nothing at all. With thanks to Jenny for the update.

18 comments:

Chappy said...

2040! Only in England. Countries has build new airports and even whole new cities in far less time than this.

Monkeyboy said...

Two things.


Money - lots off required, TfL are strugling to meet current comitments and the tresury are cutting central funding. The existing bakerloo upgrade is not funded let alone an extension.



It's not a greenfield project, it has impacts on existing rail services and residents along the route.


But yes, amounts to the same thing. Needs a proper commitment over several administrative terms. Private funds wont build this.

anon said...

The Peckham Rye - Nunhead - Brockley - Lewisham route would be an easy win as it can use the existing rail line and would benefit many ... Can't really get excited about this though as I'll probably be retired by the time it's being finished!

maisie_moo said...

Alternative title: Bakerloo Line Extension - if you're over 25 now, you won't have to pay to use it!

terrencetrentderby said...

I'd be interested to know if the addition of Bakerloo line services on the already busy line would have the knock on effect of reduced mainline and Overground frequencies. It's already a disaster when a train is late or delayed during rush morning rush hour.

terrencetrentderby said...

Seeing as the government is obviously keen in the population of London growing uncontrolably they will have to cough up for infrastructure projects like this. Borrow to build as Keynes would say.

Monkeyboy said...

think the proposed route would use the 'high level' route, the one that crosses Brockley station on the bridge. The bakerloo already shares with Network Rail so that would need sorting on the extended route

max doom! said...

thats good, less good is the concern i might not live that long

maisie_moo said...

One way or another, you won't be paying to use it ;-)

Monkeyboy said...

hope so, it will see me out to retirement easily. may come back as a £500 a day consultant. cheers lads!

terrencetrentderby said...

The Chinese will never pay such high wages.

r said...

At least with 2040 it makes it a nice round century since they last started digging.

Monkeyboy said...

thats what you think, if i wasn't such a lazy apathetic b'stard i'd be over there (or Dubai, or Quatar etc...)

It's the poor buggers shifting the muck that get the pittance.

anyway, biscuit time.

terrencetrentderby said...

It would all dissapear in "infidel tax" to ISIS when they take over the world.
Pretty sure it would say "infidel tax" on your PAYE.

Monkeyboy said...

Yes, the upgrade will take money. The 2040 date is probably a reflection of the guesstimate of the funding and priorities. Find the cash, put it at the top of the pile and you're off.

Martin said...

Well, even though it doesn't sound like it's going to happen in my lifetime it's still good news. I think that running the line through existing neighbourhoods (Camberwell, Peckham, Brockley) would make it beneficial to more people than running it along OKR. Also the train connections are already there do it doesn't have to be necessarily a more expensive option.

owen said...

Other major issue is probably the fact that the main strategic rail freight route round London to the Channel Tunnel runs through (single-track) Nunhead, and therefore that would need moving (probably through significant investment/upgrade elsewhere) before enough capacity was freed-up to run a tube frequency service. Right answer, but neither quick nor cheap.

THNick said...

cf Berlin's new aiport, which they started in 1991 and isn't open yet.

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