The North South Divide

Ndnd: It is true what they say... Women are from Omicron Persei 7, men are from Omicron Persei 9.
- Futurama

This map by the Future Cities Catapult, which divides the capital's population into eight typologies, illustrates the schism in the Greater Brockley hive mind.

The Whereabouts Map
North and Central Brockley is dominated by types 4 and 5 - young, single, car-less, child-less and mortgage less. Telegraph Hill and the southern end of Brockley, including Crofton Park and a large swathe of land running from Honor Oak through to East Dulwich are dominated type 1s - older, home-owning commuters. Pockets of West Brockley, Nunhead and Deptford have a type 8 profile - the youngest average age of all, most likely to be victims of anti-social behaviour and most likely to live in affordable housing.

These divides are largely dictated by the housing stock and are not all that surprising, but it's interesting to see where the fault lines lie and which areas have most in common with each other. Demographically, for example, central Brockley has more in common with central Lewisham, Blackheath and Greenwich than Crofton Park and Telegraph Hill. Likewise, the area around New Cross Gate has less in common with Deptford or Telegraph Hill than it does with Nunhead and the Brockley conservation area.

The methodology is explained here.

28 comments:

Chris Wheal said...

It's a very blunt instrument to use house prices without an understanding of the conversion of houses into flats. A house in the Brockley conservation area might be eight ore more bedrooms and sell very rarely, whereas one converted into four flats might report sales of all four flats several times in the same period.

The value of the flat sales and the frequency of them might make the area seem much cheaper than it is for a whole house.

It also assumes a homogeny that doesn't exist in much of Lewisham. All sorts of people tend to live side by side in terraced houses (or flat conversions) across the borough.

Having said that, Its description of residents in my street is a description of me.

Brockley Nick said...

"It's a very blunt instrument to use house prices without an understanding of the conversion of houses into flats. A house in the Brockley conservation area might be eight ore more bedrooms and sell very rarely, whereas one converted into four flats might report sales of all four flats several times in the same period."


But I think that's why the map shows, for example, that home ownership is relatively low in the conservation area - precisely because they are often converted into flats and rented out.

Chris Wheal said...

Many remain social housing. Much of Lewisham's social housing is integrated rather than in separate estates. It works better that way.

Brockley Nick said...

Agree - as much as possible, we should strive to create mixed communities. That's why the phrase gentrification irks me so much, because it implies that we should be content to let some areas remain poor ghettoes. Creating mixed communities means rich people moving into poor neighbourhoods as well as poor people being able to live in rich ones.

lord rodgers said...

ah ha, so that's why developers put 'poor doors' into some developments - to integrate people . . .

Brockley Nick said...

No.

Anon said...

An area that includes a few QC's and a former government minister comes up as anti-social, with burglary & robbery. And the bit that includes a 'hospital' for criminals is full of 'professional's'.

Monkeyboy said...

What about the bit that contains an ignorant reactionary? Does that come up as "full of dicks"?

Damian said...

If you were on a low income and someone offered you 'poor door' or a £4k/annum service charge for the concierge at the main door? I know where I'd go

terrencetrentderby said...

You say that but then a benefit family moves next door to you, scrumps your apples and steals your paper.

Royshirttugger said...

Pretty much agree with map. However I am liking brockley less and less when you see the new crowd coming from angel and islington bringing their north london atittudes to Brockley. too many show offs poncing around. and the plus side they can pay over the odds when I decide to sell up.

Brockley Nick said...

What constitutes showing off and poncing around?

Royshirttugger said...

Ok wrong phrase of words as poncing actually means a man who lives a prostitutes earnings. Omitt that word and add posing. by that i mean standing strsaigh legs splayed out feet pointing approx 45 degrees. hand in ones pocket feelings ones marbles or braces, chin looking at sun , eyes looking at feet. :)

Monkeyboy said...

'north london attitudes' no wonder the gormless UKIP bigotry is so appealing. Where will you go when you sell up? will there be a Roy complaining about the SE4 attitudes stinking up their area?

guesty said...

An example of north london attitudes. That 'newisham' business. ' let's rename the no-man's land that is Lewisham. There was nothing going on there until we arrived, they won't care'

guesty said...

If I were on low income, I would like there to be more options than; a) round-the-back-where-the bins-are-entrance versus b) pay-through-the-nose choice.

Monkeyboy said...

great, thanks for clearing that up. sounds like bollocks to me

guesty said...

"sounds like bollocks to me" is not a particularly convincing argument.

Tamsin said...

Well one of the fault lines (Telegraph Hill seems to be split between 1, 4 and 5, not all Type 1s) is right through our house by the look of it - and neither description applies! But interesting - and better than the rather blunt instrument of ward statistics.

Basilthedog said...

Get real Monkeyboy. No one is being political (except you). This has been a reasoned and sensible debate about the local area, so leave out the angry boy bit.

Monkeyboy said...

I'm simply saying that the endless carping about people from 'outside' despoiling 'our' area is silly. North London is an ELL ride away. What about blackheath attitudes? Or telegraph area attitudes? It's fairly meaningless. Complaining about them North Londoners poncing around is not a sensible reasoned argument. The petty fear of the outsider, blaming them for all our ills, is really not so different frame Nigel and his group of blazer wearing storm troopers.

Royshirttugger said...

That is a big problem monkey boy, i was happy with lower prices even though I own. My problems is I have seen more police cars on my road in the last last year then i have seen the previous five. it certainly is getting livielier. i resent the fact that brockley market food cost twice as much as it did a couple years ago. Ok if people are willing to pay for it so be it. I resent the fact that when a lot of people talk about areas improving they generally are talking about higher prices rather than improved facilities. I resent a lot of things to do with gentrification. Power to the people.

Monkeyboy said...

so you resent that (as you see it) it's getting more crime ridden AND resent the gentrification? Also, has brockley market ever been anything other than a premium market? Deptford and Lewisham markets are still going strong. Use them, I do.

Royshirttugger said...

yes, I resent more more incidents on my road anyone would . Brokley market was very reasonable at the beginining, I used to buy the sea bass from the stall there at £1.50 a peice, which was actually cheaper than lewisham market, as i said if people want to pay for it so be it. and yes I use lewisham market and deptford market.

Royshirttugger said...

bit angry Monkeyboy? Anon's observation does not warrant your response.

Brockley Nick said...

The stats for the area show crime falling (as with pretty much everywhere in London). The facilities are obviously improving too, whether that's new rail links, new schools, new shops and bars or new sports facilities.

Monkeyboy said...

wild or farmed? either way £1.50 sounds suspiciously cheap. There are still bargains though but i maintain that was never its unique selling point. Anyway, it seems like the alternatives are stil there and we have more supermarkets than ever before. Whats the complaint again?

Tamsin said...

But the poor people can't live in rich ones. Interested in what was for sale in Harefield Mews and so went on-line to Peter James. They only have five properties on their books under £200K. My children won't be able to afford to buy in the area.

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