TfL unveils plans for a better (but not much) Deptford Broadway

Deptford Dame has found TfL's plans to remodel the disastrous Deptford Broadway road junction, which is scary to navigate on foot, on a bike or in a car. TfL's main objective is to make it safer for pedestrians, but as DD says, the plans are basically putting lipstick on a pig and the provision for cyclists is particularly disappointing.

Pretty much anything would be better than what we have at the moment, but these changes won't stop this junction being a serious impediment to Deptford's development. As the Dame asks:

"Why does a junction connecting the vaguely dual-lane Blackheath Road to the definitely single-lane New Cross Road need so many traffic lanes? It balloons up into an enormous swollen racetrack - not just left and right turning lanes, but two lanes for the traffic going straight ahead, which then has to squeeze into a single lane within yards of the other side of the junction."

Click here for the consultation site.

17 comments:

Ala said...

There's only two words that can describe trying to navigate that junction 'just' and 'run'. I love the realistic title too.

trunk said...

I hope they phase the pedestrian crossing lights to give obese people plenty of time to cross - and perhaps a central refuge so they can either catch their breath or eat a Twix (or two)

anon said...

Typical North LDN - South LDN Divide. Archway get major road changes and a new square:
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/betterjunctions/archway-junction

We Get this :-)

Headhunter said...

Yes, that junction is a very 1960s, car centric one.... I'm a relatvively confident cyclist but I always feel at risk crossing the junction from the direction of New Cross towards Deptford Bridge station. As outlined above, cars jostle each other at speed as the road narrows very quickly and there's a bus stop which ends very quickly and then you're thrown in front of the high speed jostling cars as they try to accelerate to get through the next junction with Greenwich High Road... None of that seems to have been addressed, cyclists crossing the junction in the "advisory" (read pointless) cycle lane are immediately pushed into traffic as the road narrows where the bus stop is.... No big improvement

Ez said...

It's a disaster all round and this seems little better. As a pedestrian, I can't fathom the cycle lanes that swerve from one side of the pavement to the other.

Katy said...

Oh dear Lord - how, exactly, does this help cyclists? It seems to involve us being *required* to swerve into the middle of the road (and, indeed, as another commentator has already noted, across pavements).... FFS....

Martin said...

I agree that the junction is way too big for the local roads and the proposed change is just cosmetic.

As a side note I am waiting for the day when somebody demolishes or redesigns the Lewisham College building. It looks like like some government headquarters from an utopian, totalitarian movie. Big, heavy, unfriendly.

Matt-Z said...

My word that's poor. Smacks of the Boris-led approach to most cycle infrastructure in London, which is neatly summarised as 'squeeze in a cycle lane or two as long as existing traffic flows and lanes are unaffected'.

'Left turn into Brookmill Road unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles' why not 'prohibited' or add a width restriction?

Why not make the stretch of westbound carriageway outside the old distillery a red route? Parking on it at the weekends means a lane is lost. And what about parking on the north end of Brookmill Road itself? Often it is so crowded that two cars can't pass.

Where are the markings / guides for cyclists going south-north, south-east etc etc?

It will still be a terrifying junction for cyclists. No wonder cycle superhighway 5 doesn't get any further east than Hatcham.

terrencetrentderby said...

Why people risk their lives cycling in London is beyond me, it's not even remotely enjoyable, especially around Lewisham with its bad road designs, too many cars, too many African drivers etc etc.

Headhunter said...

I quite enjoy it actually.... Yes there are dangers but there's nothing like a car door in the face to wake you up in the morning! Also it's soooo much quicker than any other transport in London (as long as you're a bit fit). I can easily beat my other half back home from just about any location in London on just about any transport method.... We've tried car, bus, train, etc... We haven't tried helicopter and parachute yet but that's a bit extreme. After a few drinks with friends in town I can usually cycle back to Brockley, put the bike away, shower and have watched TV for 5-10 mins before esp if returning from north London somewhere or anywhere which involves a change of Tube or train....

terrencetrentderby said...

Thankfully I don't need the tube and my train commute is relatively good assuming Southern don't cancel trains at the last minute. All those dead cyclist tributes by the roadside and injured friends has put me off.

Monkeyboy said...

*peadent alert* 'dystopian'

Anon said...

*pedant alert* 'pedant'

Monkeyboy said...

busted.....

Headhunter said...

Considering the number of people on bikes in London the probability isn't actually that high that you'll get killed or injured... Having said that I've been in 2 crashes, broke my arm in 1 of them, but then I cycle up to 150 miles per week so a little collateral damage might be expected....

Ali Wowland said...

For pedestrians this is a great improvement - crossing these roads is currently very dangerous. As a cyclist I agree it's not a great solution but the pedestrian improvements are to be strongly recommended.

Brockley Nick said...

No pedestrian crossing on the East side of the junction is a pain in the arse though.

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