The Lewisham Fringe Festival - Bigger than Jesus

4:48 psychosis, November 13th and 15th
The Lewisham Fringe Festival is a season of plays and events at The London Theatre, New Cross. The Festival launched earlier this week and runs until November 16th, with 30 different performances in-between.

Highlights include Jesus Camp the Musical (November 15th) and child-friendly play How Planes Fly (November 16th).

22 comments:

Stephen said...

I didn't realise Brockley Central was a forum for pushing our religious or world views!

If I had... I would have posted about the great rescue that God has provided in Jesus... Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many".

How many lives will be saved for eternity at the Fringe Festival?

Danja said...

Precisely the same number as will be saved for eternity by Jesus.

Brockley Nick said...

"I didn't realise Brockley Central was a forum for pushing our religious or world views!"
You didn't?!


Anyway, of course I am an avowed atheist and regard that quote as an unmoving fiction, but the headline was simply a joke about how the Festival includes more events than simply Jesus Camp the Musical. In other words, it is 'bigger than Jesus.'

trinket said...

'avowed atheism' is just another form of religion . .

Brockley Nick said...

No it isn't. It's the absence of a religious belief. I don't believe in the existence of the Loch Ness Monster - holding that view isn't "just another form of religion" either.


Any other religious canards you want to offer?

terrencetrentderby said...

Society needs the vigour of the protestant work ethic back. Lord knows all those layabout, godless Marxist heathens need it.

trinket said...

people generally stop calling themselves atheists when they don't want to alarm elderly relatives any more and start wearing long trousers, so good luck with that

Sam said...

I wouldn't call it a religion but, with its logically associated beliefs, certainly a worldview which can therefore be critiqued as such. The trouble is that when you restrict your ontology to the natural you are left with an internally incoherent system. You want to affirm causality in an uncaused universe. You defend objective morality when no moral 'ought' can be derived from the natural 'is'. You rejoice in science without being able to defend the principle of induction upon which all scientific theorising rests. You argue rationally but can't justify abstract, immaterial and invariant laws of logic. None of these problems follow from a-lochnessmonsterism; that's a fundamental category error.

It frustrates me when so many online atheists shun their intellectual responsibility to defend their worldview, merely claiming they have a 'lack of belief' and therefore need offer no defence. This is not directed specifically at you, our esteemed blog-master, as you have consistently demonstrated your ability to argue a range of subjects (I suspect, however, that New Testament criticism isn't one of them).

I appreciate this isn't the place for a theological or philosophical debate but needed something to distract me from the unhealthiness of my lunch. And yes, I got the pun in the title!

I love this blog - keep up the great work, neighbour.

Testing said...

Atheist's don't need to defend their lack of belief. If I say an all powerful cat sicked up the universe in a fur ball I would say the burden to prove was my own not those who just said 'no that didn't happen'


I believe that science could answer all questions but we will never be able to understand the answers or even be able to ask the correct questions. I am quite happy to say I don't know and shall never know to a question, Religion seems to be unable to do that.


To me saying you're an Atheist is to accept that you don't know the answer to some things, that minds much greater than your own don't know the answers, that isn't to say it isn't interesting to think about possibilities and theories just to be happy in the knowledge that what you come up with is probably wrong. It's not a worldview to defend it's just the world.

Monkeyboy said...

therefore, god.

Max Calò said...

Your lunch is unhealthy because you have sinned. But if you want it is so because made by fallable men, pick your choice.

But if you feel you have sinned blame those that created a God in the image of a man. Man, the cause of the uncaused God!

But I don't think that atheists (on and offline) "shun intellectual responsibility" by claiming atheism as a "lack of belief", they (we) simply object to the line that atheism is a religion, because it isn't.

trinket said...

yes, good, but it an atheist calls him/herself that because of an 'absence of religious belief' then that's admitting that religious belief exists - a true 'atheist' wouldn't bother mentioning it because it's just not there, it's a vacuum. People call themselves 'atheists' because they want to draw attention to themselves - in a teenage kind of a way - but it's just another umbrella label and by appending it you belong to a group of 'non-worshippers'.


Ask me what I believe in - I'll say, what've you got?

Brockley Nick said...

"then that's admitting that religious belief exists"

Yes, of course it exists. Of course one needs to recognise that fact. What an odd thing to say.

"a true 'atheist' wouldn't bother mentioning it because it's just not there"

But it is there - see above. Black is the absence of colour. That doesn't mean that one need not use the term black.

"People call themselves 'atheists' because they want to draw attention to themselves"

No, they do it because it is a useful descriptor in a world where faith exists. You normally come out with (slightly) better arguments, but this is hopeless stuff.

Brockley Nick said...

Good luck with your personality.

trinket said...

ha ha, good atheist response, but the question is why do you need a 'descriptor'? In fact you don't need it at all if you are secure in your lack of 'belief'.
The fact also remains however that when you mention it it's always in a context that means it's simply trolling.
By the way, I don't need to vocalise my own belief-based peccadilloes, whatever they are.

Monkeyboy said...

I wish i didnt need the descriptor but as religion is built into our laws, traditions, monarchy, language, art and literature then it's useful. it's just a word, like apolitical, amoral, atypical - language innit. Glad you dont feel the need to vocalise your belief. I wish the 7th day advantists would take that advice as i close the door as soon as they start.

Brockley Nick said...

A lack of faith requires a descriptor in the same way that "off" needs a descriptor to set it apart from "on".


I'm quite happy and secure in my lack of faith of course. And it wasn't trolling. I was accused of denigrating a religion, so I set out my position and then explained the joke. That was the end of the matter until you waded in with your convoluted, confused arguments.

trinket said...

'convoluted, confused' in one mans language is 'an inability to allow yourself to understand' in another. I don't think you try because you're too interested in what you think to the exclusion of other peoples views, unless they happen to agree with a set of criteria that you apply. Narrow minded in another language.


Atheists are just holding their options open, they're sitting on the fence, they can't believe that anything might be true, or believable, outside of their own experience. Simply by calling oneself thus renders an insecurity which is hastily denied of course, but that's the game.

Brockley Nick said...

So... "narrow minded" and "holding my options open" at the same time - convoluted and confused...

stinket said...

An Atheist, in modern english, is somebody that doesn't believe in god, or a bunch of gods for that matter. How is that "holding their options open" (and since when was that an expression)? If somebody has looked at the facts and quite rationally concluded that there isn't a God, then that is decisive. They can tell people that if they like. Another example: I've read your arguments and I'm certain that you're an actual muppet.

God said...

Good luck with the narcissistic personality disorder

Tamsin said...

Aren't agnostics the ones sitting on the fence? Atheists actively believe that there is no deity. (Always liked the alleged put down by some Oxbridge don recording the details of an undergraduate - "ah, I see you've written 'agnostic' - we prefer Latin terminology to the Greek - shall I say 'ignoramus'?")

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