Brockley Bites - Democracy Special!

Councillor Sue Luxton APB:
"The Ladywell ward councillors are holding a Ladywell Ward meeting at St Andrew's Church this Thursday, to discuss suggestions for this year's £10,000 localities fund.

The time: Thu 25 October 2007, 7.30pm
The place: St Andrews Centre, Brockley Road, London SE4 2SA

"Over the last few weeks Ladywell residents and community groups have been coming up with ideas on how to spend £10,000 of Localities Fund set aside for projects in our neighbourhood. The best ideas will be presented at the meeting, where you are invited to ask questions and have your say on where the money should go. There will also be an opportunity for people to discuss other council-related issues they would like to raise with us.

"The Council budget for promoting the localities fund unfortunately didn't stretch to delivering a flyer through every door in the ward, but we've done what we can to promote the meeting with flyers and posters in shops, at the station etc, but please help to spread the word by telling others who may be
interested."
Councillor Darren Johnson asks the tough questions others shy from
In response to requests from local residents, Darren Johnson has tabled the following question for the next full Council meeting (we'll report on the response):

What efforts has the Council made to find resources to improve the Brockley Cross traffic junction and pedestrian environment since the four options put forward by consultants as part of the master-planning exercise were presented to officers?
Robo-Mayor Vows to take out Brockley's trash
Lewisham Mayor Sir Steve "Robocop" Bullock made Middlesbrough's zero-tolerance Mayor Ray Mallon look like a whimp, according to icsouthlondon that reports that he has vowed to "take control of the troubled street", by which he means Upper Brockley Road.
The site reports that "Drug-taking and dealing, drinking, shouting, partying and intimidating behaviour have been making residents' lives a misery for years," but that pressure from local people has forced Lewisham Mayor Sir Steve Bullock and police borough commander Alan Pughsley to act.
Sir Steve told the council on Wednesday: "The local authority has used its full range of powers in tackling antisocial behaviour in this area."
The report claims that the police and council will now introduce a drinking control zone in the small residential street.
We'd be interested to hear if this starts to make a tangible difference to something that has long been a problem for many of BC's readers.

52 comments:

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

The garage on Geoffory Road has been sold, and the council want to put in one, bigger roundabout and get rid of the two near the station. This should be discussed.

Brockley Nick said...

Andy, I would love to write about some of this stuff in more detail - any more info available on the web?

If you mean the MOT Centre on Geoffrey Road, that appears to be permanently shut, so it doesn't surprise me that it's been sold off.

Anonymous said...

Sold to the council?

Anonymous said...

Andy, if you have info like this then don't just write one line, spread the good (or bad) word. Also try to qualify your statements with at least an allusion of a source so we don't think that you're a raving lunatic making this stuff up.
What garage? who has bought it? how do you know? when is this supposed to happen? If true, this is a big deal.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

ok, i'll try to do my best.

I have a day job with very long hours (too long) so I don't get to spend alot of time researching into things like this.

Alot of the info. that i'm talking about is nothing concrete so you should consider what i'm saying as hear say.

I'm happy to prove I factually have two bengal kittens though (although the fact that i walk them maybe means I am a looney :o) ).

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Apparently the Geoffory Rd garage is winding down it's car sales (they used to have a full forecourt, last I heard was 6 cars). If this is the case (I havnt checked this out) then that would imply this is the case.

Andy said...

Interesting. Are you referring to the garage that sits on the corner of Upper Brockley Rd and Geoffrey Rd?

That site is ripe for development. I'd been pondering the idea of a group of residents purchasing the site and building a cafe/restaurant/arts centre/gallery with flats to fund the project. It would be community owned and run and would have to offer employment opportunities to locals. No idea if it would be viable...

Anonymous said...

Andy, in your last few posts youve told us that Cafe Nero is opening on Mantle Road, that the post office is going to be sold off, that there is going to be a 24 hr petrol station slap bang behind Coulgate Street and now that the Geoffrey Road garage has been sold off to make way for a new roundabout. If this is all just hear say then i think you need to be really careful about spreading unsubstantiated rumours - it does more harm than good and gets us all worried for nothing.

Brock Chick

Headhunter said...

It certainly would be good to lose that garage - it's a bit of an eyesore, however it would be even more of an eyesore if the site was allowed to go derelict! Hopefully if it does wind down someone will quickly put something there. A nice local development would be good, however it'd probably end up as flats as is planned for the site a little further up Geoffrey Rd towards Wickham. Also, what's going on with that house on the corner which burned down earlier in the year, taking a homeless guy with it. It has been encased in scaffolding for since then

Anonymous said...

Andy Pandy, Brock Chick has a point. Surely you're not basing this roundabout on the assumption that because the garage has less cars on the forecourt it MUST be for sale and therefore the council are Bound to build a aroundabout?

You can only cry wolf a few times.

Anonymous said...

Andy Pandy, this sounds like a load of unsubstantiated tosh. Didn't Nick just disprove your recent posting about the dandelion blue/broca debate? Are you a fantasist?
MIKEY

Bea said...

Andy Pandy could of course really be Georgie Porgie and have a job with the planning applications department at Lewisham Council hence the insider knowledge! Go on fess up “pudding and pie” – either you’re having a laugh or you are a “mole”.

Anonymous said...

or a nutter...

Mr X said...

The mayor is introducing a no drinking zone during December when no one drinks in the street BECAUSE IT IS COLD. Even our mayor can work that out! Therefore the no drinking zone is worthless. People drink in the street during the summer WHEN IT IS WARM. The whole idea of introducing it in December is idiotic. Local residents have repeatedly told the mayor this but he has ignored them. The mayor hasn't used all his powers, far from it. Just ask the people who live there.

Bea said...

Mr X – as it’ll be the run up to Christmas surely there is a strong chance that there will be some drinking in the street? Anyway, once the enforcement is in place it won’t have a “sell by date” – or will it? The enforcement should apply for next summer too and as December is only just over a month away that’s sounds like progress to me.

Anonymous said...

Who ever that MR X is isn't the same MR X as me. I shall now decomission my name and never use it again, and then return as someone else.
Mr X

Mr Z said...

OK, I will be Mr Z. The "no drinking zone" will be in place for up to 6 months and will be constantly reviewed so it may not be in place next summer. The issues in the road are in the summer, drinking outside doesn't really happen to any degree in the winter, Christmas or not. The problems aren't all drink related anyway. The council have known about these issues for years. What they are doing now was promised over 2 years ago. It's taken this long for them to start doing anything positive about it.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I confess..... i'm a nutter! :o)

[or in local west-side talk, nut'ta]

I guess i'll reduce the frequency of my Brockley commentry to a few able posts here and there!

Anonymous said...

There were a number of questions re regarding anti-social behavior at the last full council meeting.

One of sources of the problems seems to be a permanent fixture, so not sure if a temporary controlled drinking zone will provide a solution.

I live in a Controlled Drinking Zone which initially made a significant improvement. But as time has gone on enforcement by police and street wardens seems to have become non existent. Hence the number of drinkers etc has increased and there now seem to be more than when the CDZ was introduced.

Hopefully Brockley will have a better outcome.

Anonymous said...

Oh forget...there used to be someone who travelled on the trains from London Bridge dressed as Robocop, now we know who it was.

Anonymous said...

hahaha, well, he will do anything to get in the papers.

Ratbag said...

Doea anyone know why there are two sets of red and green men lights on the new pedestrian lights near the Brockley Barge? The second set are about six foot up and seem a bit pointless.

Anonymous said...

Ratbag, I think it may be a puffin crossing (pedestrian user-friendly intelligent apparently!)...
dunno why one is so high up though, maybe they had a spare? maybe they're tryng not to discriminate against giants?

leenewham said...

Perhaps there was a pelican crossing...

Bea said...

or a zebra ...

Pete said...

Maybe its for the police horses?

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Maybe it's for hugh (as he stands above the rest of us) :o)

leenewham said...

I thought police horses were colourblind?

lisa said...

The drinking control order thing inspired me to find out what Rokeby House is... so I did:
http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/Housing/ServicePromises/SupportedHousingPromise.htm
Now, does anyone know what the USC CLUB thing is on Manor Ave, about half-way down, red door?

Dom said...

On the site of Rokerby house there used to stand a church. The wall around the site is listed and is the original church wall. It was knocked down in the 1960's in the name of progress where they installed 'new progressive architecture', which is the brick box we can see today. The council are looking into restoring the wall which as been vandalized, is in a poor state of repair, and may also (hopefully) re-instate the original railings that once sat proudly on top of the wall to discourage people from sitting there. Hopefully "robomayor" will come up trumps and carry this one. One can only hope.

Headhunter said...

I've always wondered what that USC club on Manor Avenue is - couldn't find any references in the internet and I never see anyone going in or out....

Sue Luxton said...
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Sue Luxton said...

Yes, it's the United Services Club. Went in there once as a guest of a member. Bit like Brockley Social Club really, only primarily aimed at Services families.

Brockley Jon said...

How did I miss that place? - I only live round the corner (with the drug dealers and the nutters).

So, a new drinking establishment to add to the Brockley crawl! Yippee... I think.

Headhunter said...

So anyone can go into the USC for a drink? I've never seen anyone near the place and I cycle past it twice a day on the way to work and back, and I can almost see it from my front windows!

Cllr Dean Walton said...

I am pleased that the Mayor has finally agreed to take the problems of residents on the Upper Brockley Road seriously. There was a community survey done in September 2006 which confirmed that the problems reported by a few residents was a genuine one, but this survey appears to have been ignored. However both myself & local residents have doggedly hassled the Mayor and he seems now to have acted...only it's years too late and the wrong time of the year...but from a politician's point of view it is an ideal strategy that's almost bound to succeed as no-one will drink on the street during the winter! Result!

It is pretty much a disgrace that despite attempts to date involving 'days of action', the 'bus', 'extra cleansing', 'increased use of CCTV' that no long term solution has come about.

In Feb of this year the local police seargent, PC Taylor proposed a dispersal zone - but was rapidly slapped down (but it hasn't stopped him from getting his picture in the paper this week)...and with no proper alternatives in place the result was more disturbances during the summer. Opposition to the dispersal zone was led by the Cabinet Member for Community Safety, Cllr Crada Onegbu, who was concerned that local people would be effectively barred from reaching their homes. However this was flatly contradicted by evidence which showed that many many of the people visiting the Parade came from outside the borough...but the opposition was still there.

Looking forward, I'll be ready to take up the problems of UBR again if need be.

Dean

Dom said...

Excellent post Dean, totally agree 100%.

Headhunter said...

I live on Manor Avenue, but rarely walk down Upper Brockley. What are these problems that Cllr Dean refers to? Sounds like issues with drinking on the streets?

Dom said...

It's far more than drinking on the street.

Headhunter said...

So the reference to drug dealing was accurate?

Anonymous said...

Doesn't the Upper Brockley road have some kind of (for want of a better word) 'crack house' on it where all the dealers do their dealing?

Anonymous said...

Yes - I live on UBR and the area around Supercuts gets quite intimidating in the summer. I don't think the regulars choose to drink next to those industrial bins for the ambience... The drug dealers arrive in their SUVs with subtly blacked-out windows.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I've seen those blacked out SUV's too but on Manor Avenue. If the police can't get them for drugs those windows are illegal in the UK!

UBR Lover said...

Yes, UBR does have its problems, mainly the drink and drugs outside the aforementioned 'off license', but remember it's a very long road and I think there are some nice things about it - the Wickham Arms is fab, and there is a really good neighbourly spirit (if only because we're all trying to sort out the goings on at the end of the road!)

Anonymous said...

The road itself is great it's just irritating having to go the long way home from New Cross on summer evenings to avoid trouble. The problems are very much concentrated on one spot which ought to make it easier for the authorities to sort out?...

Rita said...

The council have known about everything that is going on down there for years and ignored it. The mayor went down there once to 'see for himself' the problems. Before he came extra street sweepers cleaned it up and they painted over all the graffiti. It's not all bad and it's not all the time, but a friend of mine lived there and she said people come into the area, leave litter, drink, mainly using the rather strange off license and grocery store that doesn't have any prices on anything like a pub. She said the council just didn't want to get involved and that they had been writing for years. It seems a bit better now compared to a few years ago, but it hasn't been a very good summer. Whenever I walk past people have been staring out of the shop at the rain.

Anonymous said...

It sounds crap. We don't get any such problems on the lovely west side of Brockley!!!

Brockley Nick said...

Dean, thanks for your message, it's very interesting to hear what's been going on.

Cllr Crada Onegbu's reasoning sounds absolutely bizarre - how on earth would a dispersal zone stop people reaching their homes? It's local residents who are calling for action. The people causing the problems are (as I understand it) largely from outside the immediate area, rather than local residents.

No dispersal zone enforcement is going to prevent people from going to and from their homes, and if, as you say, this position was contradicted by evidence, then why is there still any argument?

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Maybe everyone should move to the west side - we don't have any drug related crime there... *cough* *cough*

coolwater908 said...

The mayor and borough commander are yet to engage with local people which is thier duty under the crime reduction partnership guidelines issed by the home office(although when this point was raised with the mayor at the last council meeting his reply was 'I don't know about home office guide lines!')
leadership at its best and this is the man who claims to know our problems on UBR time to show your face down here Mr Bullock and get bck in touch with the people you represent.

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Anonymous said...

2 years later-nothing has changed..

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