Brockley Bites - Planning Special

We have a round-up of local planning stories for you now, all of which are sourced from our readers, including one we almost plagiarised from a forum without knowing that the author was actually a BC regular...

Unit 5 - Ashby Mews

The building was demolished by the Council as a dangerous structure following the recent fire - it is now a charred heap. The owners, St Aidan Commercial Ltd, will be billed for this work. Lewisham Council will also be writing to them requesting clearance of the site and the erection of a hoarding to screen the vacant site and prevent dumping. They will be given a reasonable period of time to do this work.

United Services Club - Manor Avenue

This building will no longer be used as a club. Planning permission is needed for any other use. Lewisham Council will encourage the owners to restore it for residential use, rather than allow it to be converted to a church - a use that has been proposed but which is not considered suitable.

1-3 Ashby Road

Developers Ashby Healthcare had their appeals rejected for this site. They had wanted to convert the building in to a "care home" and had been refused permission.

Both appeals (Conservation Area Consent and Planning Permission) were dismissed. The main reason was the size and appearance of the building and its impact on the street scene in Ashby Road.

This will probably mean that a care home development, which according to the developer, was always dependent on scale, would not be viable and it is unlikely that we will see another application.

For those who say the planning system is prone to caving in the face of a persistent developer, this should be a satisfactory result.

The Seager Distillery, Deptford

The residential development plans, which include an 82 metre tower, have been re-submitted for planning approval to Lewisham Council. A revised application was already rejected last year but developers Galliard are back for another go, trying to squeeze more flats in to the low-rise portion.

It's been suggested by some local residents that this is not a suitable site for a "tall" building, which seems odd, given that this site is surrounded by fairly tall commercial and residential buildings and neighbours a high-level DLR crossing and a very wide road. Nonetheless, standing more than 20-storeys high, this will be considerably taller than anything else in the area.

The site has been cleared, ready for construction to begin.


Thanks to JPM and Bolted.


patrick1971 said...

That Seager Distillery thing has been going on for YEARS. When I first moved to New Cross in 1999 it was being talked up as a bright new development. The first plan got the usual suspects out regarding the height of the tower (which I do think is excessive, considering that it borders onto the St John's conservation area and is in the middle of a relatively well-preserved stretch of shopping street), but there were also complaints that it would create a ghetto as it was going to have its own shops and swimming pool.

It all seemed to go very quiet after the first plan was rejected. In the last couple of years I've seen them cleaning the site so assumed they'd got permission for something. Clearly not.

A said...

Here's my own Brockley Bite. Wouldn't it be great if Lewisham's Brockley had something like this other Brockley's?:

What fun!

A said...


Do dah said...

I think we need to really look at the levels of immigration into this country as a whole and migration to London in particular. THIS IS NOT A RACIAL comment, I hasten to add.

How many more tall buildings, how much population density is too much. We're in South East London, yet the trend from so many of the recent development proposals will leave us looking like Manhattan, but without the quality.

And this is what this about, quality of life. I think there is too much change, maybe too much diversity, too fast.

Dan said...

Not planning as such but: work was being done over the weekend on the two adjoining shops on Mantle Road(previously subject of some comment on here with rumours from APP&P or CatMan or whatever he is calling himself this week claiming it was going to be a cafe nero). Mrs Dan spoke to one of the guys working on it who said he and his partner were opening "a greengrocers with some other bits as well".
Can anyone shed any more light on this?

drakefell debaser said...

Good news on the greengrocers for Mantle Rd. Does anyone know what the business that is already there does? It appears nameless..

Headhunter said...

Do Dah - I think the horse has well and truly bolted with regard to immigration! It seems that most people in London are non-native. Not that it's necessarily a problem, but it would have been nice to have had some control/monitoring. Basically the Home Office was (perhaps still is?) "unfit for purpose" and the door was left wide, wide open.

To prevent huge density of population in the south east, the government needs to continue encouraging businesses to locate in northern cities. That would also mean we wouldn't need to build on green belt land around London, which appears to be being considered at the moment.

I have friends in Liverpool and always notice how empty the streets are up there. Central Liverpool has some monolithic Victorian architecture, like London, but does not have the people to populate it.

Lewisham Wayward said...

I hope whatever plans are finally approved for the Seager distillery, that they preserve the historic frontage (given that there's nothing else left to preserve). It would be awful if it turned into a clone of the flats on the other side of the bridge - no matter how much money the residents there have, I can't see much evidence of it having trickled down into the Deptford community.

Danja said...

There is existing permission for the tower etc, but the new developer (Galliard) wants to change the internal layout of the tower, and increase the height of some of the peripheral buildings on the road that goes down to the Stephen Lawrence center.

What remains of the old distillery is being 'death-masked', with a couple of floors tagged on the top.

The Cat Man said...

my views on immigration are well known. Quite simply we need controls on immigration and inflows of foreign money. Immigration has pushed down uk wages (did you know my firm has even stopped training uk graduates as accountants! It's no longer just butchers who apparently are too costly if in the uk etc...) and money restrictions to stop foreign investors buying up our assets (stoping uk citizens affording housing for example).

It's no surprise the BNP are doing so well, many uk citizens feel economically displaced from their own communities due to these effects of globalization.

The Cat Man said...

and good news on the greengrocers! The cafe Nero was a rumour for the block not yet built, so not the same units talked about here.

Are we meaning the new block or the shop next to the newsagents on mantle road?

Anonymous said...

Most of the people who vote for the BNP (which is still a small number) don't even know why they do it, other than because of a misguided notion of "they're listening to what people want".

Not that the other parties' voters are any different of course, but still...

Anonymous said...

cat man, you make me laugh, uk citizens unable to afford homes due to foreign buyers, nothing to do with the monied middle classes buying second homes, pushing up prices in once down at heel areas. Have you ever heard of balanced argument? Probably not with your neighbours drowning you out with R&B, you fool!

Headhunter said...

On the other hand Andy, allowing immigration and therefore allowing UK employers access to a wider talent base at a cheaper cost in theory will help keep a cap on costs and make our businesses more economical and competitive overseas.

Other countries such as France and Germany with more restrictive employment law will be forced to employ more expensive graduates which in turn will push up their business cost base and make their products more expensive overseas.

In a rapidly globalising economy, with the UK having to compete against emerging economies such as India and China, we can't afford to let economic costs get out of control and immigration of cheaper labour could be seen as a step towards making UK plc more competitive.

drakefell debaser said...

Ah, immigrants. It reminds me of a discussion I had with an estate agent in Essex who was of the opinion that the credit crunch had been caused by - all these immigrants coming over here and taking all the credit- so there was none left for ordinary indigenous people like him. All I could do was laugh at him which on reflection wasn’t the best approach but these narrow minded opinions exist and the BNP use it to their advantage just as all political parties do when you look at it hard enough.

Anonymous said...

go on andy, just say it. your voting BNP next time. We all seem to have nailed your opinions long before you have.

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