Little treasures: #2 Moore Grocers


Looking more like a piece of installation art than a functioning shop, Moore Grocers is the last survivor from the days when Upper Brockley Road was a bustling commercial thoroughfare. It gives the impression that it still accepts ration books. Neighbouring shops have been converted to flats, but Moore's endures.

57 comments:

Amanda said...

It is indeed a little treasure, and open til very late. Useful for obtaining emergency packets of crisps. I hope it will stay around for many years to come.

Tamsin said...

But probably not if all people buy there is emergency packets of crisps!

I need some emergency butter substitute - I might explore...

tyrwhitt road said...

It reminds me of those Irish bars that sell a few groceries on the side.....but without the Guinness unfortunately.

tyrwhitt michael said...

That should be Tyrwhitt Michael if you were wondering. I am just more used to typing my address than my blog name.

Monkeyboy said...

BUTTER SUBSTITUTE! Oh the horror...!

I like all my cow products me.

Headhunter said...

What exactly is "butter substitute"? Are we referring to the spread formerly known as margarine?

Brockley Jon said...

I think it's great that it has survived, and clearly the guy who runs it has been there for years!

However, have to say it falls short of my emergency snack requirements. The missus and I popped in for a chocolate fix one night. Unfortunately the choice was between Mars or Snickers, and possibly a Toffee Crisp. Hmmm... those are builder's choccy bars. We longed for a simple Flake or a Dairy Milk.

some witty name will come to me said...

I think that whole row is lovely, it reminds me of Westbourne Grove (before it got Nicole Fahri and Agnes B. obviously).

I wonder if there are any photos of streets around Brockley and Hilly Fields from the late 1800s early 1900s. it would be fascinating to see.

tj said...

we looked at one of the converted shops to flats last year - lots of room - but exceptionally uneven floors packed out, with what felt like bubble wrap. After hearing that Upper Brockley Road has trouble with antisocial behaviour, we were glad we didnt go for it - but is that further up?

Headhunter said...

I think the antisocial behaviour on UBR is up towards the war memorial, out by the front of Cinammon. The bit past the Wickham towards Geoffrey Rd is fairly quiet.

I always forget about this little shop. It's just round the corner, I should use it more often, especially late when everything else is shut. I went in there once with a friend who was visiting. We were looking for some wine or beer and the guy behind the counter was clearly watching us like a hawk. Obviously he thought we looked shoplifting types.

There are loads of old photos on the net of UBR and Brockley in general. Just have a dig around on Google, however there are none that I've found of that specific stretch of ex-shops

Tressilliana said...

http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/main/images-brockley.htm

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lewishamheritage/BrockleyAHistoryInPictures

There are lots of pictures of Lewisham in earlier times on these websites, and quite a few books of old photos around (WH Smith in Lewisham usually has a few, and Lewisham Library probably has some as well). The Lewisham Local History archive is held at Lewisham Library, and you can look at original photos there.

Nina said...

"We were looking for some wine or beer and the guy behind the counter was clearly watching us like a hawk."

He looks at everyone like that, I used to find it disconcerting but now I wave every time I walk past!

Tamsin said...

I don't actually stoop to margarine now I am grown-up and can do my own shopping (I recall it at boarding school - and the strange pibald effect where weekday margarine had been mixed with weekend butter and re-cut into the square blocks put out each tea-time in dark green plastic bowls...). On the other hand my kitchen is so damm cold in winter that proper butter wont spread so I have got used to Olivio, Flora and the like.

Lots of old pictures on various websites - one is spoiled for choice now. The THS have for ages had some of SE14 reproduced as postcards. The most notable thing is just how wide the roads all look without cars.

Anonymous said...

"I don't actually stoop to margarine now I am grown-up and can do my own shopping". Gosh, i suddenly feel terribly inadequate.

Headhunter said...

I've got used to having straight olive oil (sometimes with pesto) or nut oil drizzled over toast. Weird but tasty, all organic of course. Either that or Colmans (can only ever be Colmans) mustard on toast with a lot of black pepper. Mmmmmm...

I do like proper butter and I like it cold so that you almost have to slice it like cheese and leave it to melt a bit on the toast.

Can't abide by low fat spreads. They're mostly water and they just make the bread soggy

lb said...

Now that I'm grown-up, I accept nothing less than dripping or some other rendered animal fat.

Tamsin said...

I make my own bread and it is stolid enough to take a bit of sog.
Agree with lb, though, about dripping. After you've been all healthy and grilled your burgers rather than frying them, wipe bread over the foil (or the grill pan) while it is still warm. (Or keep it in the fridge and then warm it in the oven when you fancy a treat.) Heaven - particularly with a pinch of salt sprinkled on.

Anonymous said...

That sounds really nice, actually

Headhunter said...

Gross. Don't you know the sat fats'll give you a coronary? I suppose it may be OK if it's organic. Actually these days they reckon the hydrogenated fats in margarine and spreads are far worse for you than even sat fats, so on second thoughts...

lb said...

I was actually joking about the animal fats.

On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with dipping some bread in the drippings from frying bacon. Just make sure you take a bit of exercise and you'll live.

I find it strange that people who can't get enough of roast potatoes cooked in duck or goose fat (hell, they were even selling it in Lewisham Way Tesco, which usually stocks hardly anything more sophisticated than Doritos) will squeal in horror at the idea of eating lard. But I guess that's the importance of packaging.

Headhunter said...

I was only joking about the sat fats. A little of anything ain't gonna kill you. Actually I fried up a couple of duck breasts the other evening and roasted some potatoes in the fat that came off them. Potatoes fried in animal fat is so much better than in sunflower oil. Just don't do it too often

patrick1971 said...

Mmmmm, lard...

nsfr said...

An Ulster Fry cooked with beef dripping is a heavenly breakfast.

tyrwhitt michael said...

Its a well know fact that the best Fish and Chips are fried in beef dripping.

Monkeyboy said...

Apparently I read that animal fats are now OK??!! I dunno, it's all so confusing.

I may try the Michael Phelps diet - only 12,000 calories apparently.

Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelette. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise on white bread, plus 1,000 calories of energy drinks.

Dinner: One pound of pasta, an entire pizza and even more energy drinks.

9 gold medals in the bag come 2012

The Cat Man said...

Speaking of food, a daily milk man has started up a round in my area - I now have fresh milk in those 'traditional' milk bottles evrey couple of days. I also have fresh organic fruit and veg delivered once a week.

funny thing is, is that its cheaper than either cost-cutter or my local store.

Has a milk man started a round in the C zone yet?? Its really nice to wake up to fresh deliveries - and seeing the milk float wizzing around!!!

Anonymous said...

Smash-proof glass bottles no doubt for the non-con zone ;)

Monkeyboy said...

Is that a Pot Noodle I can see in the window?

(sorry, not had my 20 posts a day fix so am getting them in)

max said...

Monkeyboy, that reminds me of me last week when I eggs, cheese and bacon leftover of my daughter breakfast just before swimming.
As I was swimming I thought that I had made a dietary mistake but now that I see Phelp's diet I might reconsider and triple the dose.

Headhunter said...

Monkeyboy - I don't think animal fats are quite off the hook, but they have realised that so called "trans fats" are far, far worse. They're used a lot in ready made meals, pies, cakes etc as they have a far longer shelf life than normal fats. They have already been banned in some countries like Denmark. All about trans fats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

Monkeyboy said...

Oh good, my Sunday treat of a big fry up (two rashers of bacon, one sausage, two eggs, fried tomato, brown toast WITH BUTTER!!) has been cleared by the BC food analysts.

I take it your watching the cyclists? That wee 5' woman was impressive in the time trial.

The Cat Man said...

Does anyone know if it is un-healthy to drink alot of milk? I over-ordered and now end up drinking a pint of milk a day!

Tamsin said...

You can adjust your milk deliveries, just leave a note in a bottle asking for none or one less or one extra - whatever.

Dairy Crest deliver all over Lewisham and do all sorts of extras as well (including kilo boxes of broken chocolate biscuits if your are eating (un)healthily) - I was checking them out on-line as I was thinking of seeing if I could get a raffle prize off them for an event next month and all Lewisham postcodes are covered.

tj said...

It's not unhealthy to drink a lot of milk - especially if it's semi skimmed (below 5 or 3%) or skimmed.

Fullfat or gold top and you might just get fat.

The Cat Man said...

ok, thanks

Anonymous said...

Drinking a lot of cows milk is bad for you actually. A pint a day is too much.

working on witty name said...

Tressilliana and HH, thanks hugely re the photos, fascinating.

And yes the roads did look weirdly wide owing to fewer cars. (not that I recommend giving up a car; I see it as a massive freedom previous generations didn't have. controversial statement alert...)

Re food, I cannot abide margarine and am convinced it is worse (for me persoanlly at least) than butter.

Re Phelps, yes he is amazing but not as good as the "Bolter" - 9.69 and not trying in the men's 100m. another level of human performance.

Monkeyboy said...

yeah, he's not bad I s'pose.

Just popped into Woolworth's for the first time in years to buy some shoelaces. Now that's a weird shop, a really odd product mix and looks like it's just been chucked in any old how. I remember them as a kid, they used to have a deli counter as well. I was clad in Woolworth's trainers at school.... the shame of it.

witty name is a work in progress said...

I totally agree MB, what is Woolworth's raison d'etre these days? I remember they had a sort of pick and mix counter with fanatstic sweeties and it was a massive treat to be allowed a 1/4 lb of eg the big peppermint creams.

but now, they seem to dabble in everything...and not in a very successful way from the looks of their share price!

that old dept store at deptford cross looks like it may have had an interesting past....

tj said...

what was a "dept store for the average man" really does need to redefine - I remember it when it did have definable departments. Still I go there to get children's toys and Christmas lights. I wonder if it has now become the average man's Pound Shop?

Tressilliana said...

'I may try the Michael Phelps diet - only 12,000 calories apparently.

........9 gold medals in the bag come 2012'

I don't know how to break it to you, MB, but unfortunately the eating is the easy part, you'd have to do a bit of training too. This is where I fall down.

The keirin races were lots of fun to watch.

Anonymous said...

Woolworths is where you go if you want to pay £15 for a CD or 80p for a can of coke.

Monkeyboy said...

Dunno... that bloke on the little motorbike was cheating. Don't know how he thought he was gonna get away with it.

jon s said...

Woolies has been squezed by supermarkets, the internet, pound shops, argos and not adapting in response to buyer behaviour. Btw, an offer has been made for it:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article4548809.ece

Btw, was in Hampstead today and the old bakery rumbolds is now called Euphorium has become a bakery and coffee shop. Itg was packed. Why not one of those in Brockley?

Anonymous said...

Because last time I checked, Brockley was well served when it came to 'artisan bread' shops and cafes.

Anonymous said...

Size matters to me. I love the fact that I can walk down to the local shops and buy some fresh bread so please don't yell at me for complaining, but why does it have to be so small?

I can barely get 2 sandwiches from one loaf.

Sigh.

Headhunter said...

Back again...

Monkeyboy - Yes, I've been watching the cycling! Finally a sport in which GB can dominate!

Andy - I have heard that too much milk is not actually that good for you. Whilst it has high levels of calcium and some B vitamins, it is quite difficult for the human digestive system to break down large amounts of dairy/cow's milk and it can build up in the bowel as a kind of grey mucus (not to be too graphic). I don't know how much is too much though, it probably depends on the individual.

If you're consuming milk for the calcium content, try to consume it with vitamin C (either in supplement form or a piece of fruit perhaps, but not citrus fruit), calcium and vitamin C molecules link in the bowel and make it far easier to absorb the calcium. The same goes for iron. Both calcium and iron are quite hard for the body to absorb on their own.

Conversely, consuming both calcium (milk) and iron with tea or coffee makes both even harder for your body to absorb. In fact coffee blocks the uptake of a lot of vits and minerals into the system, so it's best not to drink it at least 30 mins before or after a meal.

If you want calcium in your diet, fish like sardines and pilchards (even tinned) are, I think, higher in calcium than milk and are full of fish oils with omega 3/6/9 etc

There you go....

lb said...

The ability to fully digest cows' milk is dependent on the presence of an enzyme called lactase.

The genetic mutation that produces this enzyme only occurred a few thousand years back in northern European populations, and is still absent in many areas of the world, fact fans.

Headhunter said...

The inability to digest cows milk is definitely prevalent in Asia, they have only really been drinking cows milk since the 19th century. I have still heard that milk is difficult for the human body to fully digest in quantity, even in the presence of lactase.

I have heard the same about alcohol, if i ever went out for a drink with my Japanese students, you could guarantee that half of them would barely even need to look at a glass of red wine and they'd be hammered. I think that this is largely due to the fact that in the west, we used alcohol to purify drink, so from a young age people would drink beer to quench their thirst as clean water was not always readily available. We now have a resilience to alcohol, however in Asia, they would boil their water and make tea.

Monkeyboy said...

Will brockley populations develop a resistance to rubbish fast food and White Lightning given enough time?

Headhunter said...

Given time, probably. But by that time, we'll have:
A) Engineered our own destruction through irreversible environmental damage, and the end of our species will be inevitable.
B) Gone off to live in space and started living off alien foodstuffs
C) Engineered our genes sufficiently that everyone is ultra fit and muscle bound even on a diet of White Lightning and fried chicken and obesity is no longer a problem
D) Done away with bodies completely, our immortal brains will live in jars and we will move around on robotic platforms controlled by our thoughts

Monkeyboy said...

Have you read 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley. Written in the 1930's I think. He was WAY ahead of you.

The genetically perfect had loads of sex and drugs. They engineered dullards to do the rubbish jobs. Bit like the Conservation Area and the Dark Side really.

Monkeyboy said...

Have you read 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley. Written in the 1930's I think. He was WAY ahead of you.

The genetically perfect had loads of sex and drugs. They engineered dullards to do the rubbish jobs. Bit like the Conservation Area and the Dark Side really.

The Cat Man said...

Yes, I get loads of sex.

Headhunter said...

Sex? What's sex got to do with it?

I haven't read Brave New World. Heard a lot about it, I suppose I should!

Anonymous said...

gosh, that Bolt sprinter guy is fantastic.

pre 100m final prepartion? 3 hours' sleep and some chicken nuggets.

new world record of 9.69 secs and easing up for last 15m - I think he can go sub 9.6.

Anonymous said...

I just heard this little treasure has closed. I feel guilt, I didn't do enough to support it. I just hope the space remains as a retail outlet of some sort.

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