Where's the money, Lebowski?

Following the recent debate about this year's £10,000 localities fund, here's how it went down.

  • £200 to the Christmas Market
  • £500 to provide a Council services workshop for local people
  • £500 to find out if, where and how a community orchard could be created in Brockley
  • £1,500 to support and grow the Fun Run
  • £1,500 to create a street party
  • £3,300 for our friends the trees
  • £2,000 contribution towards improvements for Friendly Street Gardens
  • £500 for the Brockley MAX
So trees came out on top again, reflecting the balance of opinion on this site. The orchard was a project that got lots of people excited but now needs some more investigation before further funds could be committed. The Brockley burghers have also managed to support the existing local events calendar and a brand new one in the shape of a street party.

The meeting was attended by about 12 people and a general consensus was developed around the ideas. We understand that Ladywell have matched our figures for the fun run & brockley max.
There is a budget of at least £3,300 for new street trees, which will buy around 12-15 for the local area. Residents will be asked to submit nominations for individual spots that are most in need and the sites will be surveyed by Lewisham's tree experts for suitability. In the new year all suitable sites will be discussed with residents and the trees should be in by the spring.
Cllr Dean Walton said:
"A great range of existing and new ideas that should benefit from this year's Localities Fund. The fun starts on 13 December with the Brockley Christmas Market, a good 5 months to get in training for the Fun Run. Along the way we'll investigating whether we can have a community orchard in Brockley."
"Local residents will have a real say in identifying where the new trees will be planted both by nominating sites for consideration and then real participation in which of the suitable sites will actually get new trees. If all goes to plan there's every chance that the new trees will be in the ground by the spring."
"On behalf of the Brockley Councillors, I would like to thank the Brockley Central team and contributors for their help in getting the message about the Localities Fund out and about. Next year the Brockley Assembly will have to take a decision about how to spend Brockley's £50,000. I look forward to your input into that."

40 comments:

Jt said...

Look at how much money spent was spent on trees. Shakes head.

Richard said...

£500 for Brockley Max, but I'm not sure who's running it next year, is Moira involved again?

I'm glad the fun run will be able to establish itself as an annual event, I wasn't happy about missing it this year.

An orchard? Have I missed something or did this suddenly pop up as an idea. Great if possible, I wonder if we could buy Brockley apples?

drakefell debaser said...

Is this money allocated by ward i.e. as some of us live in the west which is the Telegraph Hill ward are we likely to see any of the trees allocated darkside?

Anonymous said...

So grasping

James said...

Glad the Friendly Street Gardens will get a bit of a face lift.

Much better allocation than last year.

Anonymous said...

Would think trees for the darkside would come out of the Telegraph Hill ward localities fund (as Ladywell Ward also has a fund), if that's your ward - hope you got to go to a meeting...

Anonymous said...

Don't put trees in the dark side. They'll only peel off the bark, piss up the side of them and set them on fire.

Anonymous said...

I'd be interested to know more about the "council services workshop" and why so much was spent on it.

can't people call them or drop in?

Brockley Jon said...

Bit dissappointed with only £500 for the Max. I assume there will be other funding from elsewhere within the Council?

Who's going to run it next year? Well, why not Brockley Central! ;) Seriously though, I do want to take a more active interest in 09.

Richard said...

If Ladywell is matching the £500 for BMax that's £1000, which really isn't very much. I remember last year's organisers were talking about much bigger sums, most of which I don't think they got in the end! I think lottery money was something they tried.

Brockley Central would be a good place to start looking for anyone willing to help run it. It was a team of 3 or 4 hard-working main organisers last year and we all know how much they struggled, even with a scaled-back schedule.

drakefell debaser said...

Not heard of any Telegraph Hill meeting regarding money allocation so who knows. Have any other darkside residents heard anything?

I guess if the darkside runs out of trees we will be forced to strip the trees in the constipation area for our bark shoes and fire wood.

lb said...

"I said, we cut off your johnson"

lb said...

Not that Boris is that worried.

Anonymous said...

I reckon the £500 for the 'council services'workshop sounds like a waste of money.

I agree that £500 for brockley max is way too low. Mind you it wasn't well organised last year.

Here's changes I would make.

Be decisive and choose Luxmore Gardens (off Malpas Road) for the community orchard.

Then give the £500 for deciding this to Brockley Max to make it a £1000 and on top of this add the £1500 for the street party to make it a Brockley Max street party.

Finally here are a couple of ideas for next time:
1. a bandstand for hilly fields
2. an open air amphitheatre for hilly fields
To add both of the above to Hilly Fields would make it one of the best small parks in London.
Brockley Jim

Tressilliana said...

Hilly Fields used to have a bandstand. I think it was where the stone circle is now, but I may be wrong. It was apparently erected just before WW1 and destroyed during WW2.

http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/brockley/bandstand.htm

Anonymous said...

The Hilly Fields User group has secured lottery money (lots of it, I think) for the park - and has loads of ideas on how they are going to reinvent - just not sure they have actually asked anyone else but themselves on what should happen to the park. They have a masterplan drawn up - I think most of the money will be going to developing the playground area - to encourage inclusive play; but they have ideas for change on all sections of the park.

Headhunter said...

I do a lot of running but £1500 sounds like a lot for a fun run! I was under the impression that most of the marshals at such events were unpaid so where will they be spending all that money on? I mean they charge for entry don't they? I would have thuoght it would have been pretty much self funding

Comment sense said...

Woah please give evidence about the Hilly Fields getting money. The HFUG begs for people to take part and an interest in what they do, so to say they are just keeping the decision making to themselves is not a fair assessment of the situation.

Tamsin said...

The second Telegraph Hill meeting was in September the third one will be in January (probably in the Barnes Wallis Centre). We are about six weeks or a couple of months behind Brockley in the process (presumably it was being done alphabetically). There is a limited steering group for Telegraph Hill but with, I would have thought, room for more input from anyone interested. Contact Sarah Cooper at the council - the usual e-mail address.

Tressillian James said...

Comment sense - I can't comment on them having money - but at the last Broc Soc meeting, which I did attend, they did mention that they were close to securing Lottey money for the park - perhaps that is where this comment has come from? I think though the Lottery money is specifically for the childrens' playpark and some nature initiatives.

They also presented a 'masterplan' type document for the park that we all looked at - I believe that document has been around for a while. It included plans for most areas of the park.

I can't comment on how they came to the masterplan - it wasn't explained whether they had consulted wider than the user group or not; in the same way I cna't remember how they came up with the plans for the new playpark.

Tressilliana said...

From my limited contact with HFUG, they have to work pretty closely with Lewisham and Glendale or whoever is the contractor now. They couldn't unilaterally change the park without the council's agreeement, and it would surprise me if the council didn't go in for at least a token consultation exercise.

Richard said...

The Brockley Max wasn't very well organised last year, but that wasn't entirely down to the organisers. They took the festival on with only 3 months to prepare so that we actually had a Brockley Max at all.

They perhaps could have spread their advertisement more thinly, but it didn't help that Newsshopper cocked up their flyers. They also complained they didn't get much co-operation locally.

This is why I'm asking now if anybody knows who is organising next years Max - the main problem last year was that the organisers threw themselves at it in January, which didn't give them nearly enough time.

Headhunter said...

I would definitely get involved, but I wouldn't have the time to run the whole thing. I could certainly lend a hand with menial tasks or whatever if someone else takes the reigns and actually manages things...

Richard said...

Headhunter, I'm sure whoever's organising would appreciate people like yourself chipping in. Me, I'll hopefully have a full week of events at JC, so probably won't help with the festival itself. Would like to get down to some of the other events though, might be able to lend a hand once I'm there.

Anonymous said...

January to May isn't enough time to organise things for a June fest, why not?

Richard said...

Because the organisers hadn't been involved in previous years so had to do most things from scratch. They also complained to me they hadn't struggled to secure venues that had been heavily involved in previous years. I'm not sure why this was. I had never been involved before and found the organisers easy to work with, if hard to reach, them being so busy all the time.

Like I say I think they were over-ambitious and made a mistake by putting all their eggs in one basket with their promotional material (newsshopper), but what was organised was organised well.

Anonymous said...

How long does it take to organise a few people sat in a field, a jam night at a local pub and a few people walking around artists homes?

Is Brockley populated by workers from the public sector?

Anonymous said...

As far as I see it, the fun run had costs for:

* Medals
* T-shirts
* Artisan drinks and snacks served after

Perhaps that lot tots up to £1,500

Anonymous said...

Would like to see the fun run go up and down a few streets in the area. How about shutting Tressillian and Tyrwhitt down and using them?

Why did the Fun Run get £1500? The cynical would say that it was because Dean Walton ran in it last year. The not so cynical would say it's because it brings the community together, it promotes healthy lifestyles, and it's great to have a Brockley event. Shame we can't combine it with the Street party though.

Intresting that the Fayre is run every year by Brockley Society without any localities funding.

Tamsin said...

I posted a question on the Suggest a Topic thread asking about likely dates for the Brockley Max and Moira responded indicating she is still contactable on Moria (at) brockleymax.co.uk. Also confirmed the likely dates if they can get the funding (and presumably the help to organise it) would be 29th May to 6th June.

Headhunter said...

I don't know why I'm arguing against the fun run, I do a lot of running and even subscribe to Runner's World magazine, but £1500 seems a lot. I think most runs are funded through entry fees and sponsorship - ie trainer manufacturers setting up tents with their wares, massage tents charging runners for a massage after the run (this was VERY popular in the City 5k this year).

Most 5-10k runs seem to have these types of businesses paying to set up stalls and tents round the start and finish lines. If they've netted £1.5k, I definitely think they should use the money to incorporate a 10k as well as the 5.

Brockley Nick said...

My understanding is that the ambition for the fun run is to substantially grow it next year and offer free entry to younger people, which is why the organisers are looking for this amount of money.

The ambition is to make it self-sustaining within a short time, so that it doesn't require long-term subsidy (like the Summer Fayre).

On that basis, it seems like a very worthwhile investment to me.

Not proper Brockley said...

"The Brockley Max wasn't very well organised last year, but that wasn't entirely down to the organisers."

Anonymous said...

The first fun run, ran on nothing didn't it? I know we had to pay to take part. Were the helpers volunteers? If so surely it wouldn't need that much money.
I'd like to help the next Max but not if its budget is only £500.
Brockley Jim

Headhunter said...

That's what I thought. Most runs are pretty much self financing through entry fees, and charging food sellers, retailers, massage tents etc etc to set up their wares. Marshalls etc are usually volunteers. I think £1500 would make Brockley Fun Run pretty wealthy! Hope they invest the money wisely...

Lep Recorn said...

The organisation of the run last year used the services of a professional outfit (2.09 events??). You also need to allow for costs of signage, insurance, timing services etc. and pay for St John's ambulance to attend.

It would be possible to persuade asics of whoever to pay for a tent in the middle of the city, but not in Brockley until the event had established itself.

Closing roads would also cost in terms of police liason, if not actual costs per se. . .

BUT I would love to see a 10K Brockley run - or even a half.

mintness said...

Despite being just down t' Manor from Hilly Fields, I didn't bother with the fun run this year because I thought the entry fee was somewhat disproportionate for a mere 5K. Double the distance next year and I'll be there with bells on - and I bet I'm not the only one.

Tressillian James said...

Did the trees go in? Can't say I've seen 15 new trees, but then I probably haven't been on every street in Brockely in the past year?

Headhunter said...

And what happened to the Fun Run? It didn't take place did it? Or did I miss it?

Anonymous said...

It did happen but wasn't so well organised this year. It has to be said but BXAG could do with some fresh blood.

Whilst I don't blame them for the fiasco at the station. I do think they could have been a bit more upfront, lobbying and speaking out about what was happening and is still happening.

They should be on this blog speaking to us about the Christmas Market, to improve on what happened last year.

Plus Tea Leaf Arts is associated with them whether rightly or wrongly and it's not working it the way that people hoped.

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