No East London Line on December 23/24

The East London Line is buggered for Christmas. Monkeyboy shares the following tidings from TfL:

No service between Highbury & Islington and New Cross/Clapham Junction/Crystal Palace/West Croydon. 

 Between Highbury & Islington and Dalston Junction: Valid rail tickets will be accepted on London Overground trains between Highbury & Islington and Dalston Kingsland and on local buses via all reasonable routes. 

Between Dalston Junction and New Cross/New Cross Gate/Clapham Junction replacement buses will run. 

Between New Cross Gate and Crystal Palace/West Croydon: Valid rail tickets will be accepted on Southern services. A weekday service will operate on all other routes.

14 comments:

Headhunter said...

For a new rail line, the East London Line/Overground is very consistently "buggered".... Why is it that, what? 2 years since it opened that the ELL is frequently closed at weekends for engineering works? It seems to be quite rare that Brockley has any rail service at all at weekends these days

Headhunter said...

The National Rail website indicates that Southern trains to London Bridge are still running on the 24th... Can anyone confirm that this is really the case and that only Overground trains are affected?

tom said...

Southern services to London Bridge will still run on 23rd, 24th and 27th Dec. The reason the Overground service is not running is so that modifications can be made to prepare for 5 carriage trains. This takes far more faffing around than most people imagine, as Monkeyboy can probably confirm.
In an ideal world, the ELL would have had 5 carriages or more from the word go but then no-one espected it to be as popular as it is..

hmmm said...

Surely the headline should be 'No East London Line on 23/24/25/26/27 December' No Overground trains on all of those days http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/28991.aspx

Southern services will run on 23, 24 and 27 Dec (on 27, LBG-Caterham only, not LBG-Victoria http://www.southernrailway.com/download/30739.8/christmas-services-2013/)

Matt-Z said...

The major bridge refurbishment works near Norwood Junction have caused a few weekend blockades of all the lines between New Cross Gate and Croydon recently. This is due to continue till the spring.

Expect a few more weekend closures on the Overground too - as Tom mentions the 5-car project requires a lot of work at some sations, not least at Canada Water, where room for one extra set of doors to open is going to be found by relocating equipment from cupboards at the southern end of the platforms.

On a wider point the ELL/Overground isn't really a new line, it's some old railways joined up with a couple of bridges. There's always work to be done.

Ben said...

Should be a 6 car project as the extra space will be eaten up immediately by the current rush hour over crowding. We will then be in the same position in a couple of years.

AliAfro said...

Thameslink to and from Crofton Park is running on Xmas eve but trains finishing earlier than normal (9ish). Closed mas day and Boxing day.

The Wickham Man said...

Three words that fill me with awful terror 'replacement bus service' 0_o

anna said...

Garrgh, bah humbug to those of us who still have to get to work on Christmas and Boxing Day. How annoying. Can usually at least get a bus to the DLR on Boxing Day but this year they're closing the Lewisham branch early, at 7.30pm .... sigh.

half-full said...

The Overground was always a cheap and cheerful option coming in at less than a £1billion as opposed to the £30 billion for Crossrail. It therefore did not contain a lot of futureproofing options to make capacity expansion easy.

The problem with any sort of network is that when you add new links there is no way to predict exactly how much it is going to be used. You can try to model traffic flows, but it is a very inexact science trying to second guess public behaviour. New offices and businesses move and so do people.

You can mitigate changes in volume if you build it into the design from the beginning, but that puts up the costs considerably.

As it is, the Overground is quite a success. It has improved the connections across a wide sweep of London boroughs and has proved very popular with the public.

The history of new lines proposed for South East London is often that they never get started and remain shelved for budgetary reasons for decades. The Overground made it. It got built and hopefully its success will encourage more extensions and better service.

My glass may be half-full, but I remember how grim the transport options were in the past in this corner of south London. The engineers did well to provide such a useful service for the budget they had available.

Monkeyboy said...

Money, you need money. Loads of rail projects all competing for limited funds. Being a good idea is only the basis to start thinking about it.

James said...

Thank god for the buses, damn you again Southern and Overground.

Aricana said...

Nightmare! I hadn't realised that there were no overground or southern services today. Think it might still be worth republishing this story for others to see!

headhunter said...

I think the entire UK rail network shuts down for Christmas day and boxing day. They used to run trains on boxing day until about 4 or 5 years ago but then abandoned any kind of service at all from then on...

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