From Maypole to Glasshouse


The Maypole pub or 'Number 1 Mantle Road' (on Brockley Station's west side) is to be replaced by another new development - the Glasshouse (above)


The loss of any pub is always sad but from what we understand about the Maypole before its closure, it was a charmless, divisive hole. However, we're confident that someone will leap to its defence and declare it was simply misunderstood and full of "real" people.


The development that will replace it will join a string of similar developments from the Tea Factory to Bridge House and offers much the same sort of thing to buyers, ie:


"Petite development of eleven, one and 2 bedroom apartments, east of the of the Brockley conservation area. The boutique ‘Glasshouse’ development will marry cutting edge 21st century design with the Italianate stucco and Gothic terracotta detailing."


For our sake and their's we can only hope they do a better job than the battleship grey apartment block that stands opposite...


The developers are MyCityPad and, as the name suggests, their developments are targeted at investors and workers in the Square Mile who value a: "unique and harmonic blend of urban style, eclectic influences and practicality."


Buyers just looking for a place to sleep with easy access to the city via the East London Line may not be volunteering to run many stalls at the Brockley Summer Fayre, but their spending power will help to find tennants for the many new retail units that are being created around the station and their presence will help to bring new life to a somewhat deserted quarter of Brockley, shifting the centre of gravity in the area a little to the West, which is no bad thing.

51 comments:

Brockley Jon said...

How original - there is already a 'Glasshouse' in New Cross! Don't these developers do their homework?

Anonymous said...

It looks exactly like the one which is already there but one door down!

Tell me that Pinnacle building isn't staying, please.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, the existing one is like a Bizarro version of the MyCityPad project.

Not sure about the Pinnacle building.

Richard Elliot said...

You can have too many trendy apartment blocks, but I think we are long way from that point in Brockley yet.

The extra spending power that it will bring to the area will be very welcome. People who will support the deli me thinks!

Hugh said...

The west side of Brockley station is a dump, as we all know. New flats will help drag it out of its misery. The current state of the area hardly justifies snootiness about building design. Locals should be glad developers are interested.

Anonymous said...

Well, don't hold back Hugh. I'm sure you have brightened up the morning of all those who live 'west-side'.

Anonymous said...

Anything would be a marked improvement on a derelict, skanky old pub! And from the prices on the find a property website the flats will be sold (some already gone) to young professionals - exactly what Brockley needs more of - to help support its rapidly growing infrastructure. Bring on the gastro pub!

wtf said...

hugh
Firstly, I live on the west side and take offence to my house being called a dump.
Secondly, your attitude appears to be that beggars can't be choosers. Just because what is there presently is a mess does not mean that we should have to put up with poorly designed and finished blocks of flats (like the one that has appeared next to the Maypole). Not living in the conservation area does not make us second class citizens.

Hugh said...

wtf - great name.

I'm sure your house is lovely. But the area to the west of the station (not the whole area - I exclude, for example, Belgravia and the Americas) is a dump.

The second issue is idly in any case. The developers are here and building what they're building. Personally, I'm happy they're here. The flats may not be the greatest but they represent consistent investment activity on a scale I haven't seen in my three years here. It's gotten so bad I'm thinking of hanging on to my pad as I think its value can go even higher...

Deptford Dame said...

I hope your optimism about the new tenants spending all their money in Brockley is realised. There is a danger that, as the apartments are being marketed as city pads, their residents will spend their money at M&S in London Bridge/Waterloo station of an evening, and take their wallets home with them at the weekend.

Brockley Nick said...

Let's be realistic, the buyers for these properties will not be masters of the universe, they will just be normal people who happen to work in the city (I'd be interested to know how many people who use this site do too, I may even make that the subject of the next poll). I'm sure everyone who uses this blog will use the M&S at London Bridge from time to time, but even people who work in financial services like to have shops, pubs, etc locally.

Monkeyboy said...

Ooooohhh....M&S! I'll be going through their bins hoping to find a leftover organic Ciabata.

I've got a theory actually. You can tell how 'trendy' an area is buy the prevalence of rocket on a retauraunt menu. I believe the aformentioned salad leaf has made it as far as Greenwich and is currently stuck at Deptford. Us Brockley folk have not even seen the great sundried tommato invasion.

Ed said...

I work in Canary Wharf and have bought a flat in the Tea Factory development. I approve of the development of the area but hope it moves at the right pace, is sensitive and keeps the many good things about Brockley (and doesnt turn the area into Clapham which used to be nice). It would be a shame if all the chains move in but one or two would be welcome. Lets hope quality independent business develop/start up; I am sure there are plenty of people who would get their wallets out in Brockley for businesses of the standard of the broca, moonbow jakes and jam circus. A deli, a cashpoint and a gastropub please...

Anonymous said...

How can you argue with Hugh? Perhaps the entire area of Brockley (excluding the conservation area, of course!) should be knocked down; Lets start again - I jest.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick – yes, please, do make a poll about City / Docklands workers living in Brockley! I think you will find it surprisingly high - if the lack of space in rush hour trains is anything to go by.

I am a City worker and rarely use the M&S at London Bridge (partly because I only change there and the one at Canon Street has closed!) ;)

However, I am a big fan of Cost Cutters - great selection at reasonable prices. And the fruit and veg. section has got a lot better recently too! I guess what I am saying is that I leave my money in Brockley and not at Tesco’s, Cheapside. I would definitely support a deli!

As to the Glasshouse ... anything is better than the current bleak and intimidating environment immediately west of the station.

Anonymous said...

I agree; I've recently moved to the area (foxwell street) and I was really impressed with Cost Cutter; it might not have the classiest reputation, but it's still a very good shop. Re. the Glasshouse; anything (within reason) that brings life, light and a bit of retail to that deserted and rough looking street is a huge plus in my book.

Hugh said...

Happy to admit being a city worker (I'm a lawyer).

Let he who is without sin...

Anonymous said...

Won't it be confused with this glasshouse?

http://www.macdonaldegan.co.uk/developments/completed/glasshouse/

And I think there's another new block of flats in central Lewisham also called The Glass House.

Deptford Dame said...

sorry monkeyboy - although rocket might make the menus on the outskirts of Deptford, it has not yet penetrated us fully (ooer!). Even the Bear Cafe, where sun-dried tomatoes and pesto can be seen on the menu, is still a rocket-free zone!

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

The west side of the station is lovely! (besides the immediate street). I'm a professional too - a chartered accountant - I brought west side! :o) Theres quite a few professionals living west now so hugh - be careful not to insult a fellow lawyer :o)

West side actually has much more going for it in terms of price rises if that's what you are looking for (conservation side has gone up alot already) so i'm not surprised the developers are getting on board.

Hugh said...

We all choose what we like, of course, and I think we agree that new flats, coffee outlets, etc. are welcome.

But your argument about prices is weak. Chelsea and Kensington have gone up a lot already.

Kate said...

Oh dear, now I have a dilemma. Do I own up to being a 'City worker'? I work just over the river from the City - but I write about finance. Is that enough?! Oh officially-City workers, please advise me!

(I probably don't get a look-in anyway, however, being one of the evil Conservation Area types ...)

Hugh said...

Your shout, Kate. If you work at the FT, though, well done - great newspaper.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Jon and Anonymous 7 – I do believe you have linked to the same “Glass House” and having had a quick browse round me thinks the flats look very swanky indeed. Be happy to live in the same in Brockley although I might worry about all those trains rushing past my windows!

spincat said...

Isn't rocket already passe? Who wants it in Brockley!

Anonymous said...

West Side Rocks!! The housing stock is INCREDIBLE. Overlook this side at your peril because you can still get an awesome 3 or 4 bed victorian terrace house, doer upper (5 mins walk from the station) for almost the same price as a two bed flat in he conservation area! Its a no brainer. In my humble opinion its potential is huge based on the housing stock alone, why have a flat when you can have a house? Telegraph Hill also has the best views in in the area. Book early to avoid disappointment!!

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

Hugh - I was merely commented on the house price growth comparision between the 'dark side' and the 'light side' in Brockley.

If house prices/flats have gone up circa 60% in the last year on the light side then I stand corrected.

tut tut - trust a lawyer to never understand an accountant! :o)

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Maggie said...

I think I've spied the odd sun-dried tomato on sale in Moonbows! I prefer a sun-blushed tomato myself, but anyway...

It does seem like so many pubs and restaurants try to make themselves instantly 'gastro' by serving things like sun-dried tomatoes, rocket, and parmesan wrapped around everything and anything. But at least it's all yummy.

Hugh said...

Andy, if house prices west of the station have gone up 60% in the last year then the moon is made of cheese.

If the west side has its virtues I don't think adducing fictions helps bring them out.

Yours, smugly, over here in the Brockley conservation area,

Hugh

Anonymous said...

Telegraph hill is expensive property wise, similar to 'light' brockley.

West (OR DARK) Brockley has houses for about 320,000 for one that needs a fair bit of work to in a 1930's house, to 375,000+ for a top notch one. A place like arca road has nice houses, but crowds of people hangiing around and its a bit noisy, bout nice edwardian houses with a bit of work are availiable for 320,000. I think that's expensive.

Yes I am looking at the moment and these are ;fresh' price availiable at all good estate agents near you.

As for prices going up 60% in a year...er, no, terraced house prices were about 245,000 in arica road a year ago, places have sold this year for very similar properties for 320,000. That is not 60%!

Monkeyboy said...

oooohhh.... listen to Hugh, all smug because he has a flushing toilet.

I'd watch it if I were you or I'll dump some old furniture outside your house, you won't be getting YOUR porsche out this weekend.

your truley, Monkeyboy - keeping it real from the wrong side of the tracks.

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

Ok, 60% is a little high, mines gone up 56% since I brought last May! :oP

But anyway's, the point is its a great area so miss it at your peril :o)

Hugh said...

Andy, glad to see the west side isn't burdened by pernicious house-price bores like me.

Monkeyboy, let me know when you fancy a spin in my motor. It's an Aston Martin. The Maserati is in the garage. Or we would discuss setting up a budget film cooperative aimed at documenting the tension between artistic authenticity and material success that seems to drive Brockley debate. Hoodies de rigeur.

Monkeyboy said...

hugh, don't try and throw me with your big words. The Brockly Marxist Front has your number, not to be confused with the Marxist Front of Brockly by the way - dirty spliters.

Anonymous said...

After months of searching Ive just bought a great victorian house on the west side of the trscks, high ceilings, originasl features, an estate agents wet dream. I did look on the east side in the conservation area(long and hard) but where are the houses??? Almost everything has been converted into flats. There is a lot of activity west side too with propeties being done up. It may not there yet in terms of the desirability of the other side but its definately in the post...

Anonymous said...

Breaking ranks: i bought a little flat in the conservation area 3 years ago; happily, it has gone up in value, as predicted, and i love it. But: it would have been better value for money, and a better investment, had i spent a little longer looking, listened less to the estate agents (i freely admit i was a very naive 1st time buyer) and had i considered telegraph hill and the west side of brockers.

Maggie said...

Telegraph Hill is the tops! I live on Pepys Road. I had originally intended to buy in Brockley and am very fond of the place and wander over there often - which is why I visit this blog to stay in the know.

A 60% increase in the value of my flat would be very welcome...! Hmm. There's certainly a lot of house renovation going on in all the T Hill streets. Including in my flat. I hope some of the houses stay entire houses, as glad as I am that some have been chopped up for people like me to have one floor of!

Do people here think that the New Cross Road will change much over time? I don't expect or wish the full gentrification works on the place (after all, not everywhere can be a succession of Caffe Neros, Stradas and Maison Blancs, dear lord no) but it would be nice for some more facilities and inviting eateries and cafes to crop up...

Kate said...

I originally tried to buy in Telegraph Hill, and it fell through, so Brockley was a compromise for me - I wanted a large garden and that's hard to come by. Brockley (conservation area) was more affordable. I didn't know much about the area when I arrived - however, I'm very glad I ended up here, and not just because my house has gone up in value since I moved in 18 months ago.

After all, we're looking at a stagnant or falling housing market over the next couple of years, so let's remember how much we LIKE our homes, rather than how much we like their value ;-)

Anonymous said...

Ahhh...wise words form the fragrant Kate. Is it just me that's slightly in love with her mix of left of center politics tempered with a bit of financial knowledge. Kate, about my pension....

Hugh said...

Hmm, as requested, let's consider how likely it is that the New Cross Road will ever become gentrified. While we're at it, let's wonder how likely it is that Richard Branson will ever work for Acorn.

Poor areas stay rough not because people don't want them to change, but because a lot of poor people live in them. The social consequences of a poor population can't be erased by a few middle class people nabbing the nicer houses and hoping for an organic deli to pop up.

You want Telegraph Hill? New Cross comes with it.

Anonymous said...

I've lived in cities where better-off and not-well-off people are pretty much completely insulated from each other. See: Washington DC, Boston, Chicago -- most US cities, blighted by decades and centuries of racially motivated, mutually reinforcing segregation, disenfranchisement and fear. It ain't pretty.

I LOVE the fact that New cross is on Brockley's doorstep, that Deptford and Woolwich bookend Greenwich, that Notting Hill is right next to north kensington. And that there is social housing and (enough) bookies in Brockley. I'm a homeowner too, and trust me, its better for all of us to live in a city that is as integrated as London, where people who don't have a lot in common DO cross paths, once in a while, at least.

I'm not saying that this rubbing of shoulders is the most meaningful of social interactions, or that its ubiquitous, but it does a lot to keep us all real. And (studies show, over and over again) it is far better for people who have fewer means, to live in places where poverty and deprivation are not endemic. It counteracts the ghetto-isation cycle that you see in most US cities.

Brockley Nick said...

Kate's "left of centre politics"? Have you read her blog? She's a far more complex character than that... ;)

Kate said...

Blimey, Nick, maybe you should start a Brockley Central dating site ...

Anonymous said...

Hugh is right, New Cross road will never be gentrified becasue of the people that inhabit it. It will always be..er...I don' think I can say what I think it's like here!

Maggie said...

Fair enough Hugh, but I didn't say anything about an organic deli.... I agree with Vikki in her response to the more recent 'regeneration' topic when she says that we don't need a row of chi-chi cafes and boutiques - rather useful local businesses that can be used by a wide range of local people!

At the moment the New Cross Road feels very much like a transport hub - which is understandable, given the bus depot and the two train stations - so it can feel very busy, noisy, impersonal and sometimes a bit threatening. With lots of housing being developed the river side of the road etc I wonder whether there is much chance of things changing, with slightly smarter shops and cafes where people might amble and sit rather than just thronging past!

Also I agree with anonymous's point that we should avoid too much segregation - but I think that if the New Cross Road were a bit more approachable and more of a local hub for shopping and the odd cafe it would help in this respect. Wishful thinking perhaps, especially given the size of the road.

At least we have the wonderful park where everyone can hang out!

Anonymous said...

Telegraph Hill is undoubtedly loveley but it is a bit pricey. For people like me who cant quite stretch that far, there is an area, (a sweet spot) of excellent homes between the west exit of the station and Telegraph Hill, which are still, just about, for London, affordable.

Anonymous said...

s great what's happening in Mantle Road in terms of the potential for all the development planned to bring more safer, street life to the stretch. However, we've just learnt from lewisham planners that the developer has not been asked to contribute a penny from their profit for this scheme towards wider improvement for Brockley Cross or the Brockley Common. What a wasted opportunity!

Stuart, Brockley Common Convenor

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I have to be honest, i think the lewisham planning team are quite incompetent - look at what they are doing and its very obvious to see! I mean, yucky grey apartment block on mantle rd? crappy development proposed for lewisham central? no local contributions to brockley cross development? no development framework? what exactly are these guys doing all day... I think all the talent in terms of planning went to the more prosperous councils like westminster...

LEWISHAM COUNCIL PLANNERS - IF YOU READ THIS, PLEASE WAKE UP!

Anonymous said...

I wish the council would open up the entrance to station on mantle road and make it a little more appealing. Why does it need the high walls? Why can't there be steps straight down to the platform? Perhaps with all of this development happening on mantle road the idea will occur to them.

Theresa Stevens said...

Really enjoyed reading your comments on the divide of Brockley.... we used to blame the Bridge for the difference between West side / East side and still glad it has kept that charm.

My husband was a west side (St.Norberts Rd) boy and I was an East side Girl who lived from 1960-1982 in (Malpas Rd) which my parents sold their Victorian 3 bed house for £60,000 when they moved to the coast... classed as (DFL's) Down From London!. Even now they still regard Brockley with such fondness and it was what they called home.

I remember there was bomb sites where we played (now blocks of flats. The Maypole Pub and the road behind was a scrap merchants/car breakers. So, I believe the new property situated there is 100 times better than what was there before...

What I also used to like was when someone asked where I lived, I would say Brockley and they would have a blank expression to which I used to say "it's in-between New Cross, Lewisham and Forest Hill" as they knew where those places were!

Here's to cafe culture in Brockley... WHAT!

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