Jude Court report

It seems that Jude Court, the new Mantle Road apartment block, will be occupied by BC readers. Over the last few months of construction delays, plenty of BC twitterers have been wondering when their new home will be ready. Now, 'Jude Court Resident To Be' has written to say she can confirm a couple of key details about the project:


I visited what will be my flat in Jude Court today for the final inspection, and was informed then that NISA is taking the whole lower ground floor. I asked why NISA, seeing as there's one about 100 meters down the road, and nobody seemed to know. Apparently it's different people running the shop, and that the shop windows will be sorted out next week.

It's obviously a duff choice, seeing as the flat doesn't come with parking, I would have been delighted to be in a position to sell my car and still be able to get a varied and good quality supply of fruit and veg on my doorstep, but there we go [Editor's note: The Broca Food Market does a good job in that respect].

I have been told that I should be able to move in at the start of August. They're taking handover by the end of this month, and a few tenants will be moving in then.

I was also told yesterday that a high number of the people buying flats at Jude Court are from Brockley, which they told me is not typical of most of their developments.

Perhaps these other residents felt the same as me; I love being in Brockley and wanted to do something before I was even further priced out of buying in this area on the open market.

36 comments:

The Cat Man said...

NISA? OMG thats terrible :( Where are all the rich people supposed to shop?

Brockley Nick said...

Oh Catman, please don't try so hard to cause offence.

Headhunter said...

Cat! Haven't seen or heard from you in ages! Cat got your tongue?

Anonymous said...

1.You have a matter of feet to walk to get to a station platform. 1 stop and you are next to a big supermarket. Fairly simple.
2. You have 484 bus stop on your doorstep to whisk you to Lewisham town centre.
So, no car required to get to all types of food requirements

Anonymous said...

I had hoped for something better than another crud mini market.

Is this really the image that the developers wanted to project for the building?

I wonder if it will affect the marketability of the flats in the short term and the prices of the flats longer term.

I wanted more for west Brockley.

Brockley Nick said...

Better that than an empty unit.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering, Cat Man, when you say 'Where are all the rich people supposed to shop?', do you mean that Nisa is cheaper than Sainsbury's etc.? I'm *really* surprised! I'd have thought that it would have been the other way around. And no, I've not been to Nisa - purely cos I'm the CostCutter side of the tracks :) Should I be going there to save money?

Anonymous said...

If that becomes a Nisa then what will become of the other Nisa? Can the area sustain two within 40 yards of each other? IMHO I doubt it.

TM said...

I thought tenants of Jude Court had to sign an undertaking not to have a car or am I gatting mixed up with another West Side block?

drakefell debaser said...

Maybe it is the same guy who runs the current one taking advantage of a better premises.

Not sure what the problem with Nisa is anyway, it is the independent retailer who runs it that counts and we should wait and see before concluding that it is going to be rubbish. No different to Costcutter on the other side of the station.

It's not like the WHOLE ground floor is going to be stocked with cans of Stella for a fiver, fags and Twiglets as some seem to believe so far.

And if it is rubbish then there is Broca FM for veg, a Sainsbury's in New Cross less than a mile away, several options on Lewisham Way, less than a mile away, a new Coop opening up less than a mile away.

Hardly stuck for choice.

The Cat Man said...

I bet the existing NISA next to BFM will close - lets hope a nice bar or something will open :)

Anonymous said...

On the whole i think its a good thing - will bring much needed life to that side. Also I feel for Clarkey's that the development has taken so long - he must be desperate for that block to become populated to give him a more favourable footfall.

Anonymous said...

CATMAN - it won't so stop dreaming bollox.

Brockley Nick said...

Good point re: Clarkey's and Bohemia too. When they first moved in, they said they were looking forward to the building being finished.

Mouse said...

@ TM - Not being in a CPZ, there's no scope to get occupiers to sign an undertaking not to have a car. It can only effectively be done in a CPZ by restricting access to permits.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with NISA? All the ones I've been into have a selection of fruit and veg and they're run by their franchise owners.

Is it because none of it comes in a twee packet?

Tim said...

Let's be honest. Waitrose would have been great, but was never going to happen.

TM said...

Mouse

Here repeated is what I was alluding to, but as you say how can such an agreement ben enforced?

Posted on 21 June 2011 23:51

Thomas Hardy said...
"where is everybody going to park?"

"For Jude Court, everyone wanting to reserve/bid for a flat had to sign a waiver confirming that they understood that there was no parking available and would not require parking."

Over to Ed CPZ

FrFintonStack said...

"1.You have a matter of feet to walk to get to a station platform. 1 stop and you are next to a big supermarket. Fairly simple."

Have you actually been to New Cross Sainsbury's? Their fruit and veg selection's pathetic at the best of times, if it's in season they don't have it (why would they? they can't get away with 100% markup if its cheap and plentiful), if you arrive after about half six, they've bugger all left (just try buying mushrooms), and its ludicrously expensive (£1.59 for a small cauliflower? get to ****). Still, if you want fifty different varieties of sugar-encrusted wheat pellets or curry sauces that you could make yourself with six bags of ground spices and a little ghee and yoghurt, it's your places.

As for Lewisham market, fair enough. Except the whole bloody bowl thing pisses me off no end: I'm not prepared to buy tons of food I'm going to end up throwing in the bin, even if it does work out cheaper than buying less from somewhere else.

Still, generally you're right. No need to have a car in Brockley for shopping.

Should have gone to spec savers said...

Must say I have never had a problem with Sainsbury's fruit and veg myself. I have also managed to find loads of other useful stuff to eat and use amongst the boxes of sugar crusted wheat pellets, spices and curry sauces.

FrFintonStack said...

"Here repeated is what I was alluding to, but as you say how can such an agreement ben enforced?"

Does Brockley have residents' parking? (I don't know because I don't have a car.) If it does, you won't be able to get a residents' parking permit for an address in a car-free development.

BreakspearsEagle said...

As has already been mentioned the quality of this store will depend on the franchise operator.

Therefore, if the new Nisa operator reads this can I make a request for lots of fresh fish and fresh meat.

I find this the toughest thing to buy locally - I generally find Costcutter is pretty good for most things, while Broca usually has what Costcutter doesn't have.

Maybe this can turn into a request-a-product thread.

FrFintonStack said...

Fresh meat, definitely. Costcutter's selection tends to be Danish rubbish, Broca's expensive organic. There's definitely a need for a compromise. Would be good to be able to pick up good fresh meat, bacon and sausages without having to head down to Wellbeloved's. It'd be great to see a proper butcher's open, but I fear that's unlikely.

Anonymous said...

Good luck with the flat. As a building suveyor that walks past every day, I haven't see such a poorly constructed pile of sh*t in a long time. If you took away the expanding foam it would fall over!

Another BS said...

At least now it's finished it's much less likely to burn to the ground - look up timber frame.

Anonymous said...

I'm moving in there, too! Hence posting this as 'Anonymous' - because if you look up from the bridge over the railway, you'll probably be able to see me in my jimjams. Seriously, though: the flats are nice on the inside, and I'm excited about buying (well, part-buying) my first place in Brockley.

Tressilliana said...

There'll be a new Co-op branch half a mile down the road soon. That will probably stock fresh meat and fish, given that the insanely cramped one in Crofton Park does. With any luck, the Honor Oak Estate branch will manage to keep a better range of apples and not have the aisles jampacked with stock waiting to be put on shelves.

Thomas Hardy said...

I'll be honest here and note that I cannot remember exactly what the waiver said, but it did say that I understood that there was no parking available (I don't have a car, so didn't commit the thing to memory). But those BC readers concerned that the streets will be filled with Ford Capris when the building is occupied can worry a little less.

The building is completely sold/rented now.

Anonymous said...

Jude Court? Perhaps a better name should be Formica House. How long will this building last? 30 years? Glad I am not going to have to foot the bill for replacement formica in 10 - 15 years time!

Anonymous said...

A few corrections seeing as the quote Nick provided from me has kicked up a hornet's nest.
Firstly, I don't drive a Ford Capris (I'm moving into affordable housing!?) - I drive an old banger. On the insurance are two other Brockley residents, so we car share. The car will not be parked near the flats, but (legitimately) outside the home of one of the other drivers. I am also considering selling it.
In taking on a flat at Jude Court it doesn't become 'illegal' to have a car, it is just a waiver to confirm that the tenant knows there is no dedicated parking.
I am sure many of the other soon-to-be residents of Jude Court are not that excited by the architecture. But what's my choice? Leave Brockley or stay in Brockley? It's a start. It's disappointing that there seems to be little support or interest here that it appears to be mostly people from Brockley wanting to stay in Brockley by moving into Jude Court. Surely this is a good thing?
Lastly, fair point about the co-op. I didn't realise how big it was until I walked past the other day.
Now, back to my packing..

beep said...

I just think people are feeling a bit wary about another set of flats in the area. It's a pity that more road space, nursery places, rail services, park space can't be conjured up, because all that more flats essentially mean is more people to compete for amenties with.

Anonymous said...

More kids mean more people to compete for amenities with too. Who's going to stand up for hard working bachelors in the next election?

Brockley Nick said...

More road space? Few will have cars. More nurseries? Few will have children. More trains? We've just had a massive increase in rail capacity. More park space? Our parks are lovely but certainly not crowded.

MB said...

I wouldn't worry about random comments on a local Blog. Some people complain that the area is only attracting rich city boys displacing the good honest ship builders or sumfink, others are complaining about flats that people can actually afford so 'putting a strain' on local services (actually if you can afford a mortgage it means that you will be paying council tax and are unlikley to be claiming signifficant benefits or otherwise drawing on many local services...a net win for the area).

Both are wide of the mark, but yes, draw your curtains unless you want to give every one a show when you walk around your flat naked. Wouldn't want to distract early morning bridge users.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know who is moving in the bottom of this building? I thought NISA were supposed to move in 2 months ago? A sainsburys would be much better

More flas said...

I see that the wall is being rebuilt on the temporary office site by the footbridge. Presumably the lease is up on that site, so another very sizeable space will be up for grabs bt the station. let's hope it won't be turned into another huge block of flats. does anyone know if there are any plans for this yet?

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