CPZ creep planned for Ladywell and Lewisham

As dawn broke, the Worm uncoiled its snaky twine from around the hill, and came to its rock in the river... it lashed the waters in its fury and wound its coils round the Childe, and then attempted to crush him to death. But the more it pressed, the deeper dug the spear-heads into its sides. Still it pressed and pressed, till all the water around was crimsoned with its blood.
- The Lambton Worm

The Ladywell Society has unearthed the NOC List and knows which local roads will be subject to a consultation about the extension of the Ladywell CPZ, which has caused plenty of problems since it was first introduced.

The idea is to expand the CPZ, to relieve the pressure points that the original zone created in the first place. We don't know why they swallowed the fly... something about someone being unable to park outside their house and struggling with shopping bags kicked this whole saga off.

Here's the list of roads that could find themselves with a CPZ - it will create a single zone between Lewisham and Ladywell:

  • Arthurdon 
  • France Mary 
  • Phoebeth 
  • Ladywell 
  • Eastern 
  • Algiers 
  • Veda 
  • Vicars Hill 
  • Cliffview 
  • Fossil 
  • Ermine 
  • Brookbank 
  • Overcliff 
  • Shell
Local resident Dougie, who forwarded the list, writes:

"When I was consulted on the local CPZ in my area I was against it as I knew it would just push the problem further up the road which is now happening. The sad thing is is that Lewisham council will not consider a cheaper option for any resident such as a 2 hour restricted parking to stop commuters because it is not cost effective. The consultation is coming in September 2014. Where will the expansion end?!"

73 comments:

Headhunter said...

It seems ridiculous that Lewisham BC will not consider the 2 hour restricted parking option which has been mentioned here before... The only reason I can think is that they know that CPZs bring in revenue.... CPZs just seem to be a slippery slope, much as I feel for my neighbours with cars who are unable to park outside their homes, CPZs are like a spreading virus....

Anon said...

Won't the 2 hour restricted parking apply to residents, how would it be enforced?

Headhunter said...

And so the CPZ creep would begin... Once you make the streets around the station CPZ, people simply park a bit further out and then those streets too have to be CPZ etc etc.... I haven't got a car so I don't care that much but on balance I am against CPZ, I don't want the hassle of having to apply and pay for permits when I get a builder or electrician round or when a friend who drives wants to pop in for a few hours....

Headhunter said...

Yup and once the CPZ is in place, the cost to residents goes up and up in inflation busting increases.... And will there really be a cut or lower increase in council tax? I doubt it....

Newby said...

To be fair council tax rises have been eliminated by central government of late but i take your point.

terrencetrentderby said...

Stealth taxes like CPZ's will make up for council tax "freezes". More money in the pot to grease the palms of the likes of Conway etc.
Maybe Lewisham will merge with Southwark one day, they were talking about creating mega boroughs on the TV. Certainly good news for the tax payer, I won't miss those monkeys in Catford.

Rhymer said...

We do. Coulgate Street (which should be pedestrianised) a dangerous, unpleasant carpark for Zone 4 commuters. And other roads (Cranfield, Harefield, Foxberry, etc) are filled with commuters' cars.

Neilgadhok said...

We should start a campaign re the 2hr option. Bromley has it and seems to work well. It's so disruptive for grandparents picking up/dropping off kids, electricians etc to have all day restrictions. Unless that's just me?

peaked cap said...

The council did undertake a review of parking in the borough in 2013 - you can look at the pdf here:

http://councilmeetings.lewisham.gov.uk/documents/s21863/Parking%20Policy%20Review.pdf

It contains passages such as this:

Conclusions

6.9.1. Fundamentally, the policy review concludes that CPZs are the most
appropriate solution to manage parking pressures in residential areas and
should be introduced with the support of local residents. As an inevitable
consequence of CPZs, the policy review will aim to manage over-spill as
effectively as possible.

6.9.2. The new policy will aim to minimise the effects of over-spill in a number of ways. Firstly, to help ensure that CPZs cover the right area, consultation will include residents affected by both existing and potentially displaced parking pressure.

6.9.3. Secondly, in order to encourage higher take-up of permits among residents on the edge of zones, the charges associated with CPZs have been reviewed.

6.9.4. And thirdly, the review will consider shorter operational hours of CPZs; this will allow greater dispersal of parking pressure by displacing only those who wish to park all-day, generally commuter parking.

6.9.5. As well as minimising the effects of over-spill, the new policy will also aim to enhance the responsiveness of the current CPZ review process to ensure that residents affected by displaced parking are consulted and agreed solutions are implemented.

and this:

6.6.3. When CPZs are introduced, people often choose to park in the areas
surrounding the new zone, so an element of the parking pressure is
displaced, or “over-spills” onto nearby streets. This creates problems in
neighbouring streets and can become a divisive issue within local
communities.

AliAfro said...

I hope this CPZ doesn't continue to spread or I may have to convert my front garden into a driveway...

peaked cap said...

if you're on the edge of the 'consultation to proposed extension' then you better get those blokes who knock on your door and 'have got a bit of asphalt left over from another job' to get busy - expect weeds a further year after that

Vicar's Knickers said...

something about someone being unable to park outside their house and struggling with shopping bags kicked this whole saga off.



Not exactly. Commuters parking for Ladywell station and users and staff of Lewisham hospital, in Vicar's Hill anyway.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, but the original CPZ was introduced in response to lobbying from a relatively small group of residents, whose primary complaint was that the level of parking demand made it difficult to park outside their houses and thus required them to walk further with shopping. Using a CPZ to remedy this problem has created a massive mess, as far as I can tell.

Damian said...

Cheaper/more parking at lewisham hospital (I had to park there once, cheaper to go private) and a 2 hour restriction would solve most/ all of the problems surely? As for the "I can't park outside my house" brigade, there's one on every street, 2 on mine

Vicar's Knickers said...

That may be so, however on Vicar's Hill we had a genuine problem that needed sorting out. I do understand that the problem gets shifted. I would be in favour of more restricted access to residential streets as a way of controlling non residential parking.

Monkeyboy said...

my dad used to place a cone on the road outside our house, much to my embarrassment.

t'mill said...

the Ladywell CPZ has brought out a level of selfishness and short-sightedness that is quite remarkable. On the bottom of an email i received a while ago a resident of algernon road sums this up very well:

"I’m very keen that the cpz should stay for Algernon Road – assuming that the consultation is about whether it should be removed or not. Parking used to be a nightmare, not an issue now."



This selfish person may be alright but people living on the edges of the CPZ have been, and continue to have, a nightmare with parking problems and this isn't going to be solved by an expansion of the area, it's just going to be pushed outward even more. Everybody knows and understands this but the Council will press on with ridiculous conclusions.


The problem is, and it's a widespread one not only at local council level, but government and industrial levels as well, is that it doesn't matter how bad the plan might be that is put into action, good examples of this is rising train fares and developers running rampant with 'housing solutions', the problem will be 'solved' by middle managers and PR companies who seek to resolve situations with lies, 'spin' and obfuscation. The public have to suck it up whatever happens.


In the case of Ladywell the local councillors will take the flak and simply say they are powerless in the face of a mayoral dictatorship (which they are of course, but the mayor has always put the needs of industry before residents, in the case of the CPZ it's that the enforcement company doesn't want the hours of the CPZ to be anything other than all day).

Newby said...

These charges can be quite high though in some cases several hundred pounds per year when visitor vouchers are included, more if you have multiple vehicles. In my case this is a charge I will happily pay for a bit less inconvenience but for some this will be a burden. Resident charges are a regressive tax pure and simple. It also leads to the question as to why a resident has more right to park on a road than say a shopper or commuter? All drivers pay equally for road tax indeed commuters pay more via fuel duty.
It would also aid parking if drivers could actually park with other road users in mind, ie not right in front of their properties regardless of where other cars are parked!

AliAfro said...

Errr. thanks? But.... I don't like weeds and asphalt would need planning permission. So I think those guys will have to find another use for their spare asphalt.

Headhunter said...

Of course you forget that "road tax" as a fund for roads does not exist. Winston Churchill ended road tax as a fund dedicated to roads in around 1936. Roads are paid for by local council tax, apart from major red routes which are funded by central government. Motorists do not pay for roads, everyone does - cyclists, pedestrians, horse riders - as long as they pay council tax. Motorists pay Vehicle Excise Duty which is levied on pollution/emissions... Electric cars for example, pay noe "road tax".... VED is used by central government to fund anything from nuclear submarines to schools and hospitals...

Pete Thornton said...

We moved away from London a year ago but before that we lived on Algiers road. The introduction of the CPZ has led to a lot of aggravation on that particular street. I've seen people have shouting matches and the scum that live at the top of the road have physically threatened people for parking outside their houses.

I would pretty much guarantee that the residents of Algiers road will vote in favour of the CPZ but I think it is a great shame that it had to be introduced in the first place. I appreciate that people on a few streets had parking problems, but now everyone on every street in the area with a car will be several hundred pounds a year worse off.

So pleased that where I live now isn't so hideously overcrowded. Even if I do miss delis and fancy fast food :-)

terrencetrentderby said...

Where is the fancy fast food?

the chef said...

Top Chef, Ladywells finest eating establishment

Pete Thornton said...

Central London...

Mike Acord said...

I would love to have a cpz on my road (ladycroft rd) because I am sick to the back teeth with people putting their bins out thinking its their god given right to save a piece of road for themselves.

Gu Est said...

I dream of a world with CPZ all around where commuters pay their train fair instead of parking in front of our houses.

Just a dream

Jim McG said...

I am an atheist however I do worship my space outside my house... PS shave the beard!

Damian said...

Yep, seen that many times too. Some don't seem to realise that if you can left a cone into the road, someone else can lift it back off again

bobblekin said...

Surely the objectives are to keep commuters from clogging up the roads for residents and shoppers? So the 2 hour restriction is the right action and local residents and shop owners are given a free pass to display in their car to exempt them so they can keep their cars there all day.

Newby said...

Yes I have two. I try and park either in front of someone else's house or make sure I use up two spaces. It doesnt bother me if I have to pay to park, I just think regressive taxes shouldnt be used to solve a problem that could be solved with zero cost for residents. My memory is hazy but i am pretty sure the Labour Party objected to the Poll Tax no?

officer dibble said...

If you have two cars you'd have to use two spaces anyway (unless they're both german-era bubble cars or reliant three-wheelers) - but good on you for parking in front of your neighbours houses - put your bins in front of your house as well? That's a good chap.


The road I live on is half in and half out of the CPZ, there's some twerp who lives in the CPZ who has a ruddy great big 4x4. He parks it in the non-CPZ area instead of shelling out – what would be for him the price of a tank of fuel – for a permit. Quite shameful really.

Vicar's Knickers said...

Algiers Road is one of the worst affected and all parking bays are always full and I fully sympathise with the residents.
The so called 'scum' at the top of the street maybe on borrowed time judging by the amount of nitrous oxide being consumed recently.

gossip said...

I'd like to hear some more about the 'scum that live at the top of the road' - sounds interesting! Details please!!

taxing times said...

I see it is £120 a year and £1.40 an hour for visitors in Lewisham. Other boroughs like Lambeth are more expensive. Many are cheaper. One thing is sure, these things don't go down in cost.

Aha! I see a doughty anti CPZ campaigner are a got a result up in Barnet.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/councils-cant-use-parking-to-raise-revenues-after-landmark-ruling-by-judge-in-barnet-8725970.html

Vicar's Knickers said...

Just had ten, one hour parking permits through from Lewisham Council this morning for Ladywell CPZ. These are included in the permit price.

top of the hill said...

Presumably, Vicars Knickers, you live on the lower half of Vicars Hill, where there is a CPZ operating - is this the first time you've had free visitors permits?

There is a clause in the parking review that makes this a possibility, perhaps the council has put this into action:

7.13.1. The policy review therefore recommends, for resident permit holders, a range of concessions for visitors, including a reduction in the cost of weekly visitor parking permits, and a book of ten (1-hour) visitor parking permits free of charge on application.



Interested to hear a reply from you

Vicar's Knickers said...

Yes, this is the first time we have been offered/sent visitor permits. They are obviously not free as we pay for the permit in the first place. I am just wondering if this softening up is precursor for a large increase in the cost of the permit. A friend of mine lives in Lambeth, and his permit was as low as ours when it first came in, £60 if I remember correctly, now it is linked to vehicle emissions and is over twice our permit cost, and he just has an average oldish car, like mine.

Tressilly said...

I live on Phoebeth Road, which is the first road west of the ladywell cpz, and a short road, therefore totally affected by the commuters parking all day for the station. They circle like wheeling vultures from 7 onwards and dive in a space as soon as a resident buggers off in the car. Yet I'm slightly torn on the issue. I don't feel entitled to park outside the house (and I laugh when the neighbour moves one of their two suvs 10m to be outside their window), but it can be annoying when there's no spot on the whole road, you have a load of stuff and kids to unload and you know they're all lazy/cheapskate commuters (in my head that is. I've yet to ask where any drive from). My wife would have the cpz like a shot, stemming from having no space anywhere nearby to unload baby, toddler, all their crap, shopping, and she hates that she leaves for 20 min and the space is gone. But I don't want to pay or have the pain in the arse for the occasion we have visitors etc. Trades are usually in all day if they're doing a piece of work, plus we have grandparents doing childcare once a week. So i don't know how the 2 hour option would work either. Got to be painful for permits?

Tamsin said...

That's the trouble with CPZs - an unintended consequence. Paved front gardens, water run-off, heave etc. Luckily it can't be done in a conservation area.

Tamsin said...

Exactly - without a CPZ things (except near trouble spots by stations which should be dealt with by Bromleyesque 2 hour anti-commuter restrictions) trolley along quite happily - with a bit of give and take and coxing and boxing. But once you pay for the permit (and it is sometimes the case that more permits are issued than there are actually spaces for the cars to park) you feel damn well entitled to park outside your house. Next step, scum from the top of the road and slashed tyres.

Tamsin said...

They will believe this even more once you are all paying for permission to park.

Pete Thornton said...

There are a couple of families that live at the top of Algiers road who are a bit "rough", they've been known to burgle people on the street. One of them drives up and down the road like it's a race circuit etc.


Other than the speeding I've never personally had a problem with them but they're not particularly nice to live near, but then that's life in any big city for you.

stevedo said...

Yes and No.

Yes, everyone pays for roads, including those who do not have cars.
No, in London Council tax is not used for roads.
(Council tax is a very small part of each council's funding. - not nearly enough to cover schools for example, let alone social services, libraries, parks, ...)
Road maintenance is funded from central taxes, and reaches borough councils as annual grants, usually via Transport For London.
All normal roads in London are assessed periodically for surface 'pavement condition'. Each year the worst condition roads are addressed, usually by re-surfacing, and sometimes with reconstruction.
A council I worked for 10 years ago had a £30m backlog, and that did not include repairs to footpath/sidewalks.
Unfortunately priority lists are meddled with by politicians, so streets in well-to-do areas tend to be in better condition than streets in poor areas.
(Same with street cleaning - some residential streets are cleaned daily while others are once a fortnight.)
Of course other sources of funds can apply for road maintenance, such as levies on developments, regeneration grants, and some safety funds. So town centres get tarted up from time to time, and some residential roads languish.

stevedo said...

'people simply park a bit further out' has a limit, as the mayor and council transport staff well know.
CPZ expansion suggestion is likely to re-occur only until the walk distance to the railway station is longer than say 12 minutes.

Dougie said...

Exactly right although nice, you haven,t got the right to park outside your home. The problem here is that in their consultation that the council send out they ask you if you have any other ideas or suggestions but when its suggested about a 2 hour restricted parking zone in your reply (I have done 2 over the years) these ideas are dismissed totally. It is all about money and LBL will not be happy until all roads are covered in the borough. It does push the problem to other roads and does not stop the hassle for everyone..... Oh and don't forget when hither green lane voted for a CPZ it started at £30 each and is now a whopping £130 per annum. How much next £260, £450? its not Chelsea we are living in here !

dougie said...

Conway? Have you seen the state of the road over the top of Vicars hill lately its like a war zone with holes everywhere. The council don't spend the cpz cash on the roads though....

dougie said...

Exactly look at the new 20mph speed zones everywhere great idea but are we going to see a police car on every street or cctv cameras on every street to enforce it? Of course not just more money for more street signs and more speed humps. Did you know that almost every rd in the Lewisham borough has these humps !

dougie said...

Mmmm... Most of the culprits actually work for the council at wearside depot in ladywell. I see them everyday turning up to their cars in vicars hill and ermine rd driving their Lewisham homes vans putting in their plunder from work..... Its amazing what you see. The chairman of the ladywell society kicked all this off in Algernon rd years ago.....

dougie said...

well said t'mill. The mayor actually has said that he will not enforce the CPZ if residents do not want it (I have an email to prove this from his 2nd in command andy williams). HOWEVER.... recently the council paid a company to go up and down the roads in the upcoming cpz consultation list early in the morning for a couple of weeks to write down all the vehicles reg numbers on the cpz list to see if they live local or not in advance of the consultation taking place.LBL have said this is to see who is overcrowding the roads. I stopped one chap and he told me he was getting paid £100 per day to do it for 10 days and there were 10 chaps doing it. Who pays for that I asked? They left the reply out in their answer......Dodgy...its coming wether you want it or not...

Headhunter said...

I like the humps, speaking to neighbours on my road who have lived there since before the humps were put in, apparently there used to be a lot of rat running traffic speeding through at ridiculous speeds trying to avoid traffic on Wickham Rd. The speed humps have reduced their speed - they still rat run but at a lower pace. Speed humps enforce speed limits to some extent without the need for enforcement


I agree re the 20mph limits though - totally unenforced and ignored by most motorists. I ride my bike at around the 20mph mark and most cars pass at a fair pace doing 40+ on some roads... Total waste of money - the council must've spent a fortune painting the big "20" on roads, putting up signs, especially the ones that register drivers' speeds as they pass and flash the number up...

tom said...

the speed 'cushions' on the road where I live are completely and utterly ineffective - in fact they're positively dangerous - they encourage drivers to go either straight down the middle of the road or veer dangerously towards the curb, both at speed, to avoid them

Headhunter said...

Are "speed cushions" the broken ones with gaps? They're useless as you say, and dangerous as drivers tend to swerve all over the place to go through the gaps so that they don't have to brake. Often they seem more concerned and focused on hitting the gaps and maintaining speed than other road users... Have had a few hairy moments with idiots swerving towards me at speed when I've been on the bike...

Newby said...

They have the broken ones on Hilly Fields Crescent and the do nothing to stop traffic racing around that road. i dont understand why mobile enforcement vans (or whatever they are called) cannot periodically patrol around residential streets. Clearly they would cover their costs and surely its more dangerous to drive at 40 in a 20 zone than 85 in a 70 zone where enforcement is much more prevelant?

Headhunter said...

I don't know why they just can't use normal speed humps instead of "cushions"... The humps are quite effective IME

tom said...

something about buses and tfl I think - also speed bumps etc are funded by some central government source I believe, and not the local council - but I stand to be corrected on that

Danja said...

There are emergency vehicle routes too on which only cushions are allowed (for obvious reasons, to allow justified speeding).

Headhunter said...

IMO they should just remove them and do without altogether as they tend to cause more danger than they remove as people try to swerve through the grooves at whilst maintaining speed... I've had cars pass me (on my bike) just before a set of cushions and then swerve violently inwards, almost taking me out so as to avoid going over the humps...

dougie said...

I have noticed over the years that the council only seem to put up new humps everywhere and fix roads just before their new yearly budget is due. Perhaps this is because they have so much money left from the previous years budget from the government that they have to get rid of it before they get their new allowance? Seems very coincidental.... I,m all for speed humps and slower speed limits because lets face it they do save lives but whats the point when they are not being enforced and just wasting our money ? Money from CPZ,S and the like should be spent on better roads and enforcement so the local residents are safer.

dougie said...

Hi Tom
I ride a motorbike and the amount of drivers driving over the middle of these humps at me with no consideration for me has nearly caused a few accidents forcing me to the side of the road and shouting a few expletives...Waste of money they should be full length.

dougie said...

No you need a 2 hour parking restriction !!! Why impose permits on local residents like everywhere else?

dougie said...

Very simple really give the local residents a permit at a low cost enough to cover the production costs and give anyone without a permit a ticket. The council will argue its not financially feesable because the ticket inspectors would have to do more work (rather than meeting up at various parks, quiet spots to talk as they are seen doing daily)....Anyway don't we pay enough council tax, road tax, etc etc... why should we pay for permits too?

Bridget Millar said...

The CPZ is designed to earn money for LBL they say they will not enforce it if you don't want it but they force you to have it by doing nothing about the commuters. I agree we pay too much as motorists in London as it is. Why are we so special we are not rich like everyone assumes outside London. We are just easily led and go with the flow and don't stand up enough as a community. Everybody moans but nothing is done.

fragnurpapa said...

Here we go again, the Ladywell CPZ consultation pantomime is starting again as of September 2014. The boundary will be moved, and the parking misery will be displaced to another set of streets, to get them ready for a CPZ extension in 24 months. Personally, I'd favour a moderate increase in council tax which can be invested in frontline services, rather than raising money in this way -- that is, ringfenced for painting lines on the road and employing parking enforcement officers. But this may be a point for debate. I welcome that during this consultation, the council is considering for the very first time our views on the CPZ hours of operation. This is relevant to the whole CPZ, not just the current proposed extension.

Ladywell Lass said...

They asked in 2009, we said no
They asked in 2011, we said no
They asked in 2012, we said no
They ask again in 2014.
In response to a FOI enquiry, I found the price was
2003 £30
2007 £35
2008 £60
2011 £120
So, pretty much every increase is a double, and they've not increased it for a while.
Also, this FOI request showed that the year of the increases followed the year of the expansion of the CPZ. Anticipate £240 in 2015...
There appears to be no concessions for people on benefits or the elderly (which at least council tax gives) and at current rates represents a 10% increase to council tax. They even admit in the consultation papers that they make a profit from it.
The documents also indicate you can buy a weekly pass for £20. So anyone who's commuting in from zone 6, or here to build towers in the centre of Lewisham can presumably buy said weekly permits just by making friends with a local.
So, no removal of the parking problem, an uncontrolled cost we could all do without, and, sadly, one that, once voted in (on 50% of 'yes' votes provided a 10% turnout, ie 5% of residents), is almost impossible to remove (much higher turnout needed, can't remember the figure).

tressilly said...

I live just outside the Ladywell CPZ and although it is impossible to park on my street when I return if I using the car during the week I do not want the CPZ extended. Why should residents pay to park on their own street? Aswell as having to purchase visitor permits for guests and workmen etc. A 2 hour restriction would stop commuter parking and be better than full day restrictions but still be inconvenient for visitors. Why can't resident's permits be free and the council introduce parking meters to charge the commuters parking here to use the station? We already pay council taxes.

pytle said...

There was a 'question to council' regarding CPZs recently. The council are making a commitment to carrying out the results from 'consultations', (whether this actually happens remains to be seen):


Question

In July proposals to impose a CPZ in a new zone of Lee Green, to be called Lee Green West were put to public consultation along with a long awaited review of the adjacent CPZ zones F, P and V. Both asked the public if they might prefer different operational timings to the currently established 0900 - 1700 applicable to the particular zones in question. Amongst those suggested was a two-hour period 1200 - 1400 such as that in operation in Bromley which is designed to prevent commuter parking and which has a great deal of support in Lee Green. Should the outcome of the review favour this method, is the Council likely to accede to public pressure and impose the necessary change?

Reply


On the 10 April 2013 Mayor and Cabinet agreed a set of recommendations which updated the Council’s parking policy following a detailed review. This was followed by the Parking Annual Report on the 23 October where the Mayor agreed a 3 year controlled parking zone review and implementation programme.
Good progress has been made on the programme with work taking place to review and consult local people in the Lee Green area and consultation due to start in Ladywell in September.

The parking policy says that there must be a minimum 10% turnout for the consultation and that there must be a majority in favour of the proposals for them to be implemented. On this basis, if the outcome of the consultation in the Lee Green area has a majority in favour of the introduction of a two hour zone this will be implemented.

Middle class said...

All these views on here from the usual Guardian reading lefty brigade make me sick, it's simple London is a big city it's crowded, CPZ make life easier for the residents, if you can't afford the cost of owning a car, then get rid of it and if you don't like the cost of living in London... Then MOVE.

justvotedno said...

just voted no from fossil road. On balance, decided I'd rather sometimes park a bit further from my house (with kids/shopping etc) than have to pay for a permit for me and visitors, including grandparents who frequency pop round in a car. Now I'm just hoping that everyone else in surrounding roads votes no too, otherwise we're scuppered!

fragnurpapa said...

Middle class, I totally agree with you that everyone ought to pay a bit more for living in London. Of course, it would be better to pay though TAX that's FAIR and goes where it's NEEDED most, instead of raising money through expanding CPZs. Let's contribute towards libraries, social care, youth services instead of painting white lines and employing enforcement officers to trawl streets -- most of which have a lot more empty parking spaces than cars parked on them. Walk through Ladywell CPZ at any time of any day, and that's exactly the level of parking that you'll find, with the exception of small areas near the stations, the shops and the hospital where it seems that strong parking restrictions are actually necessary.

morris said...

Can you explain how 'CPZ make life easier for the residents' (sic)?
One of the problems is, if you don't own a car, and you live within a CPZ, you still have to pay for the pleasure of people coming to visit you, if they arrive by vehicle - and for those living on the cusp of a CPZ it actually makes life more difficult - that is, if you have an expectation of parking within 50 metres or so of your residence.
It's a faulty system promulgated by idiotic councils.
It's also interesting to note that in the Parking Review the council carried out they promised not to raise the fees 'in the 2015-2016 period' – this means they will raise them after that period - and assuming that's based on a financial year it means they'll raise the fees in approx 18 months time.

dougie said...

Seriously???? What are you then green party??

dougie said...

Exactly well pointed out...Nice one.

dougie said...

problem is that if they (the council) did impose a 2hr restricted parking they still want £130 for a permit. so we,d be better having it all day or a drastically reduced price for the 2 hours sounds fair to me...

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