Brockley Road to Recovery?

Brockley Central made a short, sweaty presentation at the Brockley Society meeting last night. They kindly invited us to talk about the site to their members and we discussed how we can help them engage a wider audience via the site. Hopefully, this will lead to some more stuff from them on here in the near future.

We also touched briefly on the question of what role BrocSoc could play on encouraging improvements along Brockley Road, which was much-discussed here.

There was a clear appetite from the room to support some sort of campaign, but they felt (and we think they're right) that it would work best as a single-issue campaign team, supported by a range of local groups, including them, rather than as a BrocSoc campaign.

It felt as though we were at the start of something quite exciting and the plan is to organise a community meeting about the specific question of Brockley Road, involving as many different groups as possible. Not sure how any of this is going to be done, but watch this space...

58 comments:

Hugh said...

Were the Brockley Foxes there?

BC presentation quite good. Biscuits good.

Brockley Kate said...

A single-issue Brockley Road campaign uniting the various community groups in Brockley would be great.

lb said...

I'm pretty sure I saw one of the Brockley Foxes almost get flattened by a Renault Megane the other morning.

Hugh said...

I saw a very fit bird in heels and a miniskirt walking north down Wickham Road this morning at about 8am. Please make contact.

Brockley Fox said...

Was that you leering, Hugh? You're pensionable...

Headhunter said...

...She was probably heading home after a hard night's work...

Anonymous said...

"fit bird with heels and a miniskirt", surely that's an oxymorono

Cran Kate said...

someone who feels strongly about the beautification of Brockley Rd should give a date, time and place for other concerned people to all turn up and together you can decide what should be done. The people who feel strongly about it need to take the initiative to do something about this. I will be happy to do a call to arms on the BrocSoc website, you can put an article in the next newsletter (or enclose a flyer that raises awareness - whatever you want to do) and the planning reps will sure that your points are raised with the council in ammenity panel meetings and planning discussions. if you want to get this done, start doing it!

Anonymous said...

Cran Kate, be encouraging not dictatorial, it'll get things done much more easily believe me.

Headhunter said...

Cran Kate - I think things are already in motion by the sounds of it. Don't think we need a bully, just someone/some people with time to get things moving

Cran Kate said...

i wasn't trying to bully anyone or be dictatorial - just passing on some suggestions for how it might help to get it done. i shall look forward to hearing what it is you are doing / what is in motion.

Tressillian James said...

What the....?

Cran Kate - read the blog - it was guys here who go the trees on Brockley road. No need to be patronising. Keep reading the blog and you'll hear what people are doing..

Anon 12.03 said...

Cran Kate you're being a little too fierce, we're gentle souls on B.C. honestly we just put up a front.

Before I could consider going to a meeting, I'd like to know what the agenda is however vague. So what specifically is wrong with Brockley road? What does it need to recover from exactly?

Brockley Nick said...

In case the Great Brockley Road Campaign is derailed before it has begun, let me just say I am happy (and I think Kate and Jon will be too) to take responsbility for setting up a meeting and defining the agenda and then publicising the meeting and trying to get people to come along.

Hence, the 'watch this space' message.

Cran Kate said...

sorry everyone, i have absolutely no idea what i have done to generate the impression that i am fierce, dictatorial or patronising. Nick's original post said the plan is to organise a meeting about Brockley Rd. all i did was suggest how that could get going so no one thought they were waiting for "someone else" to do it. i haven't denied or dismissed anyone's prior involvement in anything, or ignored any of the achievements of anyone who has made a difference. we now have a decent-looking and regularly updated site for the Brockley Society. So if you are starting a Brockley Rd campaign, let me know so they it can get as much publicity as possible and people who might want to get involved but don't read this blog know who to speak to.

Brockley Jon said...

Yes indeed, very happy to be involved. I think the main issues will come out of the walkabout tomorrow afternoon around Brockley Cross, and that will give us a rough agenda, but of course we do need to consider the Crofton Park end too. However, as was pointed out last night, we need to be realistic as Brockley Road is very long!

@Cran Kate, don't worry about it. We'll work closely with BrocSoc, keeping you in the loop, and thanks for offering to get it in the newsletter.

Brockley Nick said...

The walkabout is next Friday, not this.

Headhunter said...

Cran Kate - Aha, I think we all misunderstood the tone of your message! I find that can easily happen in written communication, I suppose hence the rise of smiley facey things... ;-)

Brockley Jon said...

@Nick, walkabout next Friday - got it!! Still can't make it though ;)

Hugh said...

What's all this '@Nick' balls? You can begin the post with 'Nick,'.

Monkeyboy said...

@Hugh, turn your wireless off and put away your tweeds. This is 2008, we all speak txt now.

C U L8TR....

spincat said...

My dear Brockley Central readers

I think we will soon see a return to more formal language on the internet and in texts.

A colleague has started a trend by beginning his emails: 'I trust this email finds you in good health". it is not affectation, though it might sound so.

Yours faithfully
Mrs Spincat

Anonymous said...

I adore the sentece 'I trust this email finds you in good health'.I think it's quite romantic and I can almost imagine Mr email walking up Brockley Road when it's all recovered and prim finding me all willing and healthy at the end of it. Aw, sweet.

Anonymous said...

Can we not set up the same thing for Lewisham Way as well? This would be absolutely fantastic for a road with such potential to clean itself up.
We need something for those of us on the St Johns side of Brockley! I'm happy to get involved in this one. Any other takers? What do I need to do to kick things off?

Kirsty said...

Whoops - sorry - posted it (above) anon by mistake!

Can we not set up the same thing for Lewisham Way as well? This would be absolutely fantastic for a road with such potential to clean itself up.
We need something for those of us on the St Johns side of Brockley! I'm happy to get involved in this one. Any other takers? What do I need to do to kick things off?

Amanda said...

Hi Kirsty if you were to initiate a meeting. I think you could get Broc Soc to back you, with promotion and stuff. You'll get at least one general helper, me.

What I would say it might be good to watch what's happening with the Brockley Road campaign to get ideas, tips etc.

Richard Elliot said...

@ Kirsty - good idea. Lewisham Way could do with a lot of development and there is so much potential.

I was full of hope that the sea container might have disappeared and a lovely turkish pattisserie would have opened when I got back from America, but it was not to be.

After the comments on Brockley Central I believe that Dragon Blue is getting a new sign. Although the owners seem to have taken some of the comments personally. A reminder we should all heed Nick's calls of respect on the blog.

Brockley Jon said...

Yes, wise words Richard. I have zapped some comments to keep this thread on-topic. No more attempts to de-rail it please (they will be deleted), and please refrain from swearing. A reminder of our code of conduct.

Cran Kate said...

We've put a survey up on the BrocSoc website to collate thoughts on Brockley Rd (and anything else about Brockley that you would like raised with the deputy mayor next week). There's also an opporunity for people to leave their contact details if they want to get involved in changing things, particularly if they want to lead it. http://www.brockley.com/brocsoc/getinvolved.html. when someone does decide they want to go for it, they can have the results of the survey and the contacts. KIRSTY - if you want us to do something similar for lewisham way (never forget the St John-ers!), let me know.

Kirsty said...

@Cran Kate - that would be absolutely fantastic!
Lewisham Way deserves some attention too. I think it'd be a great way to get some ideas / thoughts down and also to find like-minded people who want to come together and help. I am happy to get involved in whatever way I can too. Thank you for thinking of us St Johners! I think if a group of us all started working on stuff - lobbying the council, encouraging new businesses, getting petitions going, even helping do some street cleaning then we could start to see a real difference. It'd be great to get people leading on different areas - eg. I'd love to make it my mission to get the derelict grocers near The Talbot occupied by an independent business - like a cafe! I am willing to start a petition, lobby the council to disclose info on owners, see what they've done to encourage new businesses, seek out potential investors. etc. I think this could be the start of something exciting if it takes off.

Cran Kate said...

no problem. do you want to get in touch with me direct to let me know what it is you would like on the Broc Soc site? i know of someone else who is keen to do something about lewisham way so i can put you in touch with each other. if you go to here: http://www.brockley.com/brocsoc/contacts.html you can email me direct and let me have your email address or telephone number.

Brockley Nick said...

Hi kate cran

The point of the other thread is to collect people's views, so I'm not sure the need to send them over to the brocsoc site to repeat the exercise?

Also, you mention that you're planning to come on the visit, but no one from brocsoc has been in touch with me yet to arrange this.

Cran Kate said...

Hi Nick. Not everyone reads the blog so the questionnaire is for those people who go on the BrocSoc site but i didn't see any reason not to mention it on here. if anyone feels it's a waste of their time to go to the questionnaire, i am sure they won't do it. and i am sure some people might want to give their opinion without it then being commented on. Des from BrocSoc/BCAG is going to go on the walkabout and said he'd get in touch with you. but it's an open thing, right? so anyone can go anyway, or do you want them to book it wirh you?

Anonymous said...

this is like the east end of london, with various self appointed 'community leaders' caring more about their positions of influence within that 'community' and arguing over that, regardless of the impact that their own egos ultimately have on actually getting anything done

Brockley Nick said...

I agreed with cllr alexander that it would be a small group of people who wrote to me expressing their interest in coming along. I'm sure des will get in touch.

I'm not sure I understand why anyone wouldn't want their views to be seen and responded to - we are, after all, talking about a public campaign to effect change. For any idea to have any impact, it will have to be debated. And the site does offer anonymity.

Anon, don't be daft - no-one's arguing over anything, In any case, the tour of brockley cross is a separate (though related) issue.

Anonymous said...

QED

Brockley Nick said...

No, not QED.

The reason for doing it this way is not as some weird vehicle for self-aggrandisement, it's to ensure the tour is manageable and constructive.

Anonymous said...

your doing it again

westsider said...

Anon,if you want to sound clever, you need to learn the difference between your and you're.

They did it the same way when the meeting with the tree guys from the council. I guess it helps prevent meetings being spoiled by anonymous trolls.

Anonymous said...

cutting response

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Just out of interest, how many people have requested to come so far?

Do dah said...

I don't mind the odd abbreviated expression such as "lol". I often find things amusing on the internet and think that "lol" is an aid to communicating that quickly.

But I've noticed some people deploy 'text speak' in conversation, it causes me to raise an eyebrow I tell you!

lb said...

From what I understand re. the buildings' owners you'll have a job getting the derelict grocers near the Talbot occupied by anything.

The empty chemist, on the other hand, is probably a good bet, though I'm not sure how a business could be 'encouraged' into there unless perhaps you want to start one yourself.

Headhunter said...

I'm sure someone either posted an article or a comment under an article about the derelict grocers opposite the pub re-opening some time.

What's the latest re the Talbot? I haven't been over that way for a while. Has the refurbishment finished? Do they now have that full on menu with rabbit in chocolate sauce? It hasn't been mentioned here for a while...

Headhunter said...

I'm sure someone either posted an article or a comment under an article about the derelict grocers opposite the pub re-opening some time.

What's the latest re the Talbot? I haven't been over that way for a while. Has the refurbishment finished? Do they now have that full on menu with rabbit in chocolate sauce? It hasn't been mentioned here for a while...

lb said...

The Talbot looks very much as it always did - no sign of any work being done to it as yet.

Headhunter said...

It's a long time coming isn't it? Is it ever going to happen? Sounds like they've pulled out...

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Don't be so pessimesitc! It will happen! Abit like the trains on a rainy day - might be delayed, but it will get there eventually!

lb said...

Dunno - this is not a time of great economic confidence generally, things might be stalled for a while.

There's a logo, at least.

Headhunter said...

Not being pessimistic, just realistic. We're moving into a less certain economic environment, it's possible that the whole thing has been shelved. I mean it's been over a year I think since this was first mooted. The logo's been around for ages, and they announced the menu about 6 months ago, but as you say nothing has changed re the building itself

Brockley Kate said...

I think I recall from our visit to the Talbot a while back that the main hold-up was signing the contracts with the brewery who are the pub's owners. Not sure whether this is still the case, but worth bearing in mind ...

Lady said...

dear LB
what's the problem with the ex-grocer's owner? I heard someone had just died. Or maybe that's what you mean

Generally,
I suppose the problem with derelict shops, unattractive facades etc is money and time. I'm up for getting involved but I do wonder how well-intentioned community groups will actually make a difference.

And does it really matter whether a road looks nice (other than for purposes of property prices)? Is there a link between pretty shops and the local community's general well-being? Are we less likely to get stabbed if the streets look handsome?

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Lady, good questions.

If you want me swing way or the other withour ditthering, I would actually say Yes - it does matter in that regard.

Least of all, it provides a focal point and brings the community together.

Headhunter said...

I think yes, people are more likely to have respect for their environment and each other if the whole place doesn't look run down and derelict. Pleasan surroundings and shops which are actually open for business will encourage people to frequent these areas, effectively "designing out" some crime. This is not all motivated by house prices! That's very cynical!

do dah said...

House prices just don't come into it for me. I live in Brockley, Brockley is my home, I want my home to look nice.

Tressillian james said...

Hear hear - I felt the same way when I was renting as now when I am owning. I want the area I live in to be nice.

Amanda said...

There's a survey on Improving Brockley Road at the BXAG site for those who wish to express their views Brockley Road Survey

fred west's wife beater said...

careful amanda, nick's already near on censored someone further up for pointing people in the direction of that site in relation to getting people's views on things

did seem a little to me at the time as an assumption that the views of people on this blog and the views of people who live in brockley being coterminous

'what's the point in asking anyone else, we've already spoken'

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