Chicken and Pizza?

"There are many options available for dangerously underweight individuals like yourself. Remember, if you're not sure about something, rub it against a piece of paper. If the paper turns clear, it's your window to weight gain."

Dr Nick Riviera

The owners of the shop at 95 Endwell Road are applying to convert the basement and ground floors for restaurant and takeaway use, according to this application.

159 comments:

Headhunter said...

That link didn't open for me. I guess they're applying to open a fried chicken or pizza place from the headline?

Brockley Nick said...

It was more of a joke about the fact that our two main dining options tend to be pizza and chicken, and this could offer both over two floors. The application doesn't need to specify what food they'll be serving. Perhaps it will be greek food upstairs and traditional french downstairs?!

Monkeyboy said...

nothing wrong with Pizza and chicken as such just sick of low rent takeaways - and yes there is a bit of snobery in my comment but it's not as if we're short of that kind of thing.

Now of course if the pizzas start at ten quid.....

Tressillian James said...

Is there no way of knowing? I went to the application on Lewisham website and took a look - but the details would not open

Monkeyboy said...

..although how do you police what kind of takaway you have? is an organic, posh, fairtrade pizza ok? Not really sensible to dole out approvals based on a menu I s'pose.

Headhunter said...

Traditional French! On Endwell Road? I can just see it now, little white shirted, pencil moustached waiters with slicked back hair waxing lyrical about wafer thin mints to track suited locals from squats....

max said...

That's upstairs, downstairs is house of snails.

drakefell debaser said...

i saw a bloke working on the inside of the shop and he confirmed it was another fast food outlet so gourmet chicken is unlikely, i am quite miffed as it is not far from me and the last thing i want is the litter that these establishments bring. I thought the council has 'targets' to reduce obesity not make it easier to gain weight.

headhunter said...

No debaser, the council wants to kill off as many Lewisham residents as possible by feeding them deep fried battery chicken and chips whilst closing down sports facilities. Once the population has reduced they will divert excess funding from council taxes into their pension funds and retire. Keep up.

Anonymous said...

You know, I'd take a regular KFC at this stage. Why does it always have to been an 'American Fried Chicken', 'Favourite Chicken, 'Favourable Chicken" or any other adjective to describe chicken. At least I'd use a KFC every now and then. (love the zingers)

Anonymous said...

Visions of a chic bistro just by Brockley Croix, a buxom French waitress and a patron with an 'allo 'allo accent. A place with humour and joie de vivre.....one can hope.

Brockley has seen such things in times gone by, it could happen again.

Maybe the new bookies at the Homeview site could organise a wager on what the next food establishment will be.

I can't help thinking that the punter who selects whatever slithers down most satisfactorily for the local neanderthals in search of an economical late night repaste, will be onto a winner.

What are the odds?

Chicken
Pizza
Kebab
Chinese
Indian

Will alls well be Endwell in that double vortex of car effluent that is Brockley Cross?

Will they catchup on the ketchup, will there be sauce, will the chips be oven ready.

The nation waits with baited breath. I do hope the Brockley foxes will treat us to one of their discriminating reviews. Can we rely on our ace reporters to record the verdict? Or will they make an excuse and leave? I don't think I can take the excitement.

Headhunter said...

I just hope they don't add to the steady pile of pizza menus that come piling through the door every day. There are sooooo many, the I wonder what the saturation point for pizza and chicken joints is in eth area? Brockley seems to support so many of them and they're all still in business!

Anonymous said...

I'd happily take a decent chicken shop like KFC.

We're already served for decent pizza - Dominics is the best in the area. And likewise for chips - Fishy Business. Bring a good KFC franchise to Brockley and get rid of all the 'Chicken and Ribs, Innit' emporiums.

Anonymous said...

That;s because if you're not paying for rent, you have plenty of cash to spend on takeways to be delivered to you squat - sorry, "unauthorised tenancy"

Monkeyboy said...

Apparently the next 'Great British Menu' is being filmed in Brockley. I can just see Pru Leith, Matthew Fort and that annoying Irish bloke waxing lyrical over our fried offering.

Headhunter said...

Is KFC really any better than Chav Fried Chicken brand? It's all deep fried crap...

Danja said...

[i]decent pizza - Dominics[/i]

And someone said that the art-mongers latest was an example of Brockley settling for medocrity?

Danja said...

damn tags

Anonymous said...

Give me a quiche from Degustation anyday. Whats a pizza?

The Brockley Telegraph/The Cat Man

Anonymous said...

You know what they say about real men and quiche.

Monkeyboy said...

A decent pizza is a joy to behold. Never had one in England that I would rate as good as you can find in a million little places in Italy.

Anonymous said...

KFC is infinitely better than the Pefect/Amazing/American/Cottage Fried Chicken shops. There's something quite divine about the spices they put on the skin...

Dominics really do do a good pizza, they're not just some kebab shop doing pizzas on the side. The deals are good, too.

Finbar Saunders said...

Does that mean dominics don't do a donner kebab pizza?

My favourite.

max said...

Monkeyboy is right, take away pizzas, no matter how good they can be, have nothing to do with a proper Italian pizza as it is done by skillful hands (often of an ex-con) using fresh ingredients and cooked in a traditional wooden oven.
That's a simple dish that can rival any posh food and is actually very healthy.

Monkeyboy said...

now you're talking....wood fired oven is key and a THIN crust that puffs up proper. The oven should be so hot that it cooks in probably 6 minutes? decent tomatoes, decent mozzarella, decent olive oil, decent basil and perhaps some other chice ingredients.

If you put pineapple chunks or sweet corn on it I will personally gut you with a fish knife.

Brockley Nick said...

I agree with pretty much everything you and max have said about pizza, but... I am weak for pizza hut ham and pineapple deep pan.

Monkeyboy said...

....I have been know to indulge in some Pizza Hut all you can eat - I'm sorry Max

(hangs head in shame.....)

Anonymous said...

Pizza Hut!!!

They're not pizzas!!!

Anonymous said...

Very disappointed in you Monkeyboy - aren't you Italian?

For a good pizza (and Italian) for that matter has anyone else been to the one in Catford. Can't remember what it's called but it's in the worst place ever to have a restaurant - I think it's next to a needle drop in centre or something under a tower/office block. My Italian mate put me on to it (i would never ever have gone in otherwise) and it's the best real Italian I've been to in London (I don't include places like Locanda Locatelli as 'real' although excellent). Once you're in the door is the real deal and the food is excellent. Makes La Lanterna look like a Disneyfied version of an Italian.

max said...

Don't worry, we all sin.
Anyway, I have friends that have been in the Pizza business in Italy so I can tell you that the traditional wood oven for Pizza has about 600 degrees celsius and a Pizza cook in just over 2 minutes, the difference between a properly done and a burnt one plays on the edge of the seconds.
And if you can make upwards of 150 pizzas per night you can earn a small fortune and the restaurant owner will always agree to your requests of pay rise.

max said...

The Italian restaurant you mean is tucked away under Eros House in Catford, the most unlikey of places indeed.
I've never been because if I eat out I choose something different from what I cook every day but I'm told by reliable sources that it's great.

Monkeyboy said...

I shall say 50 Hail Mary's and beat myself with an Antonio Carluccio hardback...

(I bet Max is no stranger to the odd jar of Dolmio's, go on confess. No one reads this blog anyway)

max said...

Dolmio? Never! I use fresh tomatoes and I buy them at Gennaro's.

Monkeyboy said...

My old italian flatmate used to get his mum to post him tomatoes from italy as he couldn't bear to cook with the ones from Asda's! Actually I remember on one of my few visits to Italy as a kid watching my Aunt's bottle up the summers crop of tomatoes for use during the winter. Honestly it was like a Michael Palin documentary!

oryx said...

If you want real Italian pizza you should take a trip down Brockley Road to the excellent Le Querce on Brockley Rise.

Be warned - I believe they only do them something like Monday - Thursday.

Anonymous said...

Max - That's it. It's really very good. The pizza maker guy is brilliant too. You can never go to la Lanterna again once you've been there. never been to la Querce but I'd doubt it's as good as the catford one. The catford one is really for people who know because they must never get off the street custom (you just wouldn't by the look of the outside)and it's often full of Italians which is obviously a good sign.

brockley mutha said...

If its a chain or nothing then I'd like a Pizza Express - perfect for becoming gently sozzled on spritzers while watching one's offspring systematically destroy the place.

Failing that I'd settle for Nando's - which I can visit under cover of darkness.

Anonymous said...

There is a pizza joint in the 02 Dome called Zizzis. One of the smarter chains like Pizza Express. I was quite astonished, the pizzas were actually very good and the service was excellent.

Wish we had one of those around here.

La Lanterna is now part of chain, but they don't seem to realise that different standards apply to local restaurants with a local clientele than to West End restaurants aimed at a transient customers who may never return.

max said...

I saw that place at O2 and by the look the pizzas seemed ok, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also good but I'm afraid I have to disagree with Brockley Mutha about Pizza Express, my two experiences at Pizza Express were rather disappointing, lame and lifeless stuff really, not horrible but frankly, I'd rather eat a sandwich and save £10.

Monkeyboy, lots of Italians used to have food shipped here until recently, the food that you can buy in London now is much better than what it used to be. Ten years ago tomatoes from any supermarket were inedible for any Italian palate, I think that the Turkish grocers were the first to raise the bar.

Anonymous said...

I love Papapgone's up in Finny Park, proper oven baked pizza Napolitana and flirty Italian waiters yum!But you can also have a drink, watch the football, have an Italian gelatto...

Do they have flirty Italian waiters at the place in Catford?

Mum came to visit a month ago and she managed to bring me 10 liters of our own olive oil- she still puts tomatoes, aubergines, funghi and anything she can in pots for winter...

Anonymous said...

No flirty ones - just a crazy bald one. Who come to think of it does actually flirt a bit.

Anonymous said...

I think I might be more up for a flirt than pizza or chicken. How about a sushi place? Does anyone know of a sushi takeaway nearby?

drakefell debaser said...

The link to the council implies the applicant already owns the property which rules out any flat owners above opposing this. What makes me laugh is that the council can't even get the address right:
Mrs T Nanthakumar
95 Endwell Road
Ladywell
London
SE4 2NF

Last time i checked Endwell Rd did not stretch to Ladywell. Who said the council was not out of touch?

I think its time to enlist the help of Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall here so that we can target these purveyors of deep skank chicken.

Tressillian James said...

Went to La Querce last week - I had the Gnocchi and I've only had better in a little Osteria on the shores of Lake Lugano. However as the number 192 bus trundled by, and 2 kids sneered at us for eating outside as they passed, I was quickly reminded that I was in Brockley Rise.

If you haven't been to La Querce, I would highly recommend it.

Glad to see Gennaros got a namecheck - it's the only thing I like about Lewisham town centre.

As for sushi - and here I can claim to be expert - avoid Sapporo Ichiban in Catford 0 the worst Japanese food I have tried in a long time. The new place in Greenwich - Ginza on the Woolwich road is ok and sometimes stretches to good. Best for Sushi though is to pop over to Waitrose in Canary Wharf and go to the Moshi Moshi Sushi there - always spot on.

Move over Brockley Foxes - I can do platitudes too.

gaga said...

Tressilian James: How can you say that Sapporo Ichiban was the "worst"? Outside a couple of very expensive Japanese joints in Central London, it offers excellent, fresh sushi & sashimi at a very reasonable price

Bea said...

Eccosium do a decent pizza in terms of crispy base cooked in a hot, hot oven (not wood burning though)! The toppings, however, have a distinctly Moroccan / Turkish flavour so if – as someone here mentioned – you want a kebab pizza that’s the place to go. Just ask for the meat special!

lb said...

There used to be (and may still be) a great Italian grocer in Seven Sisters, of all places.

I'd agree it's the tomatoes that make all the difference - they need proper heat, not much water (and if you're being really picky, a good volcanic soil - eg round Naples) to be at their best. Most tomatoes in Britain (including most of those imported from Southern Europe) are grown under glass and well-watered to maximise yields. Oh, and they're picked barely ripe so they can sit around in distribtuion centres.

Headhunter said...

When I lived in Catford a few years back I remember Sapporo Ichiban opening. We thought that at last metropolitan London has arrived in SE6! We used to go to the all you can eat on Sun. It wasn't that bad but certainly not real Japanese. It's one of those joints opened up by a bunch of Chinese people who have realised that there is more money to be made by rebranding yourself as Japanese. Yes, they serve sushi, but they also serve (at least they used to) quinessential Chinese take away grub like fried rice, spring rolls and chow mein. People in London generally confuse Chinese and Japanese, so don't know the difference. You would NEVER get those in Japan, at least not outside a Chinese restaurant.

If you want proper sushi go to Sushi Hiro out in Ealing - best in the whole of London. If you want "izakaya" style, Japanese "tapas", go to Edokko in Holborn area. Both a touch expensive but very authentic

Headhunter said...

....Or if you're really hungry for good sushi try City Miyama near St Pauls on Saturday brunch/lunch. All you can eat for about £25 and they have a good selection outside the bog standard Yo Sushi selection of salmon and tuna. they have things like sea urchin, razor clam, more expensive cuts of tuna etc etc all hand made to order, rather than rolling round a conveyor belt for several hours.

Tressillian James said...

Headhunter - thanks for those 3 tips, I'll certainly be trying them out.

@gaga - went to Sapporo Ichiban for the first time thisd week: tried sushi, tonkatsu, agedashi tofu, kurage, tempura.

The sushi was passable - the rest was really awful. Head hunter is right in that it is a chinese outfit - and from my position at the bar I could see the cooking skills - deepfrying frozen food. They were also serving chilli sauce with some of the above. The japanese aren't known for their love of hot spices.

I spent a total of 5 years in Japan - I can totally claim its the worst I've had - but perhaps at the best price. 8-)

Headhunter said...

There are other very good authentic Japanese places around London, however they're often tucked away in suburban locations. Another place I liked is Sushi Say in North London. Most of the prominent "Japanese" places in central London are actually "fusion" (like Nobu and Ubon) and not true Japanese, or as I said in many cases they are run by Chinese people who have realised they can double their prices if they call themselves Japanese. Most Brits can't differentiate Japanese food from Chinese beyond knowing that sushi is Japanese.

TJ - where did you live in Japan?

lb said...

I was surpised to find out that a lot of the dishes people most commonly associate with Japanese restaurants, or at least with British Japanese restaurants (ramen, gyoza) are actually Chinese in origin. And tempura came from a Portugese dish in the 16th century, or whenever it was the Portugese got to Japan. All good stuff though.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

I'm not a big fan of Sushi but for those looking for value for money you could try a chain called Taro. They have quite a reasonable selection and always use fresh ingredients (being in soho probably has something to do with the turn around). Seems to be quite authentic, but I'll let others be the judge. You can get a sushi at £1-3 a roll, cheaper than Yo Sushi but even my unsophisticated tastes can tell its much better.

lb said...

Actually I was surprised, not "surpised", but you get the idea.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

oh, and its all made to order (in front of you) and you can get things like sea urchin if my memory serves me right. I personally would avoid the large 'chains' if you can, just another experience of being processed.

Headhunter said...

Yes, gyoza and ramen are most definitely considered foreign foods in Japan (as are spring rolls, fried noodles, steamed dumplings etc etc). You certainly wouldn't get either in a proper Japanese place. Both are way to spicy and garlicky to be authentic Japanese which is usually characterised by very simple, subtle, natural flavours

Andy - is that Taro on Brewer St? If so there are a few good Japanese spots there as well as Japanese supply shops like the "Rice Wine Shop" and "Arigatou". Also Tokyo Diner near China town. They're much cheaper and serve more the sort of thing people would eat for a quick lunch out of the office but nonetheless good.

Headhunter said...

Yes, gyoza and ramen are most definitely considered foreign foods in Japan (as are spring rolls, fried noodles, steamed dumplings etc etc). You certainly wouldn't get either in a proper Japanese place. Both are way to spicy and garlicky to be authentic Japanese which is usually characterised by very simple, subtle, natural flavours

Andy - is that Taro on Brewer St? If so there are a few good Japanese spots there as well as Japanese supply shops like the "Rice Wine Shop" and "Arigatou". Also Tokyo Diner near China town. They're much cheaper and serve more the sort of thing people would eat for a quick lunch out of the office but nonetheless good.

Bea said...
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Bea said...

Another good place to eat sushi and excellent, genuine tasting Japanese food (although the place is run by Chinese and has a great choice of Chinese food as well) is the Hare & Tortoise in the Brunswick Centre, Bloomsbury near to Russell Square.

The unagi donburi (grilled eel on rice) tastes like the real McCoy. The prices aren’t bad either. (And my comments are based on having lived in Japan for five years too) 8-)

@LB - know what you mean re origin of some of these foods - and tonkatsu totally tastes like an Austrian Wiener Schnitzel (or pork chop in bread crumbs).

The Brockley Telegraph said...

@HH. Yes think so. There is a Japanese supermarket opposite which is quite good if you want to stock up on Wasabi peas (like i do). There's also another one on old Compton street, no idea if there are more. Quite fond of it, nice little buzzy place and like you say, food is cheap.

The places I visited in China (Beijing, Guilin, yangshuo, Luoyang, xi'an, Chongqing,etc... Didn't see much that resembled British Japanese to be honest)

Monkeyboy said...

I spent 5 days in Japan meeting Misubishi and Fujitsu. They got me monsterously drunk on whisky, took me Kareoke singing, fed me amazing food (the little bowl of fresh raw baby eel/fishy things was a bit much on a hangover)MADE me smoke (seems to be compulsory). The annoying thing was that they looked fresh as a daisy the next day wheras I looked a mess. They were facinated that we had 25 days holiday every year AND we actually took them!

Mad country, wouldn't mind living there for a while.

Headhunter said...

Bea - The Japanese word "katsu" is an abbreviation of the English word "cutlet", so katsu is also most definitely a Japanese dish brought over in the 19th or early 20th centuries

Bea said...

Heathunter - never new that - makes sense. Learn something new every day

Anonymous said...

I lived in Japan for 5 years and 1 day so I think that makes me 1 day better qualified than any of you to tell you what is authentic and what is not.

Bea said...

In which case all I can say is "Aru komento wa totemo baka desu".

Anonymous said...

Listen love, I studied under Kendo Nagasaki the last true descendant of Miyamoto Musashi Japan's greatest ever Samurai. I lived in a mountain retreat for 5 years (and 1 day) and studied the book of 5 rings eating nothing but bark and blow fish. I'm way more Japanese than you, I even have black hair and wear kimono style pyjamas. I mean I don't actually but i could, and anyway I once went to Yo Sushi and that is proper authentic and I have also once eaten bamboo - by accident as it happens while gardening - but I still swallowed and Pandas eat bamboo and they're Japanese and that makes me their brethren so stick that in your traditional tea ceremony and smoke it.

Headhunter said...

Anata ga, kore o wakarimasen kara nihon ni itta kota ga nai desu.... See ya later

Anonymous said...

I seem to recollect that an important part of Japanese culture is to 'copy and improve'.

That there is little that cannot be traced to outside influences....except Saki.

So 'authentic Japanese' may be something of an oxymoron.

However this in not to decry their culinary tradition which is a haute cuisine. Finding it in London is another matter.

Bea said...

Anon: Well - your latest did get a laugh from me! Shame you messed it up with the panda comment - they're from China.

Anonymous said...

That's it!
demo baka wa shinanakya naoranai 馬鹿は死ななきゃ直らない,

Taste my Dim Mak!!!!

Headhunter said...

Oooh you just copied that from a website! Or to quote in full...

案ずるより産むが易し。馬鹿は死ななきゃ直らない。

Bea said...
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Bea said...

I can’t believe Brockley Central has been reduced to trading insults in Japanese! Surely Moneyboy can add a few choice Italian ones?

Anyone know "once a fool always a fool" in Chinese - Kung Fu Hustle can you oblige?

Danja said...

Sake could have been an import from China, too.

Anonymous said...

How dare you. I wrote that website. I tell you the people on my Dim Mak list is growing. You'll be Headless Hunter once you felt the blade of my Katana!

Also - I knew that Panda's were Chinese - well done - you passed the test. You may now progress to the next stage of training.

Headhunter said...

Dim mak (點脈) is also Chinese. Do I progress to the next level now?

Bea said...

Arigato Sensei

Anonymous said...

No you don't - you have failed for being insubordinate. Normally I would behead you but I'll let it pass because you didn't know about my 'fusion' teaching. I cover most aspects of the curriculum including Bushido, Kendo, Maths, English, Media Studies, Dim Mak and Chinese Burns. Our journey together has ended though and you must find another master.

Headhunter said...

I'm sorry to hear that. You were a worthy opponent. Kiotsukete sensei, motto ato de aimashyou....

Bea said...

Looks like you've crashed and burned Headless Hunter. Too bad Anon Sensei doesn't know his Bushido from his Kendo (otherwise he'd know that Kendo is part of Bushido). But can s/he name the other necessary martial skill of a samurai... there's five in all. (And no it doesn’t include tea making – smoked or otherwise).

Anonymous said...

Archery. (as well as sword drawing/cutting etc.) I do know that Kendo is part of Bushido - as is Iaido and Ju Jitsu - I know more than it may appear.

Spooky Sensei.

Bea said...

Iaido (sword kata)
Judo (wrestling)
Kendo (fencing)
Kyodo (archery)
Suijutsu (swimming in armour silently)

Afraid you've just lost that extra day's experience on the mountain top!

Anonymous said...

Count Dante! Still in hiding, eh?

Anonymous said...

Judo is a modern sport - nothing to do with traditional Bushido- it was Jujutsu that was studied by Samurai - designed for grappling once they had taken an opponent off a horse.

I suggest you commit Seppuku to save your dignity.

I just got my day back.

lb said...

I was always rather fond of the Hokkien Chinese / Singlish insult "chui kana kah, kah kana lum par" (literally "mouth like legs, legs like testicles" - implies someone is clumsy)

Anonymous said...

...is that the sound of Bea biting off her own tongue?

Headhunter said...

I think we're getting our Bushido (way of the warrior, Japanese code of conduct for samurai life, like the concept of chivalry) with Budo or Bujutsu (Japanese martial arts). I think the budo arts are koryu, sumo, jujutsu, katana, kenjutsu, battojutsu, naginatajutsu and sojutsu and the gendi budo (modern martial arts from post Meiji reformation) are judo, kendo, aikido, kyudo and karate

Surely I must get level up now?

Danja said...

You must sumo-mud-wrestle the Brockley troll to complete the level.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

its fascinating that we are talking about a traditional culture that will slowly die out as the world becomes more intregated. What will our kids kids be talking about in 40 years time ? Hate to draw parallels...

Danja said...

See, on cue.

Anonymous said...

Aikido is another very modern martial art - developed in the 1920's. Nothing to do with Bushido. Budo refers to any martial art although it has come to mean mainly the japanese ones. As i understand.

Anonymous said...

it won't die out because people still practice it.

lb said...

Indeed, it would be a tragedy if the traditional south-east English martial art of ashtray fighting became only a distant memory.

Headhunter said...

Anon 13.45 - That's what I said. Aikido is a type of gendi budo - moder martial art, developed after the Meiji Reformation of 1866...

I think I'll pass on the mud sumo wrestle with the Cat Man... Do you think the cats would join in like a witch's familiar?

Anonymous said...

well i guess the 1920's are after 1866 so you're correct - i thought you meant soon after.

Danja said...

As they cornered their dinner, the residents of Andy's Alternate Brockley thanked their gods that their traditions had been well preserved:
http://tinyurl.com/68t37d

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Hh, you calling me a witch?? How evil! Its fabulous. My cats have now taken to playing fetch with me indoors! If I don't play, they bring them in. Havnt quite taught them how to make a roll of sushi yet, but working on it....

Headhunter said...

Well no. I just wondered if they would jump to defend you....

Headhunter said...

Well no. I just wondered if they would jump to defend you....

Bea said...

I knew that Judo was a modern martial art - well done - you passed the test. You may now progress to the next stage of training.

Anonymous said...

I knew you knew. You have failed. My search for a suitable student continues...

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Now the thread is 100 not out should we transfer the discussion to the English martial art of cricket...

By the way did Marco Polo take Pizzas out to China with him and if so did they get to Japan before Pizza Hut?

drakefell debaser said...

Maybe Andy and his cats can put on a display at the Hillabaloo.

Headhunter said...

Cricket... Hmmm... I went to Lords once but spent most of the time in the beer tents. That's about all I can contribute to the discussion about cricket...

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Tm, what about Hh's double posting? That should take out a few. I don't follow criket, there isn't anyone goodlooking enough (just kidding)

mg said...

Pizza Hut, oh yaargh. I just ate there for reasons beyond my control, it was as vile as I remember it being the last time when I was 15 and didn't know better.

Bea said...

TM - don't know about Marco Polo bringing pizza to Japan but allegedly he did bring Chinese noodles back to Italy - which they now call spaghetti.

Headhunter said...

If we're talking about watching sport for looks of the contestants, how about tennis...? Hmm mmmm....

Tressillian James said...

What did I start - and HH I lived in Sapporo (3 years) short time in Nagoya (thnakfully) and the rest in Tokyo (Ebisu/Aoyama).

BC wa nihongo central ni narimashita mitai, ii na!

Kondo biru ippon nominiikimashouka?

Tressillian James said...

Also the Katsu did come from the UK as a cutlet - which is why the Tonkatsu sauce is called a 'worcester' sause in Japanese - and one of the main brands is called Bulldog.

However if you want Japanese purity (with no influence from even China) go for the trad breakfast - grilled fish, pickles, sticky rice, miso soup - and if you like some natto.

Bea said...

Ippon dake! Hai ikimashoo. Itsu ikitai? Watashi ni yotte itsu demo ii.

Bea said...

Yuk - natto - now that has to be the foulest food on earth - fermented beans - yuk, yuk again.

Headhunter said...

Sapporo, Nagoya to Tokyo - ii na! Boku wa Sapporo ni hontoni ikitai. Osaka ni sunde ita, eigo no kyoushi datta. Mecha tanoshikatta!

TJ to hokka no BC no nihon ni sunde ita hito beeru o nomi ni ikouka?

Headhunter said...

I love natto! It's no worse than European blue cheese which the Japanese often find awful! Natto is also a true super food... I heard that Hitler experimented using it to feed his troops as they invaded Russia. Apparently it has a very high concentration of essential nutrients and live bacteria in a small packet. However look what happened to Hitler's troops in Russia...

The Brockley Telegraph said...

@drakefell. I put an article about gureilla gardening on my blog that you might find interesting!

@hh, where can I go cycling locally for say 45-55mins round trip? I'm working in Chatham at the mo so can't do my daily commute :0( its actually really annoying me, this whole lack of exercise thing.

@everyone else. What exactly is 'italian style' chicken?

The Brockley Telegraph said...

and does anyone else know mandarin?

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Aren't manadarins the little oranges you get at Christmas or am I getting confused with satsumas?

I count double postings as extras by the way.

Tressillian James said...

Nomo nomo..boku mo itsu demo ii -

HH wa Osaka jin ka? Honma! Ore mo Osaka no koto suki da na - tokuni Doyama.

Bea-chan to Kung-Fu Hustle to issho nominiiku. Yakasoku, na.

Headhunter said...

Yes I suppose Chatham would be a bit far to cycle daily. 45-55 mins? In that time you could go into central London and back I suppose. If you want to ride on the open road, you should take your bike on the train out to Kent somewhere, go for a spin and then get back on the train perhaps

Tressillian James said...

Kung-Fu Hustle is fluent in Mandarin -

and TM you are getting confused with Clementines. Mandarin's are bureaucrats in high office - often with pigtails

Headhunter said...

TJ - Osaka ben! Sugoi yanna! Ore mo Doyama ni itta. Tokyo no ni chome mo ;)

Jya - ore wa raishyu no getsuyoubi ka kayoubi ga ii...

The Brockley Telegraph said...

Cycling tomorrow morning at 5.30 before work, not very keen to do the usual cycle to town as that is what I do when office based, but thanks for the suggestion none the less! I'll prob cycle to dulwich or something, havnt done that yet.

Headhunter said...

5.30am! That's pretty keen. You could give yourself a bit of a workout by cycling up to Crystal Palace triangle, good bit of uphill cycling there. You could have breakfast at Cafe St Germain, but I doubt they're open at that time of the morning though.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

that sounds like a plan! I'll see how long it takes on google, my cuts and bumps have only just gone away so quite prepared for a bit of strenuous workout! I normally cycle to work circa 6am to avoid the traffic. Did you see there was a lewisham cycle group at the brockley fair? they seem like a nice bunch!

Bea said...

Raishu no getsuyobi, kayobi – ryoho ii. TJ - dokko e ikitai ka?

Headhunter said...

Yeah I saw a couple of people helping other people with their bikes - pumping up thje tyres and doing checks. Was that them?

The Brockley Telegraph said...

there was a table next to those people, loads of flyers/cycle route maps etc... they meet twice a wk- seperate novice and expert grps. I was thinking of joining them at some point. Their abit older than me though.

Headhunter said...

Andy - I think I noticed them, they look more like a touring type cycling group. Probably not up for a 60 mile speed cycle through Kent! But hey, why not join them...

Bea - Doko demo ii... Jam Circus? TJ?

drakefell debaser said...

Regarding cricket – I see the ICC has decided to award the 2006 England / Pakistan match at the Oval as a draw despite it being given to England as a win at the time because the Pakistanis refused to leave the dressing room, having been accused of ball tampering. Its unreal, imagine other sports retrospectively changed results that far down the line, Croatia did not beat England at Wembley etc. I think the ICC is guilty of its own ball tampering. Despite these idiots in silly ties at the top, it’s a great game to watch.
Andy –I will check out your gardening thingy.

Tressillian James said...

Jam Circus? Iin jyanai ka. Itakoto ga naikara. Ore ni taishite, Kayobi houga ii.

Jikan toshite - nanji..? 7.00? 7.30?

Headhunter said...

Jya, Kayoubi, 7.30pm, JC ni shiyouka?

Anonymous said...

Wow! Cheers for all the sushi places, not quite as local as I expected but good to know. Impressed at the Japanese knowledge around.

max said...

Andy, as far as I know there isn't an "Italian Style Chicken" as such as Italian cuisine is made of many regional styles.

Anyway, said that, I cook it in a very simple way following a recipe given to me by the mum of a friend of mine that rears her own chickens in the countryside near Venice.

Take a chicken, burn the feathers and put in his belly lots of fresh rosemary, roughly chopped garlic and one whole lemon (also salt and pepper if you want but if you have a good chicken and good herbs you can easily skip the salt). Then put the elastic back so that it stays tight and the skin covers the holes in the belly and neck, butter it thoroughly outside and stick it in the oven at 180 degrees. Leave it there until it's cooked and then take care of removing the lemon without bursting it before serving.

Danja said...

That was fantastically evocative of an idyllic rural version of foodie-woofter-heaven until the 'then put the elastic back'.

max said...

We do need to account for modern life. A proper rural account would be much more prosaic actually, quoting by memory from the intro to the chapter on poultry of the Artusi cookbook: "hold the chicken firmly under your arm and with one hand pull his neck until the bird stops kicking".

max said...

I just misquoted, I checked and that's not a quote from Artusi, must have read it in another early cookery book that I think was called "the modern cook". Anyway, I thoroughly advise the Artusi to anybody interested in Italian cuisine since it's translated into English.
If you can read Italian it's available online here.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

My 'italian style chicken' comment was really two fingers up at the like of tescos etc. Just another example of 'dumbing down' a whole culture. I hate it.

Have anyone actually killed a chicken themselves? Ive seen it done many times at rural markets (esp in China). I dont think I could bring myself to do it. Poor little things.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

@hh. I did it. 9miles (to and from London Bridge).

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Bea said...

Tanoshimimashoo – kayobi no shichijihan JC de aiimashoo. Dakedo watashi wa chotto osokunarimasu kamoshirimasen. Shigoto no se. Watashi mo JC ita koto ga nai - kyomi ga aru.

Headhunter said...

Andy - Well done, today London Bridge tomorrow the world!! How as it? No crashes?

Bea/TJ - boku mo tabun chotto osokunaru kara hachi-ji no ho ga ii?

Bea said...

Hai - hachi-ji no ho ga ii.

max said...

Terrible week for Tesco, as if Hugh Fernley Whittingstall (the enemy within) wasn't enough now it's Andy taking them to task on their cultural dumbing down. Got shares? Sell now!

drakefell debaser said...

Andy-when I was growing up in Africa we kept chickens on our farm but rather than snap their necks we cut their heads off. They then run around in circles for a couple of minutes flapping their wings hence the saying running around like a headless chicken.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

@hh. It was fine. Very little traffic at 5.15am I have to say! I even managed to cycle up pepys rd :o)

@max. This 'dumbing' down of everything, its endemic in today's society. Really pee's me (as you may of gathered).

@Drake. Did you keep the feathered fluffy white chickens? They are so adorable! There is a farm-like zoo behind Hampstead Heath, they had some. I wouldn't be able to eat it (too cute looking), happy to have one as a pet!.

Headhunter said...

OK desu - raisshyu no kayoboubi, hachi-ji ni....

max said...

Have you seen the episode of the Sopranos having an espresso at Starbucks and being horrified by the list of chocka moccaccino and other extremely unhortodox deviation from tradition?

I am more bothered by the quality of Tesco's organic chicken really, pretty lame for those money,
I give Sainsbury a 9/10 for quality of organic chicken, Tesco is way down the line with only 5/10 in my opinion.

drakefell debaser said...

They weren’t fluffy after we had finished with them but they were free range so they spent their living days on a bimble as any chicken should be allowed to do.

bg said...

Ni-nenkan dake Nihon ni sundemashita kara Nihongo wa chotto heta desu. Gommen ne! Demo - Nihon ni sundemashita no hito: mugi-cha shirimasuka? London ni, arismasuka? Doko ni? Arigato!

Anonymous said...

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Monkeyboy said...

God how these threads drift...have you played the Soprano's drinking game? every time a character mentions Italian food or eats something you have to have a drink - double points if Big Tony has something out of the fridge.

I'm told you get VERY drunk.

max said...

Another reason to get the Sopranos box set.

Monkeyboy said...

So Max, as a student of the Soprano's what did you make of the ending? I thought my TV had packed up, I went nuts! All in all, I think it was an OK idea to let the audience make up their own story.

The Brockley Telegraph said...

@Drake, this is the type of chicken I thought you had:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aprilcott/1369070245/

weirdest chicken ever.

max said...

Monkeyboy, I didn't see the last two series actually (yet another reason for the box set), I was very much into series one and two then I kind of shifted, still watched it occasionally but didn't manage to keep up.
Box set coming.

Bea said...

bg - I've never bought mugi-cha here but a good bet might be See Woo in Greenwich Peninsular, or the Japan Centre in Piccadilly.

By the way there is a get together for people who have an interest in Japan at 8.00pm tomorrow (Tuesday, 8th) at Jam Circus. Tressillian James and Headhunter will be there too.

Headhunter said...

bg - Konban wa. Brewer Street no mise de tabun mugi chi ga arimasu. Oishii ne?

Tressillian james said...

Brewer street ya Picadilly no Japan Centre zetai aru yo

bg said...

Minasan domo!

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