If Brockley must have bollards...

...let them be bollards a bit like these ones in East Dulwich. A bit of thought and care and a lack of royal blue colour scheme makes a huge difference. A flat, smooth pavement would also be nice.

131 comments:

Hugh said...

Imagine what Brockley Road would look like if the MOT Centre or whatever it's called were replaced with a performance space for middle-class mophead teens on stunt bikes and yummie mummies in tight jeans sipping lattes and giving us all the horn.

New bollards, please.

Anonymous said...

That looks like a "black mamba" dildo. No thanks.

Hugh said...

You've tried one?

monkeyboy said...

jesus hugh, will you go and rub yourself against a carbon fibre bike frame and relieve some pressure?

They do look rude though.

Brockley Nick said...

In spirit if not necessarily in execution. I don't see what's wrong with erotic bollards however.

Anonymous said...

You haven't?

The Cat Man said...

it would be a 'pleasure' to have these on my doorstep....!

psyche9 said...

These are designed by Zandra Rhodes . In Bellenden Rd they have Anthony Gormley ones. Which artist or designer should we have for the Brockley bollards?

Anonymous said...

Max....

magpie said...

hmmmmmm. Maybe the bollards could be designed by Tracey Emin, featuring some type of display of her previous love life. It wouldn't brighten up the area but it would distract drivers when sitting in boring traffic jams.

By the way - has anyone else noticed that there are a large number of accidents taking place at the corner of Braxfield Road/Brockley Road?. Not sure what is causing this. But I think some type of better road system ought to be in order...

nobbly brick said...

Nick, you've slipped into the first person singular for you 'bollards' comment

eroticism needn't be a solitary pursuit...

Hugh said...

Tracey Emin's love life probably mirrors the state of Brockley Road very well.

Fred said...

The day that Brockley becomes like East Dulwich, I'm moving to New Cross Gate.

Anonymous said...

Never mind the bollards - the lamp posts look fantastic too down in SE15. Oglander Rd, & Ondine Rd have some lovely looking examples that wouldn't look out of place in Paris. Lewisham could learn a lot from Southwark.

Armpit Vale said...

Never Mind the Bollards - Here's the Sex Pedestals?

Hugh said...

Very good, Armpit!

Liz said...

Apparently a lot of the East Dulwich/Bellenden street furniture is Anthony Gormley designed. Maybe we should ask for Tracy Emin!

Monkeyboy said...

a line of bronze chicken drumsticks, alternated with Ciabattas. It would bring communities together.

Anonymous said...

With mung bean lamps

Brockley Nick said...

Nobby, I always use the first in talkbacks.

nobbly brick said...

'Nobbly'

Hugh said...

Talkbacks? Always wondered what I was doing on here.

Monkeyboy said...

Nick was right the first time.... ;-)

bob said...

Totally off topic, but can I plug the Brockley Jack Film Club's screening tonight? Dr Strangelove is at the Brockley Jack at 7.30 tonight (Monday) and there are still tickets going. Please support this local cultural institution! Details here. Box office is 020 8699 6685.

John_Hugill said...

Hello,

My name is John Hugill, I'm a reporter from the South London Press / Mercury newspaper.

I wasn't sure where was best to leave my message so apologies for placing it below the blog.

I am quite new at the paper and am keen to hear from anyone who has anything to say. I would also like to get to know the Brockley area better and would appreciate any advice anyone would have for me on where i should be going and what I should be looking at.

My number is 020 8710 6457 and email john.hugill@slp.co.uk

Many thanks.

patrick1971 said...

"[I] am keen to hear from anyone who has anything to say."

I have a feeling you're going to regret that comment, Mr Hugill...

But best of luck in your new job and thanks for engaging on this forum.

John_Hugill said...

Ha, you might be right!

I am eager to get my nose to the ground and get stuck into local issues though. So if you have any don't be afraid to get in contact.

Tamsin said...

Start, perhaps, by coming to the Telegraph Hill Ward Assembly tonight - Honor Oak Community Centre Turnham Road at 7pm

Then Wednesday - Public Meeting on NHS issues and specifically the direction the Waldron Health Centre is going in - at the Waldron SE15 6LD - also at 7pm.

patrick1971 said...

What are the issues with the Waldron Health Centre? It seems to be a bit of a behemoth; I gather that it's absorbed both the Clifton Rise Medical Centre and the mothers' centre that was in Giffin Street. But it's a brand new, so presumably state-of-the-art building so I guess the facilities are good. According to the latest News Shopper, they're also talking about relocating the drop-in centre from Goodwood Road to the Waldron Centre.

Maradoll said...

Hi John,

I'm glad you posted.

I've stopped reading The Mercury, it goes straight into the recycling bin. The stories are always overwhelmingly negative and it sends me into a fit of rage. I would start reading it again if your team focused on the positive things going on that strengthen our community.

Here are things that I would like to read about:

- The success of small businesses/entreprenuers such as Degustation and Shop on the Hill.

- Brockley Max festival; Moira *I think* is taking the helm again.

- Brockley Jack Film Club

- Profile pieces on Nick, Kate and Jon (brockleycentral) and Richard (Jam Circus).

- Brockley's Open Gym run in Hilly Fields

- Tea Leaf Arts; talk to Sian.

- Volunteer groups that work within the community and what they've achieved.

The Cat Man said...

Add to that the fabulous work performed by Erin from the Broca, who not only has -re-gentrified brockley cross (successfully opening a cafe and supermarket) but also started the Brockley Fun Run to raise money for the BCAG Erin is also involved in regeneration things west of Brockley station (and there are things happening you know on that front...)

Please also run a piece to highlight that Lewisham council seem to be completely in-competent to even run a bath let alone a part of London.

Hugh said...

Spluttering on Daily Telegraph here. The Broca may be a good thing but regentrified Brox Cross it hasn't.

Tamsin said...

To quote the back of the flyer about the Waldron Health Centre public meeting

What's wrong with GP led health centres?
- They threaten the closure of local GP surgeries
- They risk losing the vital patient-doctor relationship. We want to be treated by GPs who see us as patients not as customers.
- We don't want public funding to mvoe from GP practies to private companies who are primarily accountable to shareholders rather than patients.
- They threaten to undermine the comprehensive high quality primary health care provided by the NHS.

I don't know all the ins and outs of these issues and I do believe that the GMC and possibly GPs in general took advantage of the governments naivety in an earlier round of negotiations, and I do know that GPs are in business as private contractors - but I am concerned about one further step of privatisation towards CEOs looking after shareholder interests. At least GPS see the patients they are taking money for treating.
Anyway find out more at the meeting.

Tamsin said...

Another looming local event for John to look out for (bet you're sorry you posted!) is the Telegraph Hill Festival - www.telegraphhillfestival.org.uk - or a link via www.thehill.org.uk

Monkeyboy said...

Do we allow John into the circle of trust? Beware John, there are forces at large in Brockley that you cannot possibly control. Remember what happened to the Russian journalist who didn't tow the line?.....I'm just saying....

nobbly brick said...

a journalist looking for 'news' on a blog must be keen indeed...

nothing worth printing here mate!

Anonymous said...

From: The Cat Man
Subject: My thoughts on Brockley

John, I'm glad you asked. The biggest problem with Brockley, I feel, is that it's full of-

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Anonymous said...

Sorry to go back to the bollards... but they do look like dildos. And the pink colour is hideous, but maybe they wouldn't look so bad with a silver or gold streak...

Tamsin said...

Let's go back to upended redundant cannon with the muzzles blocked by a cannon ball a size larger!

nobbly brick said...

As with the 'special' litter bins (black and gold) there may be some precedent for street furniture laid down by, or 'honouring the spirit of' the conservation guidelines.

BrockleyBiker said...

I note that the railings at Brockley Cross have fallen into even further disrepair. There is a section all twisted and broken.

nobbly brick said...

Probably a symbol of the sterling work they do in protecting the good burghers of Brockley.

Anonymous said...

Indeed - a twisted railing usually means one non-twisted human.

Of course a twisted human would no doubt be preferential to those who spend their weekends walking around the conservation area with a notepad and pen.

Comment said...

Do people really want the aesthetics of interior design on their street. It'll make the place look like a toytown.

Pastel coloured street signs, perhaps Cath Kitson designed cushion on street benches.

Once artists start getting involved in our street furniture, we'll see celebrities wanting a piece of the action, the egos have landed.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, if that comment was directed at me, then to clarify my position, I am not pro-death, I am suggesting the removal of the railings only on the basis that studies have shown they cause more injuries than they prevent and the safety officers of Lewisham (not naturally cavalier on such matters) believe that the ones on Brockley Road serve no useful purpose.

I think it's highly unlikely those bent railings prevented a car careering off the road on to the pavement, I think it's most likely that someone trying to park backed in to them.

I also don't carry a notepad and pen. I have a Blackberry and Twitter.

nobbly brick said...

Possibly those same 'safety officers of Lewisham' have statistics to prove that putting speed cushions on a road serves a useful purpose...

drakefell debaser said...

We have the same steel grey barriers at the junction of Drakefell Rd and Endwell Rd and they look rubbish – the various pieces no longer fit together to give a continuous rail and it is lopsided (hardly capable of stopping a car if it tried). However, just round the corner the bollards are wooden stakes which look much better.

It is not a case of employing interior design, just using a design not employed in prison exercise yards.

nobbly brick said...

DD, we will have to rely on your for your insider knowledge of prison architectural furniture - how were the showers?

Ed said...

Those bollards may be artist designed but I think they look horrible and the comparison with dildos is a fair one. I agree with the comments made about bollards reflecting the character of the conservation area and Nick's comments about less interference with street design forcing drivers to pay better attention (the studies make interesting reading - does anyone know if it's working in Brixton?).

drakefell debaser Cell Block F said...

Showers? You get baths. Bubbles included for good behaviour.

Anonymous said...

Frankly I think the bollards are laughable and it's a case of Emporer's new clothes, just because something has an artist's name attached to it, doesn't mean it's good.

Zandra Rhodes is known for her outlandish style. Bollards are a functional item, barrier, from the images there doesn't appear to be much design that's gone on, it's just decoration, and it you just stick to the standard concept of what a bollard is, a post sticking out of the ground, the thing will look phallic.

Is East Dulwich full of fashion victims?

John_Hugill said...

Just left a message - but had a problem sending it...

Anyway, I'd like to thank everyone who got back to me. i'm taking on your suggestions on board!

Can i ask if anyone wants to get in touch or would like to be a regular contact of mine please email me on john.hugill@slp.co.uk and I'll then have your details.

PS I might go the meeting on Wednesday. Sounds interesting what's going on there.

nobbly brick said...

I think it's quite nice to have a bit of whimsey in life, especially on the grey streets of (south) London I may not always like the 'artistic' interpretation but generally it doesn't bother.

The issue of personal safety is, I think, more complex. For instance, there is a big school of thought (that I happen to agree with) that says that wearing a helmet (on your head) whilst cycling encourages risk taking and therefore 'increases' your risk-taking and exposure to danger. I think this may be the gist of the argument behind removing such things as bollards (where bollards are provided for such a personal risk). More often than not bollards are there to stop people parking on the footpath as much as anything else.

Anonymous said...

Don't get involved with this lot John, it will be all tales of organic deli's and mung beans, if you join the mung bean club, you will have to give up writing for the South London, mung bean eaters never like hearing the truth. Stick to reporting crime, because this mob will tell you our streets are crime free, and any crime that may be committed is done by the disadvantaged. Stay away from this Lot John and you will keep your integrity and sanity intact.

drakefell debaser said...

Don't get involved with this lot John, it will be all tales of organic deli's and mung beans…

Is it clever to include yourself in this generalisation by commenting in the first place?

@ Nobbly: Cotton wool suits might become mandatory one day along with hard hats, just incase.

Bea said...

In Leuven, Belgium in front of the town hall is a large market square that has no defined road yet is on a busy buss route. The paving is all one level and pedestrians mingle with cyclist and cars as well as the busses.

A photo is here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/musely/3115487494/

Aesthetically it is pleasing and there were no accidents on the days I was there, however, my one reservation is that small kids do not understand that this is NOT a pavement but also a road. They want to run helter-skelter and need continuous warning about impending traffic – all-in-all not very relaxing.

I noticed that last week the BBC London news programme was asking for people’s opinion on this very topic.

Personally I favour tasteful bollards separating pedestrian from traffic with clear demarcations of where pavement begins and road ends.

nobbly brick said...

You're posting, you're involved

Brockley Nick said...

Nobbly said: "I think this may be the gist of the argument behind removing such things as bollards (where bollards are provided for such a personal risk). More often than not bollards are there to stop people parking on the footpath as much as anything else."

The argument against railings on safety grounds is I think largely that they encourage people to leap over them and that people get injured being squashed up against them. They also encourage more reckless driving. I don't think any of these arguments apply to bollards, which personally I have no issue with on aesthetic or practical grounds.

Anonymous said...

Hmm doesn't look like Leuven has a big problem with kids getting squashed. Perhaps this is the answer, especially if it encourages parents keep an eye on their kids and actually interact with them as they should

STO said...

Remember this is Belgium

Most of the children are locked in cellars......

STO said...

Sorry that's allegedly.

Anonymous said...

As opposed to the UK where the parents kidnap their own children and keep them hidden under a bed ... ?

Anonymous said...

It's also the land of chocolate.

I want to see some studies that back up these "arguments" and "schools of thought" - otherwise they're nothing but mung bean-fuelled platitudes.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon - there have been countless studies, some of which have already been linked to on this site elsewhere. If that all sounds too high-falutin for you, go to some of the roads in Hackney or Kensington where they've done it.

nobbly brick said...

anon - the response would be 'jfgi' (try looking that up on google as well.

But here's one to get you going:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51695.php

Brockley Nick said...

Thanks for posting that one. I remember it getting it reported. Until that point, I'd always assumed that it was the cyclist who took more risks as a result of having the helmet. But no, it's drivers. Of course!

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Bea said...

Anon: try these links:

http://www.its.leeds.ac.uk/projects/primavera/p_calming.html

www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/trafficcalmingmeasuresleaflet-rev-final.pdf

They may allay some of your scepticism

nobbly brick said...

A similar theory has been applied to seat belt wearing as well I think - google will probably throw that up as well.

Bea said...

Has any one else noticed the new traffic calming measures on Wickham Road. I think the technical word is "build outs" with "cushions"?

The bollards there look totally acceptable. I wonder if they could do something similar on Brockley Road or is traffic density too high for "build outs"?

Also, since there are wooden bollards by the bus stop, in front of the sorting office, surely the same could be introduced to the stretch opposite the Brockley Barge.

Sue said...

there is a 'really exciting' highways report on 'street clutter' and the removal thereof going to Mayor and Cabinet soon, will try to remember to flag it up on my blog when it's published :). It's looking precisely at where unnecessary street clutter can be removed. We're hoping to get some of the railings in the Ladywell Road area removed, but need to think about how it's done, so we don't just end up with a bigger on pavement parking problem . . . A safety audit has been done on that and the junction of Wickham Rd with Brockley Rd, but I'm still trying to extract the findings from officers. . .

Sue said...

btw - I also chased up again about the big pot hole on the forecourt on Brockley Rd (opp St Andrews) a couple of weeks ago, but haven't been passed recently to see if it has been fixed - anyone noticed?

Anonymous said...

I was in a car accident a few years ago. The bollards completely saved us from swerving into the shop on the other side of the pavement!

I don't think the bollards in East Dulwich are that nice but the idea of adding a creative element is great and show attention to detail. The lamposts are fantastic and it is nice to see colourful walls, shop fronts etc. on Lordship lane.

Anonymous said...

Interesting to see that the council has commissioned a report on street clutter - and at the same time has totally cluttered up the Wickham road with there recent bollards; completely against conservation area guidelines.

Anonymous said...

Oh noes, not the conservation area police...

Jake said...

I am stunned at what happened to Wickham Road, it's amazing there was no protest. I can't even find the words describe the unsightlyness of it all. Obviously safety is important, but the traffic management planners or whoever was responsible for this mess have gone so over the top it is unreal. We have humps, cushions, lines, bollards, yellow signs traffic signs, they put crossings in, fine, but they took up pavings and replaced it with tarmac. How f*cking dare you, come into our area and degrade it, like that.

Traffic now weaves through humps and bumps, belching out fumes and they slow and rev.
I don't think I am going to bother with trying to make this place better because it's one step forward and two back with such an inept, inefficient and useless council. They sabotage goodwill and community enthusiasm.

Lady said...

I really do think a piece on Lewisham Council would be a great topic. I deal with Household Repairs and Leasehold Services on a daily basis and the level of incompetency within the organisation makes me choke. I pay for their time and efforts and on top of that I pay their costs under the terms of my lease but it is run so appallingly that results are rare. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall and see exactly what goes in there. I think it must be a special skill to cock everything up so consistently and so well. Really if the council got their act together the good residents of Lewisham would have more time to get out into the community and do exciting things and would get used to efficiency and results as the norm, rather than the alternative, frustration and apathy and decay.

Joanne said...

My sympathies to Lady. I'm also a leaseholder and trying to get some repairs done, which is proving impossible so far. Rapidly coming to the conclusion that the council employs people to make up excuses and pass the buck rather than get anything done.

Anonymous said...

And where is Brockley Society whilst this is going on? An organsiation formed to protect the conservation area and the only ones with a regular seat on the planning committee, and who receive notice, by post, of all planning apps? And Broc Soc, don't tell us that Broc Soc is us and what we want it to be. You guys have taken up the position - how abut also taking up the remit and using your position to protect the conservation area? It's alright to organise community events, but the conservation area is being ripped apart and Broc Soc isn't objecting or fighting against it at all; which can be seen by looking at planning apps details on Lewisham council website and the lack of Broc Soc objections. No wonder you guys don't like this site.

Headhunter said...

You are correct. The council does employ people to make excuses and pass the buck. The council has farmed out all this sort of thing to private companies on multi million pound contracts who then fail to do anything. Take the wall on Wickham Rd/Cranfield. how long has it been now? I emailed a few people last week including the council. The only response from the council was "we are not Pinnacle Housing". That was it. No more information informing me that Pinnacle is responsible, that I can contact them on blah, blah. Just a statment absolving themselves of all responsibility.

Anonymous said...

Maybe both Lewisham Council and Brockley Society have more important, tangible and meaningful things to worry about than the minutae of the Conservation Area guidelines.

Tressillian James said...

Anon - seeing that Brockley Society was set up to do exactly that - I am concerned if they have more important things to do than that.

Also please remember that the council wrote the guidelines that we as residents have to stick to. Surely it's not too much to ask them to do the same?

Sue said...

er, Broc Soc doesn't have a seat on any planning ctte, but a representative can and often does go along to mtgs and comments on applications on behalf of the society. Any member of the public can send in a comment on a planning app, and you can search for recent apps in your area on Lewisham's Planning Portal.

Anonymous said...

It is not minutae, go down wickham Road and look at the state of the place, as I type bright yellow lines are being painted down long stretches of the Harefield and Cranfield junction.

This isn't what I would consider a petty issue. If you've not see Wickham Road for a bit and see it now, you'll be shocked.

Tressillian James said...

Sorry Sue - but yes they do - a member of Broc Soc is invited and attends the amenities board where the palnnig apps are discussed.

Headhunter said...

Anon - what's "minutae" about maintanence of people's homes and generally keeping an area in good repair when you are set to be paid multi millions of pounds of taxpayers money for several years to do just that?

Tressillian James said...

Sue - what do you think about what is happening to Wickham Road?

fabhat said...

Anonymous 11.19: the yellow lines are to stop people parking on the corners of the wickham road junctions - which might help reduce accidents. I haven't noticed the other stuff yet, but I read the planning apps posted along the road re the road painting.

Anonymous said...

Fabhat, I understand that, I am unreasonable about traffic management, but the lines are not just around the corners, they go further down to where the newly put speed bumps are. My partner saw it this moment and his response was "bloody hell".

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Tressillian James said...

Also is this a case of putting in preventative action to spend budgets - have there been accidents along Wickham Road caused by this lack of street furniture? All I see is that a once grand and pleasant residential street is now looking like a sow's ear.

Anonymous said...

Still don't understand - aren't yellow lines commonplace on UK roads?

Tressillian James said...

Not on residential streets or in conservation areas,Anon. Hope that clarifies

Headhunter said...

Can someone describe what has been put in place in Wickham Rd? I had no idea changes were planned. Has it really made that much difference? There were already speed humps and some traffic calming

Anonymous said...

They aren't around here, they were sparingly used. Think about the road that runs along Hilly Fields, there's barely any lines on it.

Now we have yellow splashed about and blue reflective signs and red reflective rims around the numerous bollards that have appeared.

What is thinking behind putting two crossings less than 20 metres from each other. You have slowed the traffic down with the staggered humps so people can get across more easily anyway.

Obviously this is not the end of the world, it does look awful, but it has done is change the nature of the road. Wickham road is fairly busy at peak hours, what this has done is make the place look hectic, with signs, lines everywhere you look, and there's no switching off, because those signs and lines are there all the time regardless of traffic.

It is very sad actually, that's life in Lewisham. Anything good gets crushed.

Sue said...

@Tressillian James: can't comment on what's been done on Wickham Road as I haven't seen it. It's not my patch, but pls do raise any concerns with Brockley ward cllrs.

To clarify re Broc Soc and planning: yes, they have a place on the amenities panel, but they don't have a place or vote on the planning ctte where final decisions are actually taken - that is made up of just cllrs.

Tamsin said...

Broc Soc does have a seat not on the Planning Committees - which are only Councillors - but on the LPAC (?) which is where representatives of all conservation areas in the Borough can comment to officers on all planning applications in all conservtion areas at a very early stage - marathon fortnightly (I think) Thursday evening meetings.

Anonymous said...

Who is the cllr for Brockley? Not very visible and much of an advocate for us, I think this person better shape up or ship out.

Headhunter said...

Smacks of last minute spending at the end of the financial year. If councils don't spend the money allocated to certain cost silos, they lose it don't they?

Shame that the money blown here couldn't have been used on on of the other projects around Brockley screaming for attention - perhaps tidying up Brockley Cross? Sorting out the smashed up railings near the Barge? Brockley Common/providing better quality materials for the station project? Better governance of the conservation area?

The council obviously deems it better to spend buckets of cash on street furniture and decorations for motorists passing through Brockley in their cars, rather than something to actually benefit people living in Brockley.

Headhunter said...

Isn't Darren Johnson the Cllr for the conservation area patch?

Anonymous said...

"The council obviously deems it better to spend buckets of cash on street furniture and decorations for motorists passing through Brockley in their cars"

Headhunter please! I'm not in the mood to laugh today. :(

Anonymous said...

@Sue I thought yur ward covered some of the conservation area - the bottom of Breakspears road etc. Although Wickham road might not be yours, I thought you would be interested in the Conservation area as a whole; and it is the ward of a fellow Green Party councillor. You were interested enpugh to comment on this blog, can you help us out by finding out how this one got through and why?

Tressilliana said...

My impression is that often money councils have is ringfenced by central govt, so maybe the council had a bit left in a fund it could only use for speed bumps etc. This is a crazy aspect of public finance as it means there is very little flexibility to use the money where it is most needed. The pavements locally are not in a good state and should have been a higher priority in my view. I'm thinking particularly of the paving on the stretch of Tressillian Road down to St Margaret's Road.

Hugh said...

Anyone know if the Stephen Lawrence centre is opening this side of the Olympics? I only ask because I assume we paid for it.

Ed said...

It beggars belief that any money is spent on the road system before Brockley Cross and the paving on Brockley Road are sorted. I would only change my view if it were shown that all this stuff will prevents accidents at danger spots. I suspect this is budget driven as mentioned above...

Anonymous said...

It's kinda heartbreaking when there is so much need in this ward to spend so much money on something that appears from my mind to be unnecessary.

Look at the Brockley Common project, they are crying out for funds, something that if successful will benefit a lot of local residents, improve the area for visitors and improve Brockley as a whole. In that project the council is arguing the toss about specified materials and saying that they're unaffordable yet thousands are spent on white lines and an assortment of traffic management paraphernalia. There's less road signs on the A2.

What is going on here? Someone needs to explain this. This has set a precendent for the conservation area, but to be honest the Conservation status is not really issue, the council shouldn't do this to any road without explaining things.

Brockley Nick said...

I'm hopefully getting some pictures of the work sent to me later today

Anonymous said...

And if you get an opportunity to see the before pics... then hits home even further.

Anonymous said...

Usually yellow lines mean that you can't park on them at specified times, or at all.

Perhaps there is no "explaining" to be done, and the council would like to stop people parking at specified times?

Give me strength, this sort of thing really doesn't need a press conference!

BrockleyBiker said...

The money (that went on Wickham Road) would have been far better spent dealing with the huge amount of damage caused by the recent cold weather to the road surfaces. The roads, already in a state, are now completely decimated in places. The bottom of Harefield Road and the bit of Tressilian between Harefield Road and Hilly Fields Crescent are two particualry good examples, where several large pot holes are now merging into one.

Anonymous said...

Yes it does need explaining because we are in a democracy. This is our home, most of us pay substantial council tax, we pay their wages, many pay road tax, so when a reasonable question is asked by the people who pay their wages it's not unreasonable to expect an answer, thougn not necessarily in press conference format.

nobbly brick said...

Hugh, in the absence of other comments to the SL centre - it is open, for security staff to patrol at the very least. But it is the most miserable looking building - very aggressive, sharp and angular (I'm not assuming you don't know what it looks like, it's just my opinion)

for what it's worth

Sick building syndrome

Headhunter said...

I was never really sure where this building was... Is it the angular, glassy affair near One SE8 and Deptford Broadway DLR station near that new little park they've created?

nobbly brick said...

It looks like a crude arrangement of cheesegraters - it's on the site of an old Water Works building (listed I believe) that mysteriously caught fire and had to be knocked down -it's on the Deptford end of Brookmill Gardens.

It's a pity that an influential architect such as David Adjaye has built what, to me, looks like a painful and rejecting building.

Tressillian James said...

HH -yup
NB - good description of the building, it is not very inclusive, open or welcoming

tyrwhitt michael said...

You can recognise it (the SLC) by the (still) boarded up windows....

Hugh said...

The SLC looks like a small high-security prison and seems to have been closed since it opened, what, two years ago? How much did it cost us?

nobbly brick said...

Here's an informative link:

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=3126867

Anonymous said...

What, or who, is the Stephen Lawrence Centre actually for?

nobbly brick said...

try the link above

Headhunter said...

Actually anon, I was going to ask the same question just didn't want to seem stupid - who is the building for?!

Headhunter said...

The links still doesn't say who the building is for, just that it cost loads.

Brockley Nick said...

It was a built as a centre to work with young people from across London (particularly the local area) to inspire an interest in design and architecture and give them specialist training in relevant skills. It's a laudable aim and despite the building's ironic shortcomings, I understand that the work with young people goes on. I met one of the people involved at - I think - BrocSoc AGM and he was a very inspiring figure.

nobbly brick said...

try googling "stephen lawrence centre"


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Headhunter said...

It's a shame the building was vandalised and now has to be locked up like a fortress. Such a shame that public buildings now have to built to the lowest common denominator because if anything of style is built the response is often just to destroy it...

Brockley Nick said...

They don't have to be built for the lowest common denominator at all. One nob-head smashes a window, doesn't mean you abandon any attempt at building a civil society at all. Maybe you don't go as far as actually making the focal point of your building very expensive and very fragile windows, but there's no reason these things need to be turned in to fortresses at all.

There are lots of good public buildings being built, just lots of bad ones too. If you build for the lowest common denominator, you end up with Lewisham police station.

Sue said...

Hugh: the centre is open and has been for well over a year. They have lots of students using it, but I think it's fair to say they could do better at promoting their work to the local community. Glad to see that a noticeboard did finally appear outside the building a few months back though.

Recent article on Stephen Lawrence Centre. Another take on it can be found here . Lewisham Council doesn't own or run the centre; it did give the centre £15,000 to help with security costs after the vandalism last year, but the centre doesn't seem to have managed to get the remaining cash needed.

Hugh said...

Thanks Sue - I'm genuinely surprised. I run past it most weekends and never see signs of life. How does it work? Do otherwise unoccupied youths rock up, sit around in wicked designer chairs all afternoon and watch videos about Le Corbusier?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the staff have the weekends off Hugh.

Perhaps "our money" wasn't sufficient to pay for weekend overtime.

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