Lewisham publishes the North Deptford consultation report

Lewisham Council has just published a report on the local consultation process undertaken in North Deptford. You can download it here.

The area encompasses Convoys Wharf, which is arguably the Borough's most important development opportunity and the subject of a Richard Rogers masterplan that is currently on hold while the GLA conducts a review of whether the city's wharves merit greater protection as places of work.

It doesn't tell us what the results of the public consultation actually were, so we're not quite sure what the purpose of this particular document is, other than to reassure us all that the process was more involved that watching a copy of "The Tower". But it nonetheless provides a useful summation of just how much development is currently on the drawing board for this stretch of the Thames riverside.

28 comments:

853blog said...

Interesting. I wonder if Greenwich council regrets handing over its chunk of that side of Deptford to Lewisham, especially now it contains "Lewisham's biggest development opportunity"?

Mind you, considering the cack-handed way Greenwich has dealt with its remaining chunk of SE8, that might not be such a bad thing.

Brockley Nick said...

If you were blogging from this side of the border, you would no doubt regard Greenwich as a model borough in comparison to Lewisham ;)

853blog said...

But your grass is so green!

max said...

Interesting to read that the paper specifies that the GLA thinks that to make it into a cruise liner terminal is not considered as appropriate.

That's all. It is not appropriate.

I tell you what's not appropriate, that London doesn't have a cruise liner approach is not appropriate.

We're missing on a gigantic economic opportunity.
Thousands of jobs, lots of movement of people, tourists and goods going through Deptford but it can't be done because somebody at the GLA thinks that "it is not appropriate".
Makes my blood boil.

They "involve" people of the estates with consultation workshops and yet they can't see how they could give them a job.

Brockley Nick said...

Max, I agree, I don't see why we wouldn't want such a facility? Tourism, skilled jobs, dramatic sight of huge cruise liners coming up the Thames. Do you know what the argument against it is?

max said...

It's not appropriate.

Brockley Nick said...

Well you can't argue with that.

853blog said...

There always used to be a plan to turn the vacant land on the Greenwich side of Deptford Creek, by Wood Wharf, into a cruise liner terminal. Not sure if that's in the current development, though.

max said...

It should be a strategic priority for London really.

Tressillian James said...

I was racking my brains about why this would not be appropriate - and thought about traffic levels - but then discounted that as they could run river boats to take the passengers into central London. 'Appropriate' has become such a negative word used to block all reasonable argument.

david said...

Would one of the full size cruise liner's actually make it up the Thames past the flood barrier? I know I've seen some of the smaller ones up past the barrier but can't immediately think of a time I've seen a decent size ship up the river ...

Monkeyboy said...

may not get massive ones but HMS Ark Royal has bearthed at Greenwich so you can get a useful size gin palace up here.

(Bet all those young sailors in their crisp whites gets one of our regular contributors all of a flutter)

drakefell debaser said...

I know they make them pretty big now but I have seen some large ones moored in front of where Deptford Creek enters the Thames. Around 10 storeys of cabins so I would say. Even if it excludes the very biggest, London still becomes a cruise destination for a lot of operators and it could be added to the routes from Southampton to Norway for example.

One potential issue is that the Thames is tidal so they would probably have to dredge the Thames to remove the sandbanks near the creek and control the low tide levels from the barrier a bit more. I am sure in this day and age where the Emirates are building their own archipelagos in the shapes of poems and palm trees, this is possible.

max said...

I would like to know more about the Deptford Creek proposal.
It's another wasteland and any consideration made on Convoy's Wharf applies just equally to it.

But looking it up on Googlemap it looks like it's got about a third of the riverfront of Convoy's Wharf.

Plus Convoy's Wharf is a clean slate even inland.
What's stopping it from being appropriate?

max said...

The people that were proposing it some times ago had done studies and thought that big ships can get there.

fabhat said...

There is a floating cruise terminal that the Port of London launched with much fanfare a few years ago and when I used to work around Wapping you would often see monster size ships berthed on the rotherhithe side of the river. Links to Port of London cruise ship info here:
http://www.pla.co.uk/display_fixedpage.cfm/id/201/site/port%20of%20london

Hugh said...

Is that converted train cariage off Deptford High Street still in business as a trendy caff? Should we have a BC recession summit there one weekend where we could hang out being cool over espressos and swapping clever apercus about things in the FT? Even better if the Goldsmiths stunnas are nearby, although I grant the risk of them pointing, giggling and uttering words like 'tool'.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Hugh

Do you mean;

I grant there is a risk of them......

or have you nodded off again before finishing your sentence?

Hugh said...

Juss keeping it fresh, blud.

nobbly brick said...

It's rubbish Hugh, full of grubby virgins (OK, it's getting better for you), some with big hair and pale skin, (OK, it's your kind of place). Junk market around the corner is fab.

jon s said...

Sod the cruise liner terminal, how about high speed catamaran depot for a real ferry service ala Sydney?

max said...

Probably also generic inappropriate.

max said...

And why not both? There's a lot of riverfront there.

Reguarding the floating approach, I see that it does the job but it makes me think that in 50x14 meters there's not much chance of exploiting to the full the economic opportunities that the situation presents.
Looks like an approach was muscled out by the return on housing developments on the river and they had to come up with an ingenuous solution.

Headhunter said...

I didn't realise that the Richard Rogers masterplan was on hold while the GLA conducted a review of whether the city's wharves merit greater protection as places of work. I thought the land was just lost in some investor's "real estate" portfolio and had been securitised off. Encouraging to hear that there still may be a "masterplan"

Anonymous said...

remember the great eastern was launched from around here so there is a bit of history large ship wise.

Headhunter said...

There's tons of shipping history along the river in SE London. Greenwich with the Naval College - now part of the uni, Woolwich where Henry VIII had most of his ships built and Deptford has a huge shipping history (not to mention slavery shipments) - look at the old Deptford town hall which is all done out in maritime motifs with sculptures of Neptune etc. Much of SE London owes its wealth (or past wealth) to the river and shipping.

Brockley Mung said...

I believe that ship, as they say, has sailed.

Hugh said...

Did you ming once?

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