Major new housing development proposed for west side


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A planning application has been made to build 32 new homes on the strip of brown field land between St Norbert Road and the railway line, right next to Brockley Station’s western entrance. The homes would be provided in two three-storey linear blocks.

Full details of the application are available here.

The designs look to be of reasonable quality and the new homes will rescue a derelict site, formerly occupied by light-industry, placing a buffer between the current homes and the noise of the railway line (which is about to get busier, thanks to the East London Line). However, it will also mean some homes’ gardens are overlooked, with some loss of sunlight in some cases. The project would join a long line of developments, clustered around the station, on the west side, including Bridge House, Glass House and Martin’s Yard.

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is this a good thing for the area?

Anonymous said...

Mmmm, could turn out that the Broca Food Market picked a prime location when setting up westside.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. I moved to Brockley a few years ago and bought west side because of the relative low cost and decent housing stock. One of the things that attracted me was the areas potential. I downloaded some masterplan for brockley and there were all these areas around the station highlighted with potential for redevelopment. I figured, perhaps wrongly, that this side of the tracks was under selling itself as an area and that it was only a matter of time (with the arrival of the ELL) that all these enclaves around the station would get snaffled up. If this development happens it will mean that within 4 years of moving here, every single one of those areas will have been transformed.

The Cat Man said...

I hope it will be decent houses not council houses - we need more rich people west side!

Anonymous said...

I'd kind of hoped Waitrose might compliment the Broca offerings "westside", rather than more housing.

Brockley Nick said...

"Is it a good thing for the area?"

I think it's a good efficient use of a litter-strewn industrial site, which is nicely located for public transport, so reduces need for cars. It helps Brockley meet its share of Lewisham's new homes target and could add some new life and local spending to the west side (and east side of course).

However, if you live on St Norbert's road, then you have to decide whether you like backing on to housing or train tracks better. I'm sure opinion will be divided on that one.

The Cat Man said...

As long as it won't become a haven for single beer swigging mums with 10 crying babies under their belt.

I'm not sure which us worse: henriettas or chavs?

drakefell debaser said...

The decision to use open walkways for these new flats could exacerbate the problem of being overlooked. Open walkways can also be unsightly when people use them to dry their laundry so if you live on St Norbert's Rd you will have to hope for considerate neighbours, or start planting fir trees at the end of your yard just in case.

I hope that this development leads to the relocation of that unsightly housing office made of porta cabins next the station entrance as well.

Anonymous said...

Bit rough down that way.

Monkeyboy said...

...predictable unpleasentness from the intelectual ameoba.

westsider said...

Monkeyboy I was just thinking it's a sign of how this online community has matured that Catman's comments used to enrage people and now they're ignored.

Still, good news on the homes. Bring em on. Let's get a few more people over our side. Anything to stop that spot feeling so miserable.

Anonymous said...

great!!!a few more people on the already packed trains

Mb said...

I do try and bite my tounge but sometimes.....

Brockley Nick said...

Anon - if only there was some sort of new train service coming to Brockley, that would increase increase the frequency of rush hour trains from 4-6 per hour to 12-14 per hour.

That might just about offset 30 new homes being built nearby.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see new housing on the site of portacabin housing office.

Danja said...

Anon bites the dust

Anonymous said...

I like that they are providing larger flats suitable for families rather than just the standard 1/2bed ones. Agree with the other comments about the walkways though and design wise I think that it is pretty low quality which is a shame. The other proposed developments around there (other than the tea factory) suffer from the same problem - neither close enough to the existing to blend in or sufficiently interesting architecturally to make any sort of statement just boring bland modern development.

Tamsin said...

Yes, but on calculations done by the Forest Hill Society and Sydenham people who have really gone into things in detail I don't think there will actually be any extra capaicity, once the anticipated increase of passengers is taken into account - and that increase presumably did not include these new developments.

Communters at NXG won't have a chance!

Tamsin said...

But new homes, especially if they are a decent size, have to be better than the present wasteland. Just jack up the capacity of the railway - so what if some of the fast trains have to stop at say Brockley and NXG rather than rushing through with their pampered outer London passengers (each with a seat and leg-room).

Danja said...

So there will be no extra capacity once the extra capacity has been used up, Tamsin?

Node said...

I always quite liked our bastard child of Brockley west-side vibe. These flats all look cheap and, to be honest I prefer looking at the trees that will no doubt be chopped down to make way for this.

Not sure many families would like to live next to a railway either...

The Cat Man said...

Very poor design - looks post war council block design to me.

Suggest put a park there instead

Tamsin said...
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Tamsin said...

@ Danja - something like that. Richard did explain - that the extra seats x carriages x hour (coming in after June) minus the seats x carriages x hour (that we are losing on 12th May) was not enough for TFl's own projected figures for the expected increase in passenger numbers, but I was tired, and cold, and my brain just glazed over.

It does, though, seem clear that with all the new developments around Brockley those trying to get onto the trains at NXG will have a difficult time. Not that many people will be getting off to go to Goldsmiths.

TreeHugger said...

Will the conservation people let them cut the trees down.

Danja said...

I'll bet it will be fine.

Brockley Nick said...

@Tamsin - I'd like to see the workings behind that maths.

Don't forget, there is NO reduction in services to or from London Bridge in the morning. The only capacity reduction is in the evening, when overcrowding is less problematic.

In other words, in the mornings, there will be 8 x new trains per hour added and none subtracted.

Also, the carriage lengths of the London Bridge trains will be increased, not decreased, in future.

So I'm with Danja, I can't see how there will be a problem.

Brockley Nick said...

@Treehugger - if yours was a serious question, the answer is that it's not a conservation area.

Anonymous said...

Do we know if the flats be privately owned or local authority/housing association? (will we be able to afford to live there!) And will the existing schools/doctors surgeries be set up to cope with new families?
Will be nice to get some new life into that area though...

dan said...

no provision for parking which may be an issue on the already congested streets especially with the anticipated increase in commuters dumping cars when ELL comes.
from a personal point we will be overlooked. that said the rubbish dump that exists at there at the moment i will be glad to see the back of. would rather have seen something 2 storey and agree it is hardly an inspiring design.

ppp said...

There'll be people coming far and wide to use the ELL zone 2 with free parking nearby.

Anonymous said...

Also about this new development what's happening regarding the section 106 funding to help the area cope?

Headhunter said...

Haven't looked at this in detail, but on the whole I welcome redevelopment of brownfield sites. Rather that than build on park land (permission was given a year or 2 ago to build on a chunk of Crystal Palace) or along the mews in Brockley. There's a lot of derelict and inefficiently used land across SE London, old factory sites etc, before we start bemoaning the lack of accomodation and building all over green field sites.

The Cat Man said...

The colour of the brick they are proposing is guess what....GREY. This is disgusting, we already have a battleship grey block on the street - why do we need another one? At least make it a decent colour!

StuartX said...

When we looked into this 6 years ago and agreed an urban design strategy we were promised that every development would give us a planning gain (so called section 106) to plough into the public realm improvements (especially Brockley Cross and around station). This relies on Lewisham Officers negotiating with developers. They are supposed to involve community and especially local groups. BXAG, however hasn't been contacted about this development to my knowledge and we've certainly not heard of any section 106 award to the community. Same for new Mantle Road development and old Speedicars site. Meanwhile Brockley Common sits there unfinished.....

The Cat Man said...

On the somewhat plus side I registered a complaint against the planning proposal for the battleship gre block previously which was seriously debated at the planning consultation meeting which was a good show by the council. Suggest do the same - register an objection and state the grounds clearly. They will listen to genuine concerns!

Anonymous said...

In the meantime Lewisham Council continues to turn a blind eye to the often illegal conversion of family houses into flats, further exacerbating the acute shortage of family houses in the area. If you try to objest you are forced to reveal your home address leaving you wide open to the criminal fraternity who love this area as an easy place to wash their ill gotten gains. Does anyone care? Certainly not the Council who seem hell bent on making it harder than ever before for families to stay in the area. Roll on the election and may the tawdry "Labour" administration be banished from this long suffering area!

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