The Evening Standard on the East London Line effect

Stuff of more substance coming up soon, we promise, but in the mean time, The Evening Standard has been writing about the impact of house prices that the East London Line has had along areas on its route since 2008.

They say:

Exclusive research for the Evening Standard today showed the value of properties in areas such as Haggerston, Shadwell, Wapping and New Cross have risen sharply over the past two years.

More details in the original article, but of specific stops of BC interest, they say:

Brockley

Price: £294,157 (+7.8%)
Best roads: Five minutes' walk from the station, Wickham Road is rated one of the area's best.
Why live there: The area is not short of green spaces with Blythe Hill, Brockley and Hilly Fields.
Who lives there: actor David Haig and musician Nick Nicely.

New Cross/Gate

Price: £286,036 (+22.7%).
Best roads: Billington Road and Pepys Road for Victorian houses.
Why live there: Excellent if you are a Millwall fan. Good pubs include the Amersham Arms. “Outstanding” Haberdashers' Aske's Hatcham College.
Who lives there: Musician Steve Harley grew up here.

Honor Oak does not get a mention.

49 comments:

lb said...

The Standard is incapable of looking at anything except through the lens of house prices. It's a bit like reading a less-informative version of the Telegraph's poppier bits crossed with El Alcázar circa 1937 and a Foxton's catalogue. Oh, and with added Anne Mcelvoy, which is surely an extra reason to consign it straight to the waste paper basket.

Brockley Nick said...

@LB - anything that alerts Londoners to the ELL's existence is alright in my book. Still get blank looks when I mention it to people.

Monkeyboy said...

I was looking at new cross bit couldn't find anything at the time, mind you I looked ( briefly) at peckam.

Do you think "research" was phoning a few estate agents? Still, the only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about.

Matt-Z said...

'...opened up previously isolated parts of the capital'. Pfft. Yes, it's a wonder any one ever went to New Cross before the ELL (re)opened.

Bea said...

If by that they mean South East London was isolated then there were 1,222,030 of us who were!

Anonymous said...

a bit of a case of fog in the Channel, Continent cut off...

Anonymous said...

Nick

Not insisting on calling it the ELL might be a start. It's not called the ELL on anything official now. Call it the London Overground line, and then at least you'll get a mix of people knowing what you're talking about and others who say "what, the trains?"

Brockley Nick said...

Oh I call it all sorts of things - the overland, the tube, whatever (although note that the Standard calls it the ELL).

I dislike calling it the overground because people confuse it with overland services and because the other overground services in London don't compare in terms of frequency and quality of service and connections.

The main challenge is that people, generally, are pig ignorant about the world around them. So it will take years for the fact of its existence to sink in.

lb said...

"Do you think "research" was phoning a few estate agents?"

Undoubtedly. "The area is not short of green spaces with Blythe Hill, Brockley and Hilly Fields" makes no sense, unless "Brockley" (in the area of, er, Brockley) is now considered a "green space". Also Blythe Hill is in Crofton Park, but I'm just nit-picking now. I assume this is just something an estate agent jabbered down the phone at them.

"Still, the only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about"

I dunno, we've done rather nicely from not being talked about these past fifty years or so.

We have an embarassment of riches on the station front. Only someone from North London could ever have considered Brockley 'isolated', (and only someone without feet could have considered Shoreditch 'isolated', for that matter).

Moira said...

My friend asked the ticket people at Notting Hill Gate the other day about the directions I'd given her to get to Brockley ie Jubilee to Canada Water then the ELL to Brockley They said there wasn't a connection there and produced a Spring 2010 London Underground map to prove it - they were right the ELL was not on it.

Anonymous said...

It's still called the ELL on some of the electronic sign posts.

Anonymous said...

@Moira. As the line wasn't open in spring, I wouldn't expect it to be on the spring tube map. It's definitely on the May 2010 map though

Anonymous said...

Given that few Norf London types have the urban navigation skills that would surpass that of a gopher, this is hardly surprising.

I suspect it will take quite some time for their old tube maps to fade. Once they are updated with shiny new air conditioned, tastefull orange and brown liveried routes then their world will be forever changed. Extending to the sunlit uplands and verdant glades of South London.

However, it is disappointing that the likes of TFL cannot inform it's staff of changes to the network they are supposed to manage.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Headhunter

If you are going to comment on the Evening Standard site please spell Tyrwhitt correctly.

uratwat said...

Groan at HH what a pushy arriviste he is.

TJ(O) said...

Does anyone else not like being called 'the suburb of Brockley'? What do you have to do to be classed as inner city. We have the shootings, ipod crime (remember those posters), and are minutes away from London Bridge...

elsiemaudboy said...

uratwat - what a great name - is that what everyone calls you?

don't see why HH comment on the Evening standard is either pushy or arriviste.

But as you say, uratwat, ...oh I thnik I'll stop there

yourmum said...

"oh I thnik I'll stop there"

Yes you should have. foolish person.

Brockley Nick said...

OK now people, please stop being rude to one another.

HH's post was of a considerably higher standard than this effort by "Londoner":

"The Train tickets are so cheap, we can pay high prices for the houses & travel everyday to London. what a load of rubbish."

Anonymous said...

Wait until they open a Pizza Express in the area, then you'll see that finally we are on the map!

pip said...

What on earth is wrong with Headhunter's comment (spelling aside)? Amazing what can get you attacked on this blog!

Anonymous said...

Let's hope that all potential house hunters arriving at brockley station can use the stairs- the gate was unabled to be opened after my journey this afternoon- the one member of staff on duty 'didn't have a key!' a young mum with a push chair and another passenger walking with sticks had to struggle up the stairs with the rest of us- incredible!

mintness said...

On the subject of nomenclature, I notice Southeastern have been stepping up their use of the "metro" sub-brand for their commuter trains into and out of London recently. Haven't been on a Southern train for ages so I don't know if there's an equivalent, but if the name ever catches on (colloquially if not officially), it might be one way of avoiding the now well-established Overground/overground/overland confusion...

lb said...

I note they didn't point out it was called "Arkley" these days.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Whoops stirred up a hornet's nest by pointing out a simple spelling error.

Tyrwhitt Road is probably too far from the Overground to be convienient, when compared to St Johns or Lewisham in any event.

I think we have to stick with Overground which is what is written on the trains and the stations.

All the former British Rail services have their own names although I still see a widespread use of the old British Rail red arrows emblem which I don't think is an official brand any longer is it?

The Royal Albert said...

Double kick in the teeth for me - I leave wickham road this week and mention of amersham arms rather than royal albert. Painful.

HH's comment said...

"Best Roads....Wickham Road is rated one of the area's best."

Not sure about that. Yes, the road is very wide and lined with trees and massive Victorian villas (7 or 8 bed in many cases) but there's a fair amount of traffic rat running along it. I would go for Manor Avenue or Breakspears Rd which are parallel to Wickham, or other roads in the Brockley conservation area such as Tyrrwhitt and Tressillian. The houses on these roads are a little smaller (more like 5-6 bedders) but they are generally freer of traffic.

- Headhunter, London, 23/08/2010 16:11

Anonymous said...

The article is about ease of getting to the ELL. For Brockley it states Wickham Road as "one of" the top rated, not "the" top rated. But no Headhunter needs to set the record 'straight', apparently Wickham Road is a 'rat run' and according to him it's much better to go for Manor Avenue (where he lives).

What he neglected to mention regarding Manor Avenue it that whilst it may be "freer of traffic" it is nose to tail with cars and it doesn't appear to be short of self absorbed busybodies!

M said...

You've commented 3 or 4 times on something Headhunter posted on another website, cut and pasted it above for all to see and called him names.

You were saying about 'busybodies'?

Back to the original topic: it's the Standard - it's going to be inaccurate and poorly written.
That said, I'm currently selling my flat so all publicity is good publicity. ;-)

Moira said...

Anon
That's an obvious but not a satisfactory explanation when LU know these maps are in circulation far longer than a few months.

How come London Underground couldn't show the line on the map with 'proposed opening' as they did with the DLR for a long time. And it doesn't excuse their staff not having a clue about it.

Warden said...

Please be careful anon, those busybodies are the Manor Ave Malitia. They may demand to know where you live and hunt you down.

TJ(O) said...

What has the Anon got against HH? Perfectly reasonable comments. I also thought when I read the original post that Wickham was not the best street in the area because of the traffic. The only thing you've done by cutting and pasting his comments is show how unreasonable you are.

I really dislike these petty-minded attacks on HH, because, at times, he has a different opinion.

Headhunter said...

Oh dear, in my absence a few twats seem to have come out of the woodwork.....

TM - sorry for mispelling Tyrwhitt... For some reason I've got a mental block on that!

TJ(O) - I agree, Brockley station is in zone 2, you wouldn't class other zone 2 destinations like Highbury & Islington, areas in West London like Holland Park etc as "suburbs"...

qbf said...

Wickham Road does have a fair bit of traffic - my cats and I wouldn't want to live there for that reason. The houses are a bit forbidding too, whereas most of the other Conservation Area roads feel quite neighbourly. It may be one of the most high profile roads in the area but it's very far from being the most desirable.

PS I don't get the fuss about HH's comment. You can hardly blame him for mentioning his own road, and you can't even accuse him of insincerity since he thought highly enough of it to buy a property there!

Headhunter said...

Exactly. If I thought Manor Ave was an utter sh*thole, why would I live there? For the record I do like Wickham. It's a very fine road. I actually enjoy walking along it with the dog admiring the grand houses, wondering what they were like in their heyday, I just don't like the traffic mowing along it so I wouldn't really live on it and don't believe it's "one of the best" roads in Brockers. But that is just my opinion....

Nursery said...

Anyone remember the Manor Avenue nursery application and Headhunter's input?

TJ(O) said...

Now we come to the crux of it - a disgruntled pro Nursery campaigner. I thought this had little to do with this thread.

The point of blogs like this is for people to express their views - even if you don't agree with them. I'm HH didn't loose you the nursery.

Nursery said...

TJ promoting neighbourhood invidiousness is not in anyones' interest.
It is the behaviour of twats

Nursery said...

And TJ(0) it is as perfectly acceptable for HH to say whatever he likes about any road in area as it for others to point out what pompous assed, selfish, bourgeois bike riding buffoon he is.

Good day!

Headhunter said...

God I seem to have unearthed a hive of twats.... Much as I would like to claim that I single handedly crushed the application to put a nursery on Manor Ave, I didn't.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Clearly need to do my research.....

The British Rail "double arrow" logo is formed of two interlocked arrows showing the direction of travel on a double track railway and was nicknamed "the arrow of indecision".

It is now employed as a generic symbol on street signs in Great Britain denoting railway stations, and as part of the Association of Train Operating Companies' jointly-managed National Rail brand—being still printed on railway tickets.

Anonymous said...

Is it the baby hormones, Nursery? Or the sleepless nights...

Anonymous said...

Again the platform gate a Brockley remained closed forcing passengers laden with heavy luggage to climb the stairs and queue up to get through the barrier.

Irritating, superflous public announcements and understaffed to the extent that there is no-one to push a button to open the gate is no-way to run a rail station.

The standard should write about that.

raindrop said...

@Nursery - a bit over the top? I assume you don't own a property (and have no aspirations to do so) and had no personal interest in the Manor Avenue nursery? If so, congratulations on being neither bourgeois nor selfish...nor indeed hypocritical.

Monkeyboy said...

Borgeois? I'm not entirely sure what that is but I've all ways liked the sound of it.

TJ(O) said...

When I was a child I always thought borgeois meant people who had plenty of trifle at every dinner.

mintness said...

The "arrow of indecision". That's marvellous!

Wickham Road rocks said...

Why are people dissing Wickham Road? it's a great road and it's at the heart of the C- Area. It has so many weird and wonderful people living along it.

Anonymous said...

that's why they call it the C area...

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