Cut it out

The Green Party press office confirms that Upper Brockley Road / Lewisham Way off-licence Supercuts has lost its appeal to stay open, after it was found to have encouraged years of anti-social behaviour in the area, culminating in a shooting incident during a street party:

Brockley Ward councillor for the Green Party, Darren Johnson, who gave evidence at the appeal today on behalf of local residents, welcomed Bromley Magistrates' decision to reject the appeal by Super Cuts off-licence in Upper Brockley Road. He commented:

"The Supercuts off-licence has been a nightmare for local residents the whole nine years I have been a councillor. Large noisy groups congregate outside and the proprietor seems to run the place more like a pub than an off-licence. The so-called Royal Wedding street party outside that ended in gunshots was the final straw for local people and I am pleased that Supercuts have finally lost their licence."


Businesses that trade legally and responsibly in the area deserve our support as a community. Ones that don't have a deleterious effect on quality of life for people of all backgrounds and damage trade for other businesses, discouraging more legitimate businesses from opening in the area. This was the right decision.

48 comments:

Lady Well Enough said...

Absolutely the right decision - but does anyone think it will actually stop the large groups from forming and the drug dealing that takes place there?

Brockley Nick said...

Probably a bit and increasingly over time.

fidgad said...

Is there anything to stop it staying open but just not selling alcohol?

Anonymous said...

Great decision. But this is one step to stopping the selfishness that exists in some quarters that they can carry on without any regard for others. This is just the beginning. I'm glad Lewisham are finally acting on this after over 10 years.

Anonymous said...

I actually lived on UBR for over 2 years and walked past daily. There would be a lot of people hanging out there but they never gave a second glace other then a nod of recognition, it wasn't a problem at all.
Gunshots at this street party is obviously terrifying, but this was an exception rather than the norm. I never had any luck trying to buy drugs there.

Congregating on the street is a social activity and there's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with it.

This, along with the recent raid on Dukes Night Store threatens to homogenise the culture of an area which I love for its vibrancy and diversity.

Anonymous said...

This is fantastic news. I live nearby. Let's hope the rest of the ASB will decrease from now on. Hats off to Lewisham for making this decision (and to Cllr Johnson for his efforts).

Cuppicake said...

I walk past there twice a day, everyday.
In one year I have found a bag of skunk on the ground, had smoke blown right into the face of my child, had intimidating obscenities shouted at me & my kids by some a-hole because my kid got too close to his nasty, un-leased dog, and walked into a gang fight on the one way street from there to Manor ave.

That's not the kind of vibrancy and diversity I appreciate in this wonderful part of London.

Anonymous said...

Have we received Councillor Duwayne Brooks's thoughts yet?

Anonymous said...

Thankfully now I can hopefully walk into my flat without facing abuse, look out of my window without seeing drug deals, and walk out of my house without standing in a puddle of urine.

Is this cultural diversity...?! (By the way, I am mixed race before someone inevitably accuses me of racism...)

Anonymous said...

Just the usual killjoy nimbys ruining a local business. I hope the locals won't be kowtowed into not socialising in the street, in fact if anything i presume they'll do it more.

Brockley Nick said...

Beyond parody.

Brockley B said...

A big thanks is due to Darren Johnson and also to Dean Walton (previous councillor) for their steadfast support over the years. People have put up with drunkenness, fighting, shouting, swearing and intimidation for too long, hopefully this will bring some semblance of normality back to the area.

Anonymous said...

Another decent, honest trader hounded out by the mung bean brigade. The Tristams and Felixes of this world are making me really dislike Brockley.

Welcome to 2011 said...

If he was a decent honest trader, they wouldn't have been able to take away his licence. And the braindead classism in your post is ridiculous. It wasn't public schoolboys complaining, it was normal people who were having their lives ruined.

Engage with the facts or shh...

Anonymous said...

yes , I live on the parade , am neither a Felix nor a Tristam and am very happy this place is losing it's license. I have become sick of the shootings (there have been 4 that I know of in 5 years), the stabbings ( 2 i can recall), the beatings/bottlings (at least 4) and the general air of menace that exists practically outside my own house. I don't associate supercuts losing its license with any gentrification. I associate it with helping to remove criminals and anti social elements from congregating outside MY house... If these people need to hang out in a shop drinking and then pee on the street and fight and shout and deal drugs , then maybe the owner of this shop might like to buy a shop on his own street and invite his friends to do all that there. Everyone's a winner.

TJ said...

I am very happy for the residents of Lewisham Way and Upper Brockley Road. Nobody should have to put up with the behaviour that was going on here outside their own homes; or have to put up with the stress of trying to raise a family in such a situation.

To those who say it was vibrant and diverse, you are wrong. I went to visit a friend a few times: it was menacing and antisocial

Brockley Nick said...

"Gunshots at this street party is obviously terrifying, but this was an exception rather than the norm."

If all we were talking about was one gunshot in a decade, then I would agree that that is not a reason to lose a licence. But lots of people who live nearby have reported years of problems. No one, not even the shop keeper, denies those problems occurred in that spot.

"I never had any luck trying to buy drugs there."

To my knowledge, drug dealing was not the issue under examination.

"Congregating on the street is a social activity and there's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with it."

Agreed. And no one is being prevented from congregating on the street. That is another straw man.

"This, along with the recent raid on Dukes Night Store threatens to homogenise the culture of an area which I love for its vibrancy and diversity."

If they catch the flasher currently at large in the area, will you also mourn the loss of diversity and the spread of homogeneously trousered genitalia?

Laughing Badger said...

Brockley Nick:

"If they catch the flasher currently at large in the area, will you also mourn the loss of diversity and the spread of homogeneously trousered genitalia?"

Great stuff!

Peter Tooke said...

Very good, very good. Hahahaha!

Anonymous said...

Brockley would not be Brockley without its criminal underclass staking its claim to the streets and exploiting the community through their dubious enterprises.

Diversity does not just mean nice people.

Anonymous said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Lou Baker said...

I don't live nearby and don't know of this place.

But why was the licensee not locked up? The police have a lot to answer for if there is all kind of dodgy activity going on and it's not punished.

I also can't believe the morons on here who glorify bad behaviour and who associate good behaviour with gentrification.

You can be decent and law abiding and poor - and rich and a scumbag. And vice versa. It's all about morals and a sense of decency, not how much money you have.

TheOracle said...

I must also trumpet the efforts of Councillor Darren Johnson and also former ward member Dean Walton, who were not afraid of stepping up to the edge on this and calling for a halt. Well done.

It is absolutely absurd in the extreme to talk about a lawless outdoors culture being allowed to flourish, as if lawlessness itself is negated by a culture's need to gather in a public thoroughfare. This was close to a kids' school dammit. To say nothing of its proximity to Rokeby House which also houses recovering alcoholics and drug abusers. It was also difficult for a lot of young women to negotiate without the stares and comments of the males who gathered there.

I understand that the shop on the corner, which used to be run by 'Sid' (since retired) also plans to apply for a liquor licence. Please don't.

Anonymous said...

Racism, pure and simple.

Anonymous said...

Youre obviously ignorant if you think this was racist. Sure play the racist card if all else fails. Loser.

Anonymous said...

Racism? Yes, lewisham is well known for bands of white residents inventing stories over a number of years and then convincing wishy washy green liberal to daube swasticas in there chests and launch fictitious legal proceedings against black owned bussinesses. People could find themselves in big trouble over that.

The alternative is that the complaints had some foundation and the alcohol licence was revoked.

Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory to back up their world view.

Nylon Cube said...

I lived near here and didn't really have any problems, but my housemates (girls) did face some leering. They just gave as good back and it seemed to work for them.

I agree that people should be allowed to have impromptue parties / gatherings there: there's not enough loitering outside in my book.

Anonymous said...

Cleansing an area of crime and antisocial behaviour benefits EVERYONE - white/black, 'working class' or 'mung brigade', etc. I think there are some (anarchists?) contributing to this blog who'd prefer for people to unconstrained by laws and social norms. I for one prefer a society where people stick within acceptable behavioural boundaries. The majority clearly welcome robust action against premises like this. We and our children are safer as a result.

fidgad said...

Given Lewisham's past record on enforcement (satellite dishes anyone?) will the ban on the sale of alcohol be properly policed?

Anonymous said...

I peeked my head in the door last night and they'd taken all the booze from the fridges... so it looks like they're taking it seriously. on the flip side , the paper shop on the corner looks like it's just started selling booze , and they seem to be open quite late these days.. I assume it's been taken over ?

Anonymous said...

Now that the conclusion is clear, it clearly demonstrates Dwayne Brooks's muddy judgement and perhaps even bias to his background. A clear sign of incompetence.

Anonymous said...

As a black, I'm ashamed of Dwayne too.

Anonymous said...

After years of being disturbed by then noise and anti-social behaviour around the shop and area nearby, I am happy that finally the law saw this business contributed little to the community and created more discomfort for those that live near it.


Yahooo!!!

Anonymous said...

When was Dukes raided? What were they looking for?

Anonymous said...

I believe one of the conservation police spotted a barn egg in there and called in the feds.

Anonymous said...

The owner of Super Cuts was reported as saying there was nothing he could do about events taking place by his store.

Did the owner ever call police to any of the incidents that occured outside his store?

It would seem there's nowhere to go for a large group of people who end up regularly on Lewisham Way in the early hours.

Anonymous said...

Talking of Lewisham Way why has Meze Mangel been allowed to create an eysore on its forecourt for years?

Looking at satellite pictues, why don't they put their wood storeat the rear of the building?

Anonymous said...

The guy who is in Sid's at the moment is family and was doing it up for Sid while he took a holiday in India,and was told he will be returning about Christmas time.

Anonymous said...

an interesting article , with some quotes from supercuts and the honeypot:
http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2011/11/bromley-offy-loses-licence-over-shots-on-doorstep/

TM said...

And a name check for Brockley Central.....;0)

kolp said...

"As a black, I'm ashamed of Dwayne too."

Yes, because people of the same social grouping always agree with each other!

mintness said...

an interesting article , with some quotes from supercuts and the honeypot:
http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2011/11/bromley-offy-loses-licence-over-shots-on-doorstep/


An interesting URL, too!

Anonymous said...

Kolp, I don't agree with what you said. Look at this link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/sep/17/lawrence.ukcrime

Anonymous said...

I think you guys should cut the councillor some slack. I think he might have other bigger things on his mind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/17/stephen-lawrence-best-friend-evidence

and his father just passed away .

Anonymous said...

I lived on the Parade but was forced to move due to anti social behaviour. I once tried mung beans.

I never knew I had so many neighbours who were happy with fighting in the street, drugs being sold on their doorstep, the road being used as a toilet, litter, drive by shootings, incredible noise and anti social behaviour. When I lived there all the neighbours I spoke with hated it. I had no idea being annoyed that someone p*ssing against my front door or shouting abuse at me was my fault for having once tried mung beans.

Anonymous said...

All of us that live there are sick and tired of the antisocial behaviour that occurs on our doorsteps , none of it caused by us! I don't know why the police can't enforce the drinking control zone , and arrest the people openly dealing drugs there. It is so obvious and the people doing it aren't nice people. I have watched them punch each other on scores of occasions over drug/money debts. I know they are drug debts too because these dealers aren't even quiet about it. I have never heard people shouting so loud for such prolonged periods about illegal enterprises . They have no fear of being caught , because they know the police won't even come there until someone gets shot ...

Anonymous said...

you people are just jealous and badmined over the owners shop, people are just gathering and socializing whats wrong with that,this country needs to get with it man.
everything black people have you lot try take it man..get a life and live it..

Anonymous said...

Totally. This thread has made me slightly embarrassed to tell people I use this site.

I got your back, my mandem.

Latest Tweets

Brockley Central Label Cloud

Click one of the labels below to see all posts on that subject. The bigger the label, the more posts there are!