Brockley Station - The Goodish News

Transport for London has today confirmed that Brockley Station will be made "accessible" as part of the DfT’s £370 million Access for All programme.

This means that wheelchair access will be possible for both platforms, although unfortunately, this work is not scheduled until 2012 at the earliest.

Brockley was considered a "priority" for TfL and they also re-confirmed that this work will take place as part of a wider refurbishment programme for the station.

The badish news is coming shortly and is related...

28 comments:

nicola name said...

great, looking forward to it. it's a bit dark down there in the winter...

JPM said...

What's the baddish news? And who do we lobby to have this work completed in time for the Olympics?

Ade said...

i too want to know the baddish news - does anyone know why someone at the Disability Rights Commission isn't suing train stations and tube stations that have no access??

ElijahBailey said...

Because that would be a stupid thing to do. Some of our stations are very old and cannot be converted.

Monkeyboy said...

The Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) does allow some wriggle room for what is 'reasonably practicable'. Like elijahbailey said it would simply bankrupt TfL. I worked on a study for step free access at Oxford circus. We stopped counting at £85m.

To get a bit technical for a moment, one of the big problems is not so much getting the disabled/old/babies in buggies into the station but what to do if there's an emergency. Getting people out is much harder.

Monkeyboy said...

...see this link... DDA

JPM said...

I seem to recall that a large amount was spent in Kilburn following the introduction of lifts.

The question is, surely, how many stations on the extended (southern) branche(es) of the ELL will have disabled access? The Olympics will have to have stations within the London network that are wheelchair friendly by 2012.

Surely the Discriminations Act would demand such a provision alone.

Brockley is a good candidate for improvement re access for the disabled given the easy access to Pllatform 1 for wheelchair users. (We are only talking about Platform Two, TfL! Unless I've missed something.)

Come on Brockley, let's take the dis out of disability and lobby the issue.

Anonymous said...

been saying this for ages - now people want to listen because they think they'll lose their common.

Monkeyboy said...

I think most of the refurbished ELL stations are step free, Brockley was left out - don't know why.

It's a thorny old issue, have a look at the tube map. You have to persuade Tfl/LUL that Brockley is more deserving than the other outlying stations on the network and should be prioritised. Kicking up a stink is useful but you do need some well thought out arguments as well if your going to win over the bean counters.

ade said...

@monkeyboy thanks for the link and the info about oxford circus. However I can't imagine that improving access to platform 1 can be viewed as unreasonably practicable tho...

Anonymous said...

Why can't there be a ground floor access from the west side at least, this is surely very straight forward to achieve?

Monkeyboy said...

You have to look at Brockley alongside the rest of the network - infinite need, finite resources.

For example, we would ALL like a cool tube. It's a nightmare in the summer and dangerous, although TfL would avoid those words. There is a big 'cooling the tube' initiative. It's being looked at and may be scaled back because of other pressures. You could scale it back further and spend the money at Brockley? Both are reasonable uses of money... Luckily I don't have to make the decision.

I'll see if I can dig out the DDA persons name at TfL if anyone wants to lobby. It's not lip service, LUL still retains some public service ideals (honest)but the filthy lucre is always there (that's not a person by the way)

I work for an LUL contractor so I'm keeping my head down!

JPM said...

Monkeyboy

I'd certainly like to take up the baton on that. Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.

Monkeyboy said...

OK...I'll do some sleuthing tomorrow.

If you say I was your source, I'll have to kill you.....

JPM said...

No it'll be down to intrepid, painstaking research on my part.

Monkeyboy said...

I don't want to end up doing a 'David Kelly'!

jpm said...

There's no chance of being found dead on Brockley Common for quite a while yet. (Not at the rate work is likely to go anyway.)However. strangely, I was speaking to Andrew Gilligan over the phone a couple of weeks ago. I can always get him to meet with you instead..? As long as you haven't 'sexed up' the dossier.

Monkeyboy said...

JPM...I really don't have any privaliged info to be honest, it's all down to money available. I'm guessing that the reason why brockley was initially left out off the Step Free stations for the ELL upgrade was because TfL knew that Network Rail had their own budget, although would have to wait a little longer. Actually dosen't sound like an unreasonable position.You may be better trying to lobby Network Rail to bring their funding forward for Brockley rather than TfL trying to find additional money. That would be a sensible suggestion, saying 'Crofoton Park has step free, we don't. That's not fair' isn't really an argument, its a whinge.

What's your email, I'll send you the name of the chap at TfL, he may well refer you to Network Rail. Or perhaps you could convince him to do the leg work?

JPM said...

Hello Monkey

I have only just seen your post. Unless you're fast on this board then posts quickly get buried. I wonder if there is a way to see who has reponded to a post.

I'll have to find a closed way of sending my email as I always end up getting tons of spam. And advice?

JPM said...

That should have read "any advice?"

mg said...

Unless I've missed something really obvious for an embarrassing number of years, Crofton Park doesn't have step-free access either. If it does though please let me know where, I hate lugging my suitcase up the stairs!

Monkeyboy said...

...yep I'm talking out of my arse. Don't know why I said crofton park.

Most of the ELL will be step free when re-opened. see...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/East-London-Web.pdf

Not Monkeyboy said...

JPM...

You may want to try

Chris Upfold (020) 7918 3779 (TfL accessibility dude)

Think you may be barking up the wrong tree though, it's Network Rails money. They need to bring the funding forward.

The ELL line is due to reopen in 2010. If the project scope is to be changed to include Brockley in the step free work then they need to get their skates on. To get site investigations done and designs approved to coincide with the ELL will require some effort. it OUGHT to be cheaper since your only mobilising one design/construction team rather then running two consecutive projects.

Also the NR funding was presumably an estimate - will it actually cover the work?

TfL has more clout for 'London Railway' these days routes so you may strike lucky.

JPM said...

Thanks MonkeyBoy

I'll get stuck in.

Anonymous said...

does this mean the 'general' station upgrade is going ahead or not??

Kate said...

I'll be posting an update on that in a bit, anon.

Anonymous said...

Does the badish news concern the closing of gates as at Forest Hill and Sydenham

See these forum discussions
Access to Forest Hill station

Oyster Cards mean reduced access to Sydenham station

Brockley Nick said...

No it doesn't. Nice try though!

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