Black Pope In Brockley


And, at the end of the date, the other time, she-she said something that was—if she was kidding was very funny. On the other hand, if she wasn’t kidding, she’s not fun, she’s stupid, and kind of a racist.

BC regular Drakefell Debaser has spotted some new art in Brockley, at the western entrance to Brockley Station.

We assume it's a literal imagining of a black pope of the Catholic church, but given that we missed the furry subtext in this one, perhaps it's the Superior General of the Society of Jesus or something to do with the Church of Satan.

Whatever the case, it's better than the "our church can make you rich" billboards that are ever-present in SE4.

73 comments:

The Cat Man said...

how is that art? It looks like grafetti sprayed on to a boarding of some description.

It goes hand in hand with the other politicial messages we've had in the area - such as 'thanks to gordon brown i will never own a house' and the other one that said something about Bojo.

None the less, its an eye sore.

fred vest said...

thought it was a jesuit reference myself when i saw the text, but isn't that brother mouzone in the picture - some nation of islam thing maybe

or just 'hip' kids doing their 'thing'

Brockley Nick said...

You don't like it, Catman? You do surprise me.

Anonymous said...

I lost the 'Church of Satan' reference somewhere, can you clarify?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Mugabe to me. I'm sure it's not.

Brockley Nick said...

The founder of the Church of Satan was also known as the black pope.

Anonymous said...

no, that's the founder of the Superior General of the Society of Jesus

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, the satanic guy was given the name by the newspapers, according to wikipedia.

The Cat Man said...

If you rearrange the letters you get:

Lack Be Pop

secret meaning perhaps?

Headhunter said...

But that doesn't mean anything.

Anonymous said...

yeah, but that's still the Superior General of the Jesuits

Quote:

"Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so-called “Black Pope” [black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to race or color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope."

I'm still missing the reference to the Church of Satan - even on the wikipedia page.

fred vest said...

it's a reference to Anton LaVey

Anonymous said...

oh yeah, right, got that now

with all these black popes around one gets confused

missed you at the 'scout hut' meeting on saturday fred!

fred vest said...

yep i was out cottaging in ladywell fields

Anonymous said...

You can't say the word 'cottaging' anymore. It's racist!

Anonymous said...

get any action?

I walked over the Fields on my way to the Tavern but didn't see anybody lurking with intent

fred vest said...

sorry, i meant to say i was out cribbing

fred vest said...

"get any action?"

not a sausage

Anonymous said...

it's all saveloys these days - they come in tins.

drakefell debaser said...

This stencil is in the perfect place because catman will have to walk past it each time he wishes to use the train or do some shopping in Coulgate St and beyond. It is a shame it is not bigger.

I find it interesting because it uses a term which has different connotations but interprets it quite literally with a picture of a black priest/ father. It could be drawing attention to the fact that the Catholic Church is yet to appoint a black pope.

max said...

I think that there also was a character in some of the Moebius/Jodorowsky comix called the black pope.

Anonymous said...

...are the steps finished yet?

Monkeyboy said...

The fact that it annoys The Cat is worth the price of admission alone.

Monkeyboy said...

....my dad never got over the fact that the church elected a NON ITALIAN POPE! Still they've elected an ex-Hitler youth member so that's OK.

Anonymous said...

I still disagree with the Council of Trent.

fred vest said...

" Still they've elected an ex-Hitler youth member so that's OK."

if you or I had been 14 year olds living in germany at the time we probably would have been members of the hitler youth as well, it was pretty much mandatory at the time, and for all accounts he wasn't exactly a willing member of it, despite the dangers that brought

I always think this issue seems an odd thing to use to have a go at the pope and catholicism giving the vast selection of more tangible and complicit things to choose from where they, as grown adults willingly enter into in the name of their faith - from the covering up of child abuse through to the whole aids/condoms/contraception stuff

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Never mind the Council of Trent I blame The Council of Lewisham for encouraging indiscriminate stencilling......

At least this one is not a bright yellow steaming pile of ordure.

Anonymous said...

The Dissolution of the Monasteries is also an issue of discontent

Monkeyboy said...

Sigh...OK, sorry your holiness.

I apologise to the Pope as well.

fred vest said...
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Monkeyboy said...

Make your mind up!

The Pope said...

careful my child

Monkeyboy said...

AND you said a dirty word. I'm telling....

The Pope said...

Oremus: Deus, qui nobis sub sacramento mirabili, passionis tuae memoriam reliquisti: tribue, quaesumus, ita nos corporis et sanguinis tui sacra mysteria venerari, ut redemptionis tuae fructum in nobis iugiter sentiamus. Qui vivis et regnas in saecula saeculorum.

Anonymous said...

Fred, when you refer to Brother Mouzone do you mean the bespectacled, bow-tied hitman from the Wire? Or is there another one?

fred vest said...

"Make your mind up!"

my mind is perfectly consistent! - i'm only saying why attack the pope (and by extension catholicism) using things that he/they can't really be held accountable for when there's a heap of things (far more worse in terms of the impacts on people's lives) that they can

fred vest said...

"Fred, when you refer to Brother Mouzone do you mean the bespectacled, bow-tied hitman from the Wire?"

yes that's the one

fred vest said...

"Oremus: Deus, qui nobis sub sacramento mirabili, passionis tuae memoriam reliquisti: tribue, quaesumus, ita nos corporis et sanguinis tui sacra mysteria venerari, ut redemptionis tuae fructum in nobis iugiter sentiamus. Qui vivis et regnas in saecula saeculorum."

no need for the tantrum

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Looks like my comment on W P Stone is lost forever....

Brockley Nick said...

@tm I'll give the subject its own thread.

Monkeyboy said...

OK...

i) Sorry to The Pope for implying that he's a closet Nazi 'cos he was in the Hitler Youth, as Fred point's out we both may have joined if we were 14 in Germany and had a yearning for camping and genocide.

ii) But boo to the Pope for actively discouraging proven, cheap methods of HIV transmission.

iii) Boo to the Pope for sheltering abusive priests.

Hope that's clear.

fred vest said...

say three hail nick's and we'll say no more about it monkeyboy

Monkeyboy said...

Hail Nick, Full of grace.....

Tamsin said...

Isn't Latin a wonderfully sonorous language - in saecula saeculorum ...

Playing about being Tudors in the Kentwell recreation which I am indulging in over the bank holiday we are pre-reformation this year and have had to mug up on the Angelus.

Sorry - off topic.... Back to stencils rather than popes - noticed a thing about Vienna recently - wonderfully clean, beautiful architecture, but very heavily graffiti-ed - or it may have been bespoke street art - along the Donau canal and strange stencils on some street corners. Does anyone know more of either phenomenon?

max said...

Yes Latin sounds wonderful, in fact in Catholic Churches for centuries people have engaged in the art of making it up.

Tamsin, if you really want to recreate that Catholic Mass in Latin as it really was then you'll have to be creative.
There is a vast catalog of unbelievable stuff that people used to say at Church, some even very blasphemous.

ignorant brute said...

"Oremus: Deus, qui nobis sub sacramento mirabili, passionis tuae memoriam reliquisti: tribue, quaesumus, ita nos corporis et sanguinis tui sacra mysteria venerari, ut redemptionis tuae fructum in nobis iugiter sentiamus. Qui vivis et regnas in saecula saeculorum."

A translation please, your Holiness.I Can't be arsed to paste it through Babel*

*fails to come up with Biblical-type pun

max said...

Ignorant brute, that's the magic, you don't need to know, you only need to answer back with a short something that sounds right.

fred vest said...

"fails to come up with Biblical-type pun"

you didn't get my one then :(

The Pope said...

peasants:

Let us pray: O God, who in this wonderful Sacrament left us a memorial of Thy Passion: grant, we implore Thee, that we may so venerate the sacred mysteries of Thy Body and Blood, as always to be conscious of the fruit of Thy Redemption. Thou who livest and reignest forever and ever.

Anonymous said...

ii) But boo to the Pope for actively discouraging proven, cheap methods of HIV transmission."

The Catholic church preaches abstinence and like your point it's cheap.

Monkeyboy said...

well yes abstinence and discourages the free issue of condoms. A cheap point perhaps but nothing like as deplorable as using your power and influence to bolster your bronze age myth at the risk of peoples health.

Monkeyboy said...

...and of course my point should have read 'prevention' rather than 'transmission'

Monkeyboy said...

I was reading Nick's link to 'The Church of Satan' apparently there are 11 rules of the Earth. I was rather taken by No.11

"When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they don’t stop, destroy them."

Sound's like a good motto for the Neighbourhood Watch. I feel it's important that such an organisation has some religious philosophy underpinning it.

Anonymous said...

It's just knee jerk religion bashing with you. Bash first, think it through it later.

Tamsin said...

Indeed interesting link to Wikipedia. Some of the rules seen to represent a reasonable and rational way of getting on with people - "Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them" "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself" - but then suddenly, in a single throw-away phrase, leap so far beyond the Pale that you are in the middle of the Atlantic - "If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy" and what Monkeyboy quoted, the single step from asking someone nicely to stop bothering you to "...destroy them."

Monkeyboy said...

OK, I'll see about removing the Pentangle tattoo and take the goat back to the pet shop. Not got a receipt though, may have to go on EBay.

Monkeyboy said...

Not so hasty my child, there are pleasures you can only dream about within my kingdom..... heh heh heh....HAR HAR HAR... *manic laughter*

Archbishop Desmond Sanders said...

Pro is quisnam amicus pullus est sanus , quod is quisnam eats panis est a ignavus probus

Monkeyboy said...

Translated that on line...

"For this quidnam male friend young is sound , and this quidnam eats bread is a lazy upright"

Thanks for the heads up, now I must stop the distractions and carry on decorating.

The Pope said...

Sie brauchen Menschen einen guten Auftakt der R├╝ckseite.

Cardinal Wolsey said...

O denizens of Brockley, do not bow down to worship this false sign. The Vatican is quite clear that only those who live in Ladywell will be chosen by our Lord to eke out their eternal life in Paradise, whilst those who have frequented the Broca Cafe, and the pit of sin that was Moonbow Jakes will be forced to spent infinity in the fiery depths of hell.

drakefell debaser said...

no more brandy for you Cardinal.

God said...

Who's the daddy?

baby jebus said...

Well...mummy mentioned once that she had a bit of an encounter with Joseph by the camel shed so I am not entirely sure anymore....

fred vest said...

your mum's a virgin

Buddha said...

hey, what about us lot then?

Ramana said...

Find the 'us' who wants to know, and all questioning will cease. That is all.

Tat Tvam Asi

drakefell debaser said...

The black pope is no more.

Someone has painted over it with white paint.

Catman?

The Cat Man said...

lol, nope. not me! Its funny you said that, I was trying to find it yesterday - whereabouts was it? I saw a blank rectangular bit on the red brick wall to the footbridge, was that it?

drakefell debaser said...

Yes, just beneath the notice board.

Oh well, perhaps something will replace it.

Monkeyboy said...

Think it may have been something to with this chap ?

Cardinal Wolsey said...

It was I. The Black Pope can/will/should/might reappear in its full majesty, upon an enormous bill board to be placed athwart the vasty gap betwixt the Ladywell Tavern and Oscar's Cafe.

Anonymous said...

Bloody hell Cardinal - does that mean knocking down the fish and chip shop!

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