Community consultation planned for Brockley Cross future

As Brockley Central revealed last month, Lewisham Council is pushing ahead with its plans to redevelop Brockley Cross. Cllr Darren Johnson has now been able to confirm that Lewisham Council will meet with local community groups and traders in January to listen to their priorities for the area.

We've argued plenty of times before Brockley Cross is the Gordian Knot that needs untying to unlock the regenerative potential of the East London Line, to improve the quality of life for people living nearby and to improve safety for road users and pedestrians alike. So we're delighted that the Council has agreed to the meeting, which will be chaired by the Deputy Mayor, Heidi Alexander (who has been exposed to the full horror of the area in the past).

We hope that it will prove to be a real working meeting and that the suggestions and solutions offered will be properly considered by Lewisham. The Council will only have one chance to get it right, so they may as well be ambitious and try to do it properly.

Brockley Central will be at the meeting, so if you have any constructive comments or suggestions that you'd like us to make, please post them here.

27 comments:

Tamsin said...

Question for Darren - does this include meeting with groups in Ladywell and Telegraph Hill who will be affected if the district distributor - B218 (Malpas) to B2142 (Drakefell) - link is cut.

monkeyboy who should be working said...

car club bays, ideal spot.

Anonymous said...

Does this mean Lewisham Council will be making yet another model.

jippy said...

I think a 2 hr midday cpz should be introduced, because people take the p. in Brockley Cross and Coulgate Street regarding parking.

And it should be patrolled by strategically placed cameras rather than parking attendants. Business can apply and PAY for dispensations /parking permits to operate in the area to help fund the scheme.

Paddyom said...

Replace the double roundabout with a single easy to navigate roundabout, or similar.

Remove the railings at Costcutter, Ladywells are now gone and its so much nicer.

Make business/property owners remove redundant signage, anyone ever noticed how much redundant signage there is around here from businesses long gone? If it was all removed the streetscape would improve no end.

Rezone some of the car businesses on Brockley Road to resi or retail to encourage their redevelopment, there are too many of them and they all look awful (apart from Car Klinik who have actually made an effort to look sympathetic to the area).

Replace all plastic signage with traditional wooden signage sympathetic to the area. Its clear who the offenders are but it requires someone with ball$ at the Council to get the ball rolling on this topic.

There is so much to do where do you start...

Tamsin said...

Agree with it all, except replacing the double roundabout. This set up is one that pushes the traffic through the area with maximum efficiency. You don't want more back-up and the neighbouring areas don't want their situation worsened with overflow.

Ed said...

1. Simple, safe and efficient junction for pedestrians and vehicles using minimal street furniture and clutter with proper kerbs and crossings
2. CPZ and enforcement (by camera or otherwise) to stop non-locals using the area as a zone 2 car park
3. Improved environment using trees, lighting, removal of railings etc

jippy said...

Pedestrians in particular get a raw deal from the current set up. Getting across 'the cross' (from Vulcan road way) to get to the station is about as difficult on foot as it is by wheels but more dangerous I recknon

Ed said...

As a TeaFactory resident (I own rather than rent so have a long term interest) I agree that the junction is difficult and dangerous for pedestrians. It can also be very noisy so perhaps a New York style horn ban should be introduced but that would mean warning signs which would add clutter and minor driving offences aren't enforced anyway.

jippy said...

Double maybe triple glazing and ear plugs, is the quickest solution to the noise issue for you.

Ed said...

The double glazing does really well to keep train and road noise out but not so good for sirens and horns... I think using a horn after a certain hour in a residential area is prohibited but tell that to those who keep theirs pressed all the way up Endwell Road after some perceived slight at the magic roundabout.

Tamsin said...

Ain't a magic roundabout - not even faintly occult. Look at the one in Swindon - a central boil surrounded by five pimples. But the principle does work of keeping traffic streams apart that do not have to merge.

Tamsin said...

Ought to learn how to do links. Copy and paste this for a look at Swindon's solution.
http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=115&ss=289
Significantly, they say it is still working after 25 years and despite a steadily increasing volume of traffic.

Ed said...

According to QI it was the magic roundabout's similarity to a teacup ride that earned Swindon twinning with Disneyland...

So off topic, sorry! as I have said before BX redevelopment is the key local issue for me.

I said...

Re Tamsin's side-issue. Could somebody post the html code (the <a href malarkey) to insert links here? I can get it to work in preview, but not when published.

Tamsin said...

@Ed. What a lovely thought! Usually watch QI but must have missed that one - will catch it on the repeats. To continue, briefly, with this side issue. My husband had been driving around London for a good few years on L plates but went back to Swindon to take the test. And he needed to have a couple of lessons down there, firstly to unlearn his nasty London driving habits and secondly to learn how to deal with the then fairly new MR that the driving test people could just not stay away from.

Anonymous said...

don't forget the cyclists! that junction is a nightmare!

Reluctact Programmer said...

Link text

To post a link in html

Jippy said...

Link text


Replace the - url - with the website you want to link to.

Replace - Link text- with the words you want to label the link with

Eg. I want to link to the BBC site so

BBC website text

Happy linking.

Jippy said...

It doesn't work the example code, turns into a link, drat. I defer to a html teacher.

I said...

...and I thought it was just me <.wink>

Brockley Jon said...

Jippy is right, but his/her link didn't show up. Basic link code:

<a href="url">Link text</a>

Then, it's as you say...

Replace the - url - with the website you want to link to.

Replace - Link text- with the words you want to label the link with

Eg. I want to link to the BBC site so

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk">BBC Website</a>

Important - you must use the full URL i.e. http:// otherwise it won't work.

I said...

thanks brockley john. omitting the http prefix was my error

The Avenger said...

@Tamsin. Where do you get the stats from that this double roundabout 'pushes the traffic through the area with maximum efficiency'?

Although I understand concerns about 'neighbouring areas worsened with overflow' we should never subjugate the needs of pedestrians to all of these concerns.

In fact the double roundabout causes more, not less, back up of traffic. I use it often as both a pedestrian and driver. (It must be a nightmare run for cyclists!) It needs a total rethink. Be bold not lame.

The Avenger said...

I've just walked through the area, and can see the difficulties in trying to please all. (Although it's 4 roads converging Google Maps shows a different setup..? Pehaps this is the old map and layout and Tamsin knows the historic difficulties, which I don't.) Surely one small roundabout with a central reservation (for an art installation?) - and pedestrianisation of the whole lot. (Sorry for the bias.)

Tamsin said...

Sorry - delayed reply. No stats, althought they are presumably locked in LBL's coffers somewhere in an unreadable form. It is just common sense. Currently stuff that rat-runs past the Telegraph Hill parks, Centre and schools to come down Vesta and along Shardeloes can turn left into Malpas and so up to the main Lewisham Road without having to merge with stuff coming down Drakefell/Endwell and turning into Brockley Road. The same would be true in the opposite direction.
For cars, two mini roundabouts if there is space for them have to be better than one - hence Swindon's solution - still going good after 30 years - with five.
The problem is that it is - agreed - a nightmare for cyclists (and the first casualty at Swindon was, I believe, a lady who came off her bike because the sleeping policemen - quite a new concept then - on the approaches were too severe).
It will be interesting to see what effect the Kender Triangle works have on the pattern of through traffic. I expect that the usage of the Gellatly/Drakefell/Endwell route will get heavier as that can be accessed from further back - by St Mary's. But it's nose to tail already in the rush-hours.
Improved public transport!

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