Children's shop for Brockley Road?

BC reader Kevin reports that, according to people who have been clearing and renovating the shop on the corner of Cranfield and Brockley Road, the former junk shop is to become a "children's accessory store". This tallies with what other readers have told us, although we can't confirm it at this stage.

Kevin adds: "I would have stopped to get more details but there was an horrendous stench coming from the shop." The fact that this shop is being rescued from a similar fate to La Lanterna is cause for celebration.

110 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ooh, yummy-mummy baby tat! Good stuff. That'll help the property prices. And there's clearly a market for it, too.

Anonymous said...

hurrah! clever move and hopefully will start getting the high street a bit nicer.

Anonymous said...

Oh Jesus Christ please no!! Congratulations Brockley it's the beginning of the end. Very disappointing.

Sue said...

Sounds promising

Anonymous said...

Oh no! I was hoping for a restaurant or bar, there is a lovely space of pavement outside there for chairs. Another non-place to go out :-(

Fattyfattybumbum said...

I always thought a children's shop would do well in SE4. Good luck to them!

Brockley Nick said...

It's not suitable for a restaurant or bar. It doesn't have the right planning permission, it is small, there are no kitchen facilities and it has a large pillar in the middle.

Fattyfattybumbum said...

The old Coral signage further up the road has been taken down, revealing old signage from a previous bookmakers. Love when that happens.

That stretch of Brockley Rd however is looking diabolical.

D said...

Anon 12:31 (and 12:26, but I guess you're probably the same person) - what's disappointing about the prospect of turning a crappy run-down part of London that nobody has ever heard of and where people are afraid to walk the streets at night into somewhere that's nice to live? I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

Given that half the fertile women in Brockley seem to be up the duff, or already well blessed with mewling infants, I cannot see how this enterprise can fail.

Brockley Kiwi said...

All these comments about yummy mummification and and organic mung0whatever are boring. As are all those who whinge about betting shops and cheap breakfast fry-ups.

Craving for a homogenised sterile environment based on some warped perception of west London is short sighted. As is lamenting for the "good old days" by failing to recognise communities change and evolve as move in and out.

The beauty about Brockley is diversity. Having these different elements happily co-exist is somewhat unique in London and why it is such a great place to live.

kolp said...

Good, it will fill a need. If run properly it will do v well.
We just need some more schools

Ben said...

@Brockley Nick

It is not unheard of for shops to get pemission to change their usage or indeed have a fit out...

Anonymous said...

'it has a large pillar in the middle'

and this isn't suitable for a bar...why?

Anonymous said...

Brockley's boring enough as it is.

Anonymous said...

It's perfect for a small bar..dividing walls providing intimate corners...garden out the back...seats out the front..


this is so disappointing.

Brockley Nick said...

@Ben - sure. But since no-one had applied for planning permission, it's not a surprise.

@Anon - the point about the pillar is that it makes it a rather awkward space for a restaurant.

Fattyfattybumbum said...

Whilst you are on the topic Ben/Nick, is Gulens wine bar actually a wine bar as we know it and if so whats it like?

Aoine said...

Sounds good. I wish the new owners all the best.

Anonymous said...

With the junk shop hounded out of town the corduroy brigade have completed the first phase of their plan to turn Brockley into Dullwich II.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, unless the bailiffs wear corduroy, I think you are blaming the wrong people.

@Fatty - yes, never been in, but it is a proper bar, when it opens. I think it's used primarily as a venue for private parties.

Anonymous said...

Nick

It seems the Old Bank in Honor Oak has been let as well. Is it Domino's or someone else?

aunty kate said...

The new Coral/Portland/Homeview premises used to be a baby and toddler shop, with grand Silver Cross prams, cots and high chairs in the windows.

Anonymous said...

Gulens wine bar is private party only - I know this because I went in the (below average) kebab shop next door, and asked.

Jum said...

@ d

'a crappy run-down part of London that nobody has ever heard of and where people are afraid to walk the streets at night'

If that's really your opinion why the hell did you move here? I've lived here for 15 years and have never been afraid to walk the streets at night but then again I'm not completely insane.

Tamsin said...

Swaddlings resurgat.

Unlike Swaddlings not a huge amount of space for a large stock of double mountain buggies. (Which might be a good thing.)

Anonymous said...

Ugh another part of Brockley ruined by children and their owners...

Anonymous said...

It would be nice to have something for young people (without kids) in the area ... lots of stuff for children and pubs full of prams. something funky and young please!

Brockley Nick said...

It's precisely because there is not a lot for people with families around that there are so many buggies in some of your favourite hangouts. Not that this shop will solve that, but the cafe in Hilly Fields should make a big difference in 2012.

Anonymous said...

Fair point ... bring on more things to do in the area! :-)

Anonymous said...

"Gulens wine bar is private party only - I know this because I went in the (below average) kebab shop next door, and asked."

As far as south London kebab shops go its ok, it's not the Ivy.

I go to the chicken shop next door for my occasional guilty pleasure.

terrencetrentderby said...

brockley has been lost to the prams and will never be cool.

had to move to the back of the bus the other day to make room for a pram, rosa parks will be rolling in her grave

Brockley Nick said...

Brockley used to be lorded over by ageing hippies.

Now, it is a three-way battle for cultural hegemony between hippies, hipsters and young families.

The only people who can claim to have been usurped by families are the hippies, but they didn't go out and spend enough money locally in the first place, hence why there were so few local venues until the ELL-induced influx.

Stoke Newington manages to be cool for cats and kids alike. No reason why Brockley can't.

Anonymous said...

I have never eaten a child in my life and I have no intention of starting now - however they may be cooked.

Brockley Nick said...

It depends whether they have been stunned first.

Mb said...

I get the impression Nick is loosing it. Hold it together big man.

Lou Baker said...

Good news. The area's little people need more shops and facilities.

As for the anti-child whingers - you can go and live on the Isle of Dogs or in the City if you want child free zones. But there you'll have to put up with bankers instead.

The other option is to shave off your facial hair, buy proper footwear, and join the decent majority - who love kids. And personal hygiene.

local yokel said...

There have always been lots of children and lots of families in Brockley.

Anonymous said...

The children and the vegetarianism are two of the things that a lot of people hate about Brockley.

Anonymous said...

The kids are all right, they didn't ask to be brought into the world.

The parents are quite another matter.

Brockley has more than its fair share of parents with poor child wrangling skills.

Prince Peter the Pumpkin Eater said...

Can't see how anyone can object to a children's shop in principle.

The junk shop was probably a front for other activities.

Prince Peter the Pumpkin Eater said...

"Gulens wine bar is private party only - I know this because I went in the (below average) kebab shop next door, and asked."

No it's not for private parties, he was lying.

What he meant was: it's mainly for black Brockleyites, there might not be much point you going in.

I've been in once, it's got a dressy, slightly older crowd, small bar with spirits and cocktails.

Anonymous said...

The hippies weren't ageing when they arrived in Brockley. Wait and see, in a few years it'll be lorded over by ageing PR men.

Brockley Nick said...

Indeed!

Anonymous said...

God, this is all we need, another yummy mummy shop, least it will keep them out of the barge.childrens shop. When i moved into brockley some 10 years ago it was a diverse, and yes a bit rough area but it had character. now what have we got... an area taken over by middle class people obsessed by the possible lowering of their house prices and their insistent nattering about we need more " wine bars and restarants darhling"

Mb said...

It's a shop selling clothes for children. For every anon whine abut the middleclass take over theres another anon complaining that it's going to the dogs with all the scumbag addicts being shipped in. Neither is true, get a grip.

Brockley Nick said...

I would love the various anonymisanthropes to draw us a map of what they think Brockley looks like.

"Another" shop for kids?! There is not a single shop focused on selling stuff for kids in Brockley, New Cross, Deptford, Ladywell or Nunhead.

IF this turns out to be a shop for kids stuff it will be in a league of one.

This is like the "there are loads of restaurants in Brockley already" fantasy on steroids.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick... Just kind of curious do you actually come from London i.e born here, or did you move here from another part of the UK to london?

Mb said...

It would be a weird venn diagram of delis, rehab centres, fried chicken shops, artisan stores of varying hues with SE4 at the intersection. It would be drawn with crayons using their feet because the carers are not allowed to give them pens or other sharp objects and are certainly not allowed to loosen the straps at the back.

Danja said...

Nick is an alien, he works for Edelman and they only employ aliens for their mind control powers. At least that is what he is making me type right now, true or not.

drakefell debaser said...

Brockley clearly needs more children to drive out the anonymous haters-of-everything. A perfect niight to start.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, yes I am originally from se London, why do you ask?

gibby said...

Anon 20.55
Get over yourself. I've lived in Brockley nearly 20 years. It is still diverse. There's nothing wrong with wanting more places to eat or drink in locally. There's nothing wrong with a children's shop for that matter either.

Lady in the Well said...

I love Mb's vision of the anons using their feet to draw with crayons.

I notice that both Slater and King and En Gedi in Ladywell have started selling children's clothes and gifts so there is clearly a market for it.

Good luck to the new shop I'm sure it will do really well.

Lady in the Well said...

forgot to say.. a couple of years back I ended up in Gulens Wine Bar. It was pretty empty but they were very welcoming and gave us free deep fried nibbles to have with our drinks.

Anonymous said...

Err why is diverse the sine qua non of an area, necessarily? What is wrong with an area just being - respectable, fun, with good trasport links, with good shops and amenities? What is the magic, supposedly, of this word "diverse" that makes it THE adjective to aim for? Some of the "diversity" of se4is criminal and absolutely horrible errr diversity.

Good news re the ch clothes shop - I will get friends' new babies things there, no doubt, though my own children would probably not thank me for a smocked dress these days.

Danja said...

I like MB's contrast between (that sort of) anon and Venn diagrams. No overlap.

Anonymous said...

I have lived in Brockley many a year and I can tell you the place was choc full of every nasty sort of villain. It had an evil reputation back then.

These days there is a hardly a serious assault or attempted murder from one year to the next. Except last year, that is.

Any new shop is welcome if it brightens up that parade of shops.

Anonymous said...

At least it is not another wine bar/cafe/restuarant.

FrFintonStack said...

@MB "It's a shop selling clothes for children. For every anon whine abut the middleclass take over theres another anon complaining that it's going to the dogs with all the scumbag addicts being shipped in. Neither is true, get a grip."

I get the distinct impression that it's the same anons whining about both.

Mb said...

Yes, that what I was clumsily trying to say. It's just carping about some imaginary problem by unpleasant trolls. It's a shop selling stuff that people mayor may not want to buy. They're not shoving Tomas the tank engine bibs down our throats.

Anonymous said...

"Diverse" is the new "sustainable" - mungs who work in PR love words like these but get out into the country where such bullshit bingo isn't tolerated and you'll find such justifications are given very short shrift.

Brockley Nick said...

The call for diversity in this instance is actually the complete reverse.

This business isn't displacing anything - the previous business was ousted by bailiffs after a short while. It's filling an empty unit with a business that isn't directly relevant to the anon in question and thus they don't want it.

Not wanting something new and different because it's not something you personally relate to is the opposite of diversity.

Anonymous said...

I've just seen that the Oliver Joseph estate agents in crofton park (next to Budgens) is under offer. Anybody know what it is going to become? It is a big space so would be ideal for a bar, restaurant, cafe or the bakery that is looking for space.

D said...

I'm a 30-something professional with a baby on the way - do I need to fear anonymous vigilante attacks for not keeping Brockley 'real' enough?

CPZ - Brockley said...

Shop for kids is welcome. Can we have a CPZ with pay and display so that parking for yummy mummies is insured outside the shop...

Anonymous said...

CPZs are for mungs.

Anonymous said...

The word mung is used by wankers

THNick said...

CPZ-Brockley
A good idea. A set of bays set aside for parent and baby parking spaces would be an idea that I'm sure everyone can support.

y said...

Why should parents and babies have special parking places in Brockley?
It's not a supermarket!

Dang said...

Why should parents and babies have special parking places in Brockley? It's not a supermarket!

Tj said...

Not the tired old CPZ argument - now strangely twisted into a pay and display scheme and some paretns and children parking bays.

Pay and display outside the shops in Brockley would seriously effect their income. The bays that are there now are constantly being used by people popping into the shops.

And parents and children should not have any priorty on street parking - everyone pays the same taxes. Private supermarkets is another matter - the idea is that they need a wider space to load shopping, get buggies in and out easily.

Anonymous said...

Frankly I'm already incensed by the fact that supermarkets have to put 30 spaces aside for everyone who is on the sick due to having a fat arse or an addiction to QVC - we don't need to contribute to that culture.

Prince Peter the Pumpkin Eater said...

"Frankly I'm already incensed by the fact. . ."

I musk demyrrh at your objection.

Tamsin said...

I would hope that the parking for yummy mummies (with or without a CPZ) is insured anyway - anthing else is against the law.

Anonymous said...

sorry this is off-thread, does anyone know what the police cordon and forensic activity in loampit hill is about?

Anonymous said...

Oh no. What a shame...

Anonymous said...

Thought it might be something that could make Brockley a bit more exciting...alas 'twas not to be.

mk said...

How about bicycle parking for mums and kids, rather than car parking spaces?

Crofty said...

Anon, re the Loampit Hill thing, apparently a guy's been killed after a row in a brothel there. Here's link to Evening Standard story about it filed this morning: Man dies in brothel

Anonymous said...

mk said...

"How about bicycle parking for mums and kids, rather than car parking spaces?"

I didn't realise this was to be a vegetarian children's shop?

Anonymous said...

Ignoring the negative comments about children and families in Brockley we should probably celebrate that this is a big plus for local business in Brockley. Given the look of the rest of that parade (and the other end of Brockley road) we should just be grateful that someone is willing to open a nice shop there. More to follow I say. I'd rather have prams than private parties and chicken shops anytime, but im going to have to move out if it becomes like Stoke Newington around here. My hairdo isn't asymmetric enough.

Ed CPZ said...

Did somebody say CPZ?

It's depressing reading the bitter and vicious comments of those who are least prepared for what most view as positive change.

Can we have a BC drinks at Gulens, I am dying to see what it's like but it's not very inviting on your own.

mk said...

mk said...

"How about bicycle parking for mums and kids, rather than car parking spaces?"

I didn't realise this was to be a vegetarian children's shop?

Sorry, I didn't realise transport choices were related to dietary habits. Train use is for meat eaters is it?

DJ said...

Train users?! Vegan commie bastards. Even car users are mainly homosexuals. I ride a stallion. Bare chested.

J said...

'but im going to have to move out if it becomes like Stoke Newington around here. My hairdo isn't asymmetric enough.'

so what's Stoke Newington like then?

Anonymous said...

I don't particularly like children, and I don't think anyone particularly likes them – they're just not very nice – demanding little swine who don't take no for an answer until you've burst a blood vessel. Many of them remain this way into adulthood, as is witnessed whenever Lou comments here.

Anonymous said...

is gulens as scary on the inside as it is on the outside? #worriedaboutgettingshot

Anonymous said...

stoke newington is the vision that brockley nick has in his head for "greater brockley"

D said...

Stoke Newington is a dump. Nick's vision should be Dulwich (not least because it'll piss off the whining anonymii)

Anonymous said...

let's face it, stoke newington is much better than brockley, for kids, young 'uns and adults.

Anonymous said...

CPZ-Brockley
A good idea. A set of bays set aside for parent and baby parking spaces would be an idea that I'm sure everyone can support.



They're not shoving Tomas the tank engine bibs down our throats.


"Frankly I'm already incensed by the fact. . ."
I musk demyrrh at your objection.



I would hope that the parking for yummy mummies (with or without a CPZ) is insured anyway - anthing else is against the law.

Guys, seriously witty stuff here.

Brockley Nick said...

"stoke newington is the vision that brockley nick has in his head for "greater brockley""

My vision for Brockley is basically Brockley, but...

1. Fewer empty or closed shops
2. Less litter and fewer dumped mattresses
3. A bit more nightlife
4. Less illegal parking
5. Better late night service from the ELL
6. Safer road crossings and better pavements
7. A bit more local employment
8. Fewer summer time shootings

That'll do.

Radical stuff, I know.

What's your vision for Brockley?

Anonymous said...

I thought Stoke Newington was full of lesbians.

Prince Peter the Pumpkin Eater said...

"is gulens as scary on the inside as it is on the outside? #worriedaboutgettingshot"

Hey Anonymous, come here.

Closer.

Bit closer.

That's it.

BOO!

Anonymous said...

So in essence then, Brockley Central's core readership who would otherwise be all over Brockley Cross, won't go in Gulen's because they once saw some black people in there.

Actions speaking louder than words as ever then.

Prince Peter the Pumpkin Eater said...

Be better if there was no Anonymous option for the comments.

Anonymous said...

When I lived in Stoke Newington it was full (well, not full, but their presence was obviously well noted) of orthodox jews (the ones with the hats etc) - I doubt if they've moved on, so there must be more there than 'inverse brockley wannabies' in Stoke Newington.

Perhaps, like Brockley, it has a cross section of people that is duplicated across London.

G said...

Anonymous 16:13 - One person says Gulens 'looks scary'.
Hardly the 'core readership' is it? Do one you moronic troll!

Anonymous said...

Turn "Gulen's" into a nice wine bar that people want to (and can) go to!

Takes a Genie said...

Anon 16:45. To whom is that addressed.

Who would you like to do this thing for you.

Brockley Nick said...

People do go to Gulen's. If it's making money and people go there and it's no trouble, leave it alone.

La Lanterna, on the other hand. That place needs a compulsory purchase order.

Paulie said...

Stamford Hill has the largest Hasidic population in Europe so that's why you see some in Stokey.

Stoke Newington is a good example of somewhere that has just about managed to keep itself interesting and vibrant. Like Brockley it was full of hippies in the 60's, and Church St is the centre of the organic cafes and baby clothes industry.

But where it beats Brockley hands down is the large population of Turkish immigrants that have businesses there and so keep the High Street interesting. Brockley doesn't have the density of shops, so unfortunately it's very easy for businesses catering only to specific types of people to dominate.

Anonymous said...

Well Brockley has one Turkish shop - Gulens. Complete with ancillary nightspot.

Last time I went in there at the end of the evening they did that dance where a row of guys link arms at the shoulders and the ones at the ends hold hankies. A celebratory dance to to the strains of the Bouzouki.

Zorba the Anatolian is not unknown in Brockley and the guys like a drink after work like everyone else.

Anonymous said...

Admittedly not my cup of tea by glad Gulens is doing well.

Spoons and Orchard are also busy, I'm sure another bar would do well on the cross.

Childrens shop in boring but hopefully a nice sign will spruce up that tired row of shops.

Anonymous said...

Is it definite or just yet another rumour?

There is also a rumour, by the way, that a Sainsburys Local(e) is opening in Honor Oak.

Robert said...

There used to be quite an established shop that sold prams, and other children's accoutrements in Brockley in the unit that used to be Homeview Video and is now a bookmakers.

So I guess things have now returned to status quo.

Having said that, I also share others desire to see a more varied range of activities that might enliven our evening economy in Brockley - but I don't think this particular unit was ever going to lend itself to this.

Anonymous said...

15 February 2012 17:00 Re: @Brockley Nick said...


La Lanterna is opening before Easter, I walked past last week and the owner was inside with the door open - had a quick chat, they are doing the refit at present I could see the electrocution putting in new lights etc.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes... and then the work stopped.

Anonymous said...

Children shop?Boring.
And I wanted something that everyone could benefit from

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