Brockley Cross - what happens next


Cllr Vicky Foxcroft attended a meeting earlier this week with Council officers to discuss the redevelopment of Brockley Cross junction and has provided this very helpful summary.
As you can see, with initial roadworks completed, it will take considerably longer to deliver the final scheme than originally thought, with work unlikely to be completed until May 2012, but least this gives it a better chance of being done right:
Background
A survey pamphlet was sent out to 1600 people.
76 responses were received.
A copy of responses is available on the council website.
Progress to date
A topographical land survey has been conducted.
A highways design consultant engineer Clive Sawers, conducted a review of the mini roundabouts and proposed alterations, looked into options regarding the placements of mini roundabouts, they also looked at options regarding one roundabout and traffic lights.
It was decided that the safest option was to retain two roundabouts, but to ensure that they were moved a little so that cars were not able to go straight across and ignore them.
Furthermore it was concluded that traffic lights would hold up too much traffic and that transport for London would not agree to them.
Currently
David Moores, landscape architect from project centre is looking at the public realm proposals.
Funding has been secured over the next two years from Transport for London,
£244,000 has been secured over the next two years, and this has to be spent by March 2013.
The aim is that the design should be finalised by September 2011.
The desire is that works begin February 2012, with the aim to be finished by May 2012.
Areas which have been looked at following the consultation
The roundabouts will be raised.
The 20mph speed limit will be enforced.
There will be a ramp into brockley cross junction from Malpas and Geoffrey Road, to slow down the flow of traffic.
There will be a ramp into the zebra crossing on brockley road, to slow down traffic.
They will explore putting a refuge on the brockley road zebra crossing.
The refuge islands will all be enhanced.
Wider pavements are being looked at.
They are conducting a safety audit to see if it is possible to have zebra crossings on Shardeloes road, Malpas and Geoffrey road entrance to Brockley cross junction as well as the one on Brockley road. This would enable pedestrians to get around Brockley cross junction safely. We will receive the details of this within the next two weeks.
The Endwell road entrance to Brockley has previously had safety audits conducted to see if it can have a pedestrian crossing but this has been rejected because of the turns in the roads.

22 comments:

Ed CPZ said...

There is hope yet for the safety of BX pedestrians.

bad news said...

Raised roundabouts, ramps, enforcement signs - it's going to look a lot worse now.

And what does Ed mean about safety - no pedestrains have bene hurt an brockley cross. There is a zebra crossing.

Lou Baker said...

Pedestrian crossing rejected because of bends in the road?

Have they noticed the existing crossing on Endwell that is right next to a bend in the road?

Other than blithering stupidity I wonder what other qualifications you need to be a health and safety cretin?

Anonymous said...

Cant believe all the hoo ha on here about this,and only 76 people responded out of 1600.

Mb said...

Perhaps that just proves that surveys posted through the door are not a great way of collecting opinions rather than showing lack of interest in the subject. Having played dodge the car on a number of occasions I'm certainly interested bit don't recall seeing a survey form?

Unknown said...

Could anyone post some pics of how its looking? am away at the mo.. Cant wait to see. thanks. B

Matt-z said...

@Mb presumably those 1600 were residents of the immediate surrounding roads, and not the thousands of other residents who walk or drive through the area each day.

drakefell debaser said...

Agree with Lou, the rationale for not putting a pedestrian crossing on Endwell Rd is flawed - the road is pretty much dead straight as you approach the round abouts past the Tea Factory. All roads that enter this double round about thing need pedestrian crossings - traffic flow needs to take second place in this respect.

Brockleyman said...

In this time of extreme cutbacks i personally felt that this project was the biggest waste of money id ever seen coming from Lewisham. The whole roundabout system is farcical, and no-one really understands what they are meant to do there. I've lived on Endwell for 20 years and have managed to cross the road adequately when needed to - yes it might take a few minutes but its hardly worth spending thousands on a crossing. The so called leaflet that was sent to residents was a joke. It was not clear what they really wanted people to comment on with so little change. They spoke of a few minor changes here and there, some increased pavements etc..Hardly worth the printing costs for my mind. The project is a white elephant, just as the pavements on Brockley road are now. Sat there for days with no work going on and everyone having to use less pavement that there was before. Please, lets spend what little money there is wisely.

A happy bugger said...

Blah blah, what a joke, blah, health and safety gone mad mad, blah, how many nurses would it pay for, blah blah blah, roads are for cars, blah blah, hard working tax payers, blah blah, biggest waste of money EVER, blah blah, why not get the unemployed doing it rather than sitting around?, blah blah BLAH,!!

Because some thing cannot be perfectly and solve every problem in one go does not mean you shouldnt make some marginal improvement. Are you expecting to turn brockley road into Bath overnight? Wider pavements, good. A ramp to make the crossing more obvious, good.

Aricana said...

I lived on upper brockley road for 10 years and used the current zebra crossing to reach the station every day, and it never felt safe. Cars would speed across the zebra crossing even when you were walking across it. I can't understand why someone would have to die before others would feel the improvements were worthwhile.

Brockley Nick said...

I agree with A Happy Bugger! A Happy Bugger for mayor.

Anonymous said...

We have a happy bugger for a Mayor.

Anonymous said...

Quarter of a million quid on more moronic traffic calming and general aesthetic do-goodery. Yawn.

Anonymous said...

What next for BX?

1) Errr.....Lots of money gets wasted and it remains an interesting roundabout.

2) Nick gets slowly older and more vexed.

Anonymous said...

So if BX pavements are completed in 2012/13, when do we pedestranise Coulgate? 2017? Well by 2020 we may also get some of the shop fronts refurbished.

So by next decade Brockley may start to look ok.

Mb said...

Boy people are supping from the half empty glass today. Almost £250k to invest in the area from TfL, life is shit.

Lou Baker said...

@mb

No, life is good.

But residents want to see what their £250k has bought. And they can't.

That's because it's been frittered away on a pointless half scheme. This is what annoys voters.

BrockleyCross said...

Am confused as to why none of the new pavements or refuges have dropped kerbs anywhere - surely this is not compliant with disability legislation or with logic?

mb said...

"£244,000 has been secured over the next two years, and this has to be spent by March 2013."

It's not been spent yet has it?

I'm a tax payer and voter, I get annoyed. Some people get annoyed in advanced, I suppose it saves thinking time.

Still bemused said...

I posted this a couple of days ago in an older thread about coulgate st going one way, but since old threads don't get read much I thought I'd repost here as it's relevant:

I'm bemused by the fact that they have just remade this section of coulgate street and put new road markings on but NOT made it one way. I have a feeling they were meant to but ballsed it up rather than just changing their mind since there's a meaningless NO ENTRY written on one half of the road, but on the side you wouldn't enter anyway (by the bookies, not by the toad. Anybody know what's going on here? Not got a pic I'm afraid.

Unless someone has a good explanation for this,it really doesn't inspire confidence in any bx plans.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering about that too!

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