New images of Brockley's Crossrail link released






Brockley will be connected with Crossrail via a brand new interchange at Whitechapel, to which we're directly connected by the East London Line.

The new station looks absolutely fantastic and will also improve the interchange with the District Line.

When completed, Crossrail will provide Brockley residents with better routes to destinations like Tottenham Court Road, Paddington and Heathrow. It will also support the long-term growth of Canary Wharf and continue to drag London's economic and cultural gravity eastwards, which is why people like Simon Jenkins hate it - they'd rather spend the money improving existing infrastructure for the parts of London already well-served by public transport, rather than creating new capacity to spread London's growth. Fortunately, they seem to have lost the argument.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

is this working yet???

Anonymous said...

nope still comments about degustation.

Osh said...

People can still see your comments when they click on the article though!

lb said...

Looks great, though I admit to having a vested interest as a close relative is working on designing one of the stations.

I appreciate Simon Jenkins' arguments that the project is likely to be a bit of drain on public finance. However, the strategic benefits of an east-west line have long been recognised (and are certainly greater than those of a link between Hacknety and Chelsea). Moreover, his argument that an improved Central line can absorb any extra east-west use is laughable. I used to use the Central line through the City regularly, and no amount of station upgrades will improve it. It's a nightmare, even when operating pretty much flat-out.

As for the vast cost, I reckon the Olympics are far more likely than Crossrail to be an expensive white elephant.

Incidentally, doesn't Jenkins' article state that the City has generally backed Crossrail as a way of taking the centre of gravity away from Docklands?

Brockley Nick said...

He may say that, but the man is a clown who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Without Crossrail, docklands can't grow any more as there's no capacity to get people in or out. Jubilee Line improvements will help, but extra capacity will be swallowed up very quickly with projects already in the pipeline.

There is also a major development that can't be built until the Crossrail tunnel is built.

Brockley Nick said...

PS - it's expensive, but the private sector and Londoners are footing most of the bill. Much of the national govt's contribution has already been spent...

Monkeyboy said...

Simon Jenkins does come out with some shite it has to be said.

You could plausibly argue that crossrail, while expensive, is more likely to stick to it's budget as it's a new build. One of the issues with the tube upgrades is that your doing this incredibly complex upgrade on a working railway. Or carrying out a heart transplant while the patient is riding a bike as our old boss put it. Plans and costs go to pot almost as soon as you start.

qbf said...

"carrying out a heart transplant while the patient is riding a bike"

Excellent analogy, will have to remember that one!

TJ (orignal) said...

don't suppose anyone knows how long it will take us to get to Heathrow once Crossrail is in place?

Brockley Nick said...

@TJ(O) - it's just under an hour from Brockley to Heathrow:

Brockley to Whitechapel - 16 mins
Whitechapel to Heathrow - 40 mins

Lou Baker said...

Crossrail is fabulous - a much needed and long overdue addition to London's public transport system.

However its relative benefits to Brockley are not far off zero. It certainly won't make much difference to journey times to the West End.

What we really need to be talking about now is the missing link.

Thameslink - which is currently being upgraded - will be a brilliant north/south link. Crossrail will do the same for east/west travel.

There are fairly advanced plans for a north east to south west London route - Crossrail 2 as it's known.

Once again south east London misses out. Let's start talking about Crossrail 3. Brockley to the Kings Road.

Paddyom said...

I think that only 1 station on crossrail is South of the river, in Woolwich or Abbey Wood or somewhere...hardly a massive benefit to us Saff Easterners. I think an extended bakerloo or other extensions of existing lines in our direction (as we are generally viewed as 'cut off'), would be much better.

Brockley Nick said...

Crossrail benefits East London most of all. We benefit from East London's development, because it means we have to travel in to West London less. So long-term, it does benefit us significantly.

On a short-term basis, it does cut down journey times for people in Brockley to the places mentioned in the article a lot, as well as reducing congestion on the Jubilee Line, which is also very nice. And of course, good luck to our cousins in Woolwich and Abbey Wood (although that branch is possibly at risk).

Crossrail 2 is many, many years away and I'd expect the Bakerlook line extension to happen first, after which we will have absolutely nothing to complain about.

Matt-Z said...

1. Simon Jenkins was talking rubbish.
2. These images aren't particularly new, is there a press release out that's used them?
3. Lou, you are obsessed with the West End. Not everyone wants to go there.
4. Thameslink is the project most under threat. There are already noises about cutbacks to the scheme, one being getting rid of ATO in the core section, which would significantly reduce the tph.
5. Lou (again), Crossrail 2, AKA the the Chelsea-Hackney line, is planned to link with the ELL at Dalston Junction, so not totally out of reach.

Lou Baker said...

@matt

I'm not obsessed with the West End at all. It just happens to be the place - along with the City - where most people work. (Not me I should add).

It just makes a mockery of public transport if the trains don't go to the destinations most of the people want to go to.

Crossrail 2 will be even less useful to Brockley than Crossrail 1. Though plans are further advanced for the second line than you suggest, Nick. A route has even been safeguarded.

That said a Bakerloo line extension is a real possibility too - it may be built first and it may come here. We should make sure it does.

Anonymous said...

As the comments section isn't updating I thought I'd mention this here.

Mantle road is currently being dug up by Conway - they're making the road narrower, yes narrower, widening the pavements and moving the zebra crossing to directly in front of the foot bridge. In case anyone is interested.

Anonymous said...

bakerloo line to brockley - zero chance.

quick brown fox said...

Bakerloo to Crofton Park would be more realistic - join it to the main line at Elephant and Castle.

Brockley to the Kings Road?? I used to live near the Kings Road, and can think of no earthly reason ever to go back there.

Deja Vue said...

Lets start a Coop shop.

Monkeyboy said...

Hmmmm..... Who's your special source that indicates that the bakerloo extension is something other than an aspiration? From where I'm sitting lu are struggling to fund the upgrades that have to happen to keep the current system on it's feet? It's not out of the question but really can't see it for some time if ever

And Lou, using rail links to drive development of new areas is established practice. It why London is the shape it is.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Does anyone know why there wasn't an interchange built bteween the ELL/SLL/Overground* and the Central Line where they cross somewhere between Hoxton and Shoreditch HS?

I know money is the obvious answer but surely whilst the builder was on site?

* delete depending on the day of the week

DV said...

I think Dandelion Blue is a catchy name. Much better than Browns of Brockley

Tee hee

Tommo said...

@ Tyrwhitt Michael

Another reason apart from cost was that it would slow the already overloaded Central line down too much.

Apparently it will be possible to make a new Central line station at Shoreditch High Street but only once Crossrail has opened and taken pressure off the Central line.

Not to say that it will happen but it would be possible if finances were in place.

TJ(O) said...

I see the reduced time to get to Heathrow as a great benefit to those who live in Brockely. It will also be an easier journey with one change at Whitechapel. Anyone who travels frequently with work, for example, finds the Underground (at about 1.5 hours) too long and the Heathrow Express (allt he way up at Paddington) impractable. I often end up in a cab. Crossrail will make the journey both quicker and smoother.

Hugh said...

Forgive my slowness, but those pictures aren't of a proposed Brockley station, are they?

Monkeyboy said...

The annexation of east London into Greater Brockley is part of the five year plan. Where's your ambition?

Hugh said...

Monkeyboy my son, have you ever been east of the Mile End Road?

STO said...

As I suspected; Hugh is now helping Catman dumb down Brockley Central.

Please engage brain before commenting.

Thank You

Hugh said...

How have I helped dumb it down?

PS Interesting capitalisation of 'you'. You shone at school, I take it.

Anonymous said...

Mistaking Whitechapel for Brockley is pretty dumb in my book.

Hugh said...

The initial post was unclear and I couldn't be arsed to read it twice. Should I also teach you to suck eggs?

STO said...

Clear enough to me, but then I can read.

Hugh said...

On 16 grand a year, you have time to.

STO said...

That comment is so dumb it doesn't deserve a reply.

Crofton Park is the original Brockley said...

TFL published a proposed Bakerloo extension alignment option and it would interchange under Honor Oak Park, having come from Peckham Rye and continue to Catford where it would go overground from there.

Anonymous said...

Hugh wrote, "I couldn't be arsed to read it twice" -

some lawyer....

) said...

When the ELLX2 aka the New South London Line is built you can get to the Kings Road changing @ Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction and getting off at Imperial Wharf, all on a London Overground Tube Train.

Monkeyboy said...

If you saw the memo put out today by Peter Hendy you'd realize that that the bakerloo line extension is not even close to being looked at.

Anonymous said...

By the time a Bakerloo line extension or Crossrail 2 is finished we'll be asking the nurse to change our nappies. Surely there's more pressing things to discuss...

Anonymous said...

when crossrail works take place do stations have to close

Mb said...

sometimes yes, sometimes no. They are doing Crossrail works at Whitechaple, bond street and tottenham court road as we speak and building a crossrail station at farringdon/barbican.

Julius said...

Bakerloo to Crofton Park would be more realistic - join it to the main line at Elephant and Castle. Brockley to the Kings Road?? I used to live near the Kings Road, and can think of no earthly reason ever to go back there.

Anonymous said...

Coulgate St - The Mungs Road!

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