Brockley Cross parking - the Council response

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Following the stink BC readers have kicked up about illegal parking (particularly of vans) around Brockley Cross, the Council have been moved to issue this statement:

The Council is aware of some concerns locally about parking in Brockley Cross/Coulgate Street. Our parking enforcement attendants visit the area on a regular basis, to ensure that vehicles are not parking in contravention to the parking regulations. If they are not a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) will be issued.

The statement is pretty anodyne but at least it's progress of a sort. We're told that the Council does take the issue seriously - we hope to see some evidence of that and, ultimately, fewer illegally parked vehicles.

48 comments:

whealie said...

Previous debates on this have made clear the vehicles are rarely illegally parked - it's just some NIMBYs don't like rental vans parked in their area.

The parking police can do nothing about that. And I'm not sure the counil has a "middle class sensitivities" police department.

Brockley Nick said...

"Previous debates on this have made clear the vehicles are rarely illegally parked"

No they haven't, quite the opposite. There are mountains of photos of illegal parking.

Anonymous said...

I like the way you used 'Readers' in the Daily Mail sense - "Daily Mail readers made this happen" - when it's infact Brockley Central writers that have the sole chip on their shoulder about this.

Ed CPZ said...

Oh how contrary, well done Whealie! Parking police - such delicious satire.

The statement is just not true as we have illegally parked vehicles all over our pavements on a daily basis.

Brockley Jon said...

One of the problems is there are so many weird bits of road and pavement by Brockley Cross - strange laybys, fat bits of pavement, shops that own land outside them - that it's hard to know what's wrong or right down there!

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, yes of course, BC writers (me) too. But plenty of readers too thanks - who sent loads of photos. Without there input, I wouldn't have contacted the Council. It was actually one reader on Twitter who provoked them to provide this response, not me.

Brockley Ian said...

I think that is great result.

If this is what it takes to have the law applied then so be it. I guess we should the thread alive to monitor if anything is actually done though......

Insider said...

@ whealie
You couldn't be more wrong. I know plenty of people from all walks of life who are fed up with all the ILLEGAL parking. The van issue is a seperate one my view. I think we are talking about parking on double yellows etc. Leave your class bagage at the door next time please

REDLIGHT said...

Whealie give it away with the name.

These vehicles often enter and leave the area outside Tickle Me by crossing the pavement, paid for at the public expense and causing damage to it, into oncoming traffic and pedestrians who had a right to use the pavement being crossed over. No one wants to run a responsible business away from the area but I would contend that if this man has not made provision to park his vehicles in a compound - insurance issues there I'm certain - then this is also trading unlawfully. If not can you imagine a scenario where we allow van hire after van hire business to operate in the area? I write this in the full knowledge that this guy also has a van parked in my street for the past two weeks and it has not yet moved, taking up valuable parking space for those who need it, and creating an advertising hoarding. Tresidential streets are not there for him to ply his trade. Simple.

harry said...

...And I'm not sure the counil has a "middle class sensitivities" police department...

And you are an award winning journalist?

I despair.

Anonymous said...

Well done Nick/Twitter person - frequently cars and vans are parked dangerously so it is not just a question of selfishly inconveniencing others - which would be bad enough - but also a question of safety.

Ed CPZ said...

The more I think about it, this statement must have been published by a disgruntled council employee seeking to irritate tax payers as it seems the issues raised have just been ignored. It's easy to understand why some of the public sector stereotypes remain so popular.

BX: We very rarely see any form of parking control enforcement in Brockley, which badly needs it..
Council: We enforce parking controls in Brockley...

WTF! Just saying something does not make it so.

Pat said...

@ ed CPZ
I have never seen a traffic warden in BX, any confirmed
sightings?

Parking Pataweyo said...

Actually, you can find me walking around BX most afternoons.

Welcome to 2011 said...

Whealie you were happy enough for the Council to charge sports groups for using the parks, but not happy for them to penalise illegally parked cars? Kewl pic of you on a bike by the way.

Ed CPZ said...

I did meet a parking officer (PC term?) once and asked him to ticket the BMW parked next to the barber's shop only to be told that this car was parked on private land. Even if that is indeed the case there is no right of way from the road to this privately held land so an offence has been committed. Furthermore the route taken onto the pavement involves, at least on the occasion I witnessed, reversing over the zebra crossing and zigzags!

Incompetence/ignorance/something more sinister - you decide...

I did however see the BMW (it seems the BMW driver stereotype still has some mileage) that parks outside the teafactory ticketed recently although the driver has started parking on the pavement again now.

My last repeat offender is the Duke, well the manager/owner of Dukes, who parks his Mercedes estate car on the BX roundabout zigzags, two wheels on the pavement, blocking all but single file pedestrian traffic as he unloads his goods.

I think that is probably enough for/from me.

Anonymous said...

Middle class problems.

Dog Whistle said...

"BMW driver stereotype" middle ranking photocopier salesman perhaps? not sure why its expecially important what stereotype he fits. bad or illegal parking is bad or illegal, thats the only relavent point.

Anonymous said...

From this response from the Council,does it mean they really wasn't doing much about it before.

Insider said...

@anon 13.52
My father was a miner all his life and is now wheelchair bound. I tried to take him for a sticky bun an a cup of tea on coulgate street one day and had a nightmare with this sort of behavior, blocking ramps, parking on the pavement etc, at one point had to wheel him down the middle of the road! your pathetic.

Ed COPZ said...

@Dog Whistle, I didn't say it was especially important; please clarify your point if necessary.

@Anon 13:52 - are you using 'middle class' in a pejorative sense?

REDLIGHT said...

It is an anodyne statement, and it is not accurate. I have called the Parking Shop to complain about the blocking of the dropped kerb by these hire vans - and it is only folloing public complaint and insistence that it is EVER investigated.
The council claims that the owner of the vehicles shoots out and moves them as soon as he sees a warden. How can this be? His office is not in sight of Coulgate street - and he could not possibly move them all in time. Either he is being warned or we are being ignored.
I do not accept that Lewisham Council is doing anything to eradicate this public nuisance. This business did start off in Peckham where similar problems emerged - and it was moved to Brockley.

Dog Whistle said...

@Ed-CPZ sorry my knee obviously jerked. What was your point about BMW drivers meeting certain stereo types? It was irrelevent then? as would his choice of hairstyle, food, football team or anyother arbitary clasification. Glad we're agreed that parking is the only issue regardless of car or driver.

Anonymous said...

I dunno, there's nothing quite so familiar as the sight of a BMW badge in your rear mirror on the motorway.

Ed CPZ said...

@Dog Whistle - glad we cleared that up!

sherlock said...

"Our parking enforcement attendants visit the area on a regular basis, to ensure that vehicles are not parking in contravention to the parking regulations. If they are not a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) will be issued."

Well, I'm not an award winning journalist but careful reading of the above tells me that LEGALLY parked vehicles will be ticketed. Very fishy...

Quokka said...

@Sherlock - I read that as a double negative, too. Typical council jargon!

Anonymous said...

Well said whealie. This is an issue fundamentally about aesthetics and certain people's delusion that they'd live in an area that's akin in some way to Marylebone, if it weren't for all those pesky white vans.

Mb said...

It's fundamentally about a local bussiness operating out of inadequate premisis and using the street as its depot, more than occasionally parking dangerously and often blocking dropped curbs designed to help those with mobility issues and prams to get about. In short taking no interest in making a shabby area a little less so. That's all.

muntz said...

NO cpz. Ha ha

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon 2059

"This is an issue fundamentally about aesthetics and certain people's delusion that they'd live in an area that's akin in some way to Marylebone, if it weren't for all those pesky white vans."

First and foremost it's about safety - about not having lots of illegally parked vehicles that create blind spots, prevent primary school kids from walking on the pavement, stick out in to main roads and busy junctions and block dropped kerbs. You'd know that, if you paid attention to what people were saying, instead of trying to points-score.

Secondarily it is indeed about wanting to create a nicer, better looking environment through basic enforcement of existing laws. You've yet to explain why such aspiration is a bad thing.

Ed CPZ said...

It's unfortunate that many see this issue as an opportunity to attack or ridicule those trying to make the area they live in safer and nicer. Objections seem to be in relation to people's motives rather than the substance of what is being suggested i.e. that we should have appropriate parking controls and that they are enforced; is this really so controversial?

DJ said...

Some people seem to think living in a shithole is a badge of honour - like it makes them 'edgy' and 'urban' or something.
All a bit adolescent really - get a nose ring if you're still so desperate to shock your parents.

Anonymous said...

Lets just wait and see if anything happens.Watch this space.

drakefell debaser said...

The whole ‘Stop thinking this is Marylebone’ argument is similar to the one suggested a few months ago that dropping litter is OK as it creates jobs.

There are some real deep thinkers in the Blue Borough.

pat said...

Some people don't think that Brockley is a "shithole". They're just relaxed and don't worry about things like cars parked on the roads.

Anonymous said...

Tut tut, Pat. You missed out the illegal part.

Was that deliberate?

DJ said...

Once again, for those so relaxed they don't seem able to read: The cars legally parked on the roads aren't the problem - it's the ones parked on the pavements, blind corners and double yellows that are the problem.

pat said...

The council have said that they send parking enforcement attendants to deal with vehicles that are in contravention. So illegally parked vehicles are being dealt with. It's your choice whether you believe them or not.

DJ said...

Well, good. I think I'll use my eyes and judge for myself though, rather than just 'believe them'.
Call me a cynic...

Ed CPZ said...

Many of us see car illegally parked everyday including repeat landmark offenders; this simply cannot be true unless you take 'regular' to mean more than once...

Ben said...

Regular, of course, is not the same as frequent. Regular could mean once a decade.

Anonymous said...

@whealie - you seem to have a very middle class bike and hobbie. Your gear must have cost at least £15k. How do you reconcile this with your classist ideals. I bet you live in a subsidised house, and spend the savings in new helmets and leather jackets.

Interesting it is only in Brockley that people talk so much a about classes. I am not sure how many proud factory workers live here. I can see many unemployed in housing accomodations, old professors stuck in the pre-berlin war era, exploited immigrants, students and few wealthy anarchist who want to make a statement. I am not sure these classify as working class.

Take it from someone who comes from a real working class family, where, notwithstadning the long hours of physical work in the chain, the ideals were education, ethics and legality. I do not think it is working class to park on pavements. It is just plainly rude.

As per the response from the Council, it has been long time since I have seen a Council that is run ethically and in the interest of the residents. No surprises there. Kickbacks are known to change the attitude of officers...

dude said...

Well said,anon.

Monkeyboy said...

"Interesting it is only in Brockley that people talk so much a about classes"

...before launching into a rambling debate about the apparent demographic makeup of the borough, the people who read this blog and claiming to be "real working class"...what is that anyway?

Lots of heat, little light.

Park consideratly, leagally and if you run a van hire bussiness then get a yard, enforce parking rules properly. That's all.

bumbags said...

Yup, send the grammar police round to the council (AGAIN!).
Anon, you are totally right- it's not a working vs middle class issue- it's just taking the p*ss and being inconsiderate. The illegal parking at the cross makes this a very dangerous place to walk or cycle (or drive!).
@ whealie This isn't NIMBYism. NIMBYism would be saying 'D&M don't need a proper yard if there are no parking regulations and this is fine with me', and also saying 'but they shouldn't park on my street they can use someone else's'. You have to agree with the first principle to be a NIMBY. Like thinking mental health patients should be living in communities, then objecting to them being on your street.
This is a problem affecting the whole area. People feel D&M do NOT have the correct planning permission in place to run this business in the current location, and their parking is a pain in the backside for everyone.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting that one of Whealie's favourite books is 'To Kill A Mockingbird', but he seems to have failed to appreciate and put into practice its central message of compassion for ones fellow man.

Anonymous said...

Warden ticketed a VW Golf parked on Coulgate Street this morning.

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