Supercuts license review

Cllr Darren Johnson has notified us of a review of the license held by Supercuts on Upper Brockley Road:
Following long running problems with anti-social behaviour in the area, the local police have made an application for a formal review of the license for the Supercuts off-license. The license will be reviewed by the Council’s Licensing Committee. They have the power to revoke or amend a license if they believe the licensing objectives are being undermined.
If you wish to comment on this license you must submit your comments in writing or by email to the council before 23rd June. Comments should be sent to:
Licensing team
Laurence House, 5th Floor Laurence House, 1 Catford Road, Catford SE6 4RU
Tel: 020 8314 6400
Email: licensing@lewisham.gov.uk
Any comments you make must only be in relation to one or more of the Licensing Objectives. These are
- Prevention of Crime and Disorder
- Public Safety
- Prevention of Public Nuisance
- Protection of Children from Harm
Your comments will be seen by the Committee before they make a decision. Please note that if you do submit a comment your name and address will not be made public.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...
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Chris said...

Went in there recently... not knowing quite what sort of "shop" it actually is!

Brockley Nick said...

Sorry Anon, have to delete that comment, but feel free to make it directly to the Council.

Anonymous said...

What happened at the Royal Wedding street party?

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon

http://brockleycentral.blogspot.com/2011/04/honeypot-street-party.html

Anonymous said...

At last.

Anonymous said...

How funny, I was just thinking how it had seemed 5 minutes since the anti-sky dish brigade had found something new to complain about. Good to see that mung-borne e-coli hasn't killed them off.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - have you actually read the notice from the Council?

anon by proxy said...

No, I just wanted to rehash a mung joke and make some sort of inflammatory statement.

I'm gonna go shout at wheelie bins now.

Too da loo

Anonymous said...

wow finally some of the people that have to put up with the anti social behaviour around this shop will have a say about whether it has to continue. I'm not saying this will be the end of it , but surely it will help if the people hanging around outside the shop, causing everyone that lives there grief, don't have a supply of alcohol only metres away

Deptford Dame said...

I look forward to the police applying the same level of scrutiny to licenses held by some of our local betting shops.

Anonymous said...

Some of those people have been complaining for years to no avail.

Tamsin said...

Sorry to be pedantic - but "licences"...

Verb "s" and noun "c" - think "advise" and "advice" and you can never go wrong (except in America - which is where the problem is with US English software).

Lou Baker said...

The police are not interested in anti-social behaviour. It is scandalously far down their radar.

Do the safer neighbourhood teams even work outside office hours? I see them occasionally early on a Tuesday afternoon - when anti social behaviour is not an issue - but never on Friday night, when it is.

At about 3am on Saturday morning there was some wannabe gangsta pratt playing deafeningly loud music from his car by Telegraph Hill Park. You know the sort, white track suit, blacked out windows on a Ford Focus - with big wheels - and tuneless bilge pumping out at full volume.

Prison is not the right place for morons like this. But a return to 1950s policing with a few well placed truncheons on a darkened street corner would do the trick. Instead we're forced to put up with it because the police are never around to tackle these idiots.

And it's these idiots who become the real criminals of tomorrow - because no one has ever stood up to them.

Headhunter said...

This has been a public safety announcement by the Daily Mail.... Although on some level, Lou, you do have a point...

Tommo said...

"And it's these idiots who become the real criminals of tomorrow - because no one has ever stood up to them."

I agree with this, although 1950s policing methods left plenty to be desired. Society was well-ordered and crime low in the 50s primarily due to the Second World War - which had a cohesive effect on British society.

In other European countries, Poland being an example I have experienced, the local police are quick to stamp on small-time anti-social behaviour and more serious crime seems to be lower as a result.

Anonymous said...

And alcohol is the safe, legal drug

Bakerloo said...

Poor old confused Lou. Revealing his stupidity and lack of ethical and moral maturity once more. Stick to trains, you're wrong there as well of course but at least your views are not actually dangerous.

Lou Baker said...

@bakerloo

And how are they dangerous?

The status quo has given us 7 teenagers murdered - not just hurt, not just stabbed, not just shot - but murdered so far this year.

When the perpetrators are caught - which they all will be - they will probably all be teenagers too. Maybe a few will have reached their early 20s - but no more.

When you see a 5 year old - probably now paralysed for
life - when she was shot in a shop in south London, do you think the criminal justice system is working?

Do you think those responsible - who'll turn out to be teenagers too - have been well served by being allowed to get away with it for so long?

The fact is these thugs don't become murderers overnight. It starts with anti-social behaviour, moves on to theft, burglary, maybe mugging and then the violence escalates from there. Tackle it at the very early stages and you all but eliminate the problem.

Leave it - as you suggest - and you end up with dead kids, injured kids, and kids in prison for violence and murder.

Tackle the would be thugs early and forcefully and they won't become thugs. Let them get away with it and they'll carry on pushing and pushing and pushing. Seven dead kids this year and counting. You must be basking at the gloriousness of the failed policies you support.

Bakerloo said...

Suggesting that beating a bloke playing loud music to a pulp is fair or proportionate is at best sill and at worst dangerous. Your tabloid attempt at suggesting that teenage murder is somehow linked to the lack of extrajudicial beatings is brainless.

I doubt anyone credible who's involved in law enforcement from senior police, judges, defence or prosecution lawyers, law schools, probation officers, prison governors would agree with you. Except perhaps in Saudi Arabia, bharain or other centers of human right excellence. Youre living in the wrong country, must drive you mental.


Hope thats clear

Anonymous said...

@Tommo, in Poland there is less crime because most of Polish criminals have left to more profitable locations in Europe.

Lou Baker said...

@bakerloo

It's very clear. You're a pinko. On the side of the terrorists, the murderers, the muggers, the anti-social. A card carrying member of Liberty - more concerned with the rights of criminals than of the general public.

Giving a teenage thug a clip round the ear would sort most of them out there and then. That would keep many of them out of trouble, out of prison.

But that's an anathema to you because you prioritise the rights of the anti-social, of the thugs, of the criminals above those of the rest of us.

And - for your information - there are no credible people left in the police and criminal justice system. The system has failed. If it hadn't our streets would not be stained with the blood of seven teenagers already this year - and counting.

Bakerloo said...

Lou, you really dont do yourself any favours. Does Mrs Lou have to wipe the spittle from the screen after one of your insane rants?

I'm none of those things Lou, I just think that the human rights and the Law should be central. You prefer summary 'justice' Eye for an eye thugary. Like the terrorist hoards of al-queda that you no doubt fears lurking in every halal butchers.

The UK is one of the safest countries on earth, I'm glad I live here. You're angry and need help.

Lou Baker said...

No Bakerloo. You don't think human rights are central at all. You have no respect for the human rights of the masses. You dismiss the majority who aren't anti-social, who aren't thugs, who aren't criminals. You despise the rule of law because you believe those who stick by the law should have fewer rights than those who deliberately break it.

What about our rights to enjoy our lives free from fear, free from intrusion, free from intimidation? That is secondary to you. Providing those who have chosen a life of anti-social behaviour, a life of crime, are okay then you're okay. For you it's better they never have to face up to their behaviour, they never have to answer for their actions, they never have to follow social norms. Because that somehow hasn't repeatedly failed.

We get it Bakerloo. Bugger the law abiding masses and give the criminals free reign. How noble of you.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if it's all down to super cuts but I do hate all those people hanging around, loitering. double parking, playing their music on so loud, with their attack dogs roaming around without a lead, to compensate for having a tiny weener.

And it's a real shame as i;d like to sit in and eat at Cinammon instead of ordering takeaways for a change.

Anonymous said...

It was better in the old days when we only had Teddy boys to worry about.

The job of clipping the ears of cheeky lads was down to the local copper, more serious business was dealt with by the lads from the Yard and their cosy meetings with crime families.

Sure, there were gangsters who used to torture people, but they only hurt their own and there was order in society.

The past seems to glow with innocent appeal until you realise the brutality that was hidden under the surface.

Despite a few teenage hoods trying to waste each other with converted starting pistols serious crime is going down.

Bakerloo said...

Lou, you just don't understand how the law works. That's very clear. Being equal in the eyes of the law is a principle that goes back over a thousand year, if you are arrested you are considered innocent and the state has to prove you are guilty. If you want to see what happens when security forces decide that they are responsible for deciding guilt and the appropriate level of punishment watch that ch4 doc on sri Lanka . It was you who said you wpuld be happy for the police to beat people up in dark alleys, and I don't think you were joking. If you really think that is a good society then it simply illustrates your stupidity and ever so slightly fachistic world view.

hangonasecond! said...

Has anyone else noticed that the two people having a go at each other on here are called Lou Baker and Baker(loo)

do I win a prize?

Anonymous said...

Seeing as police can issue on the spot fines these days, how about a good honest clip round the ear?

Anonymous said...

Yes you get a prize. The next challenge is to find your arse with both hands.

hangonasecond! said...

sounds like a shit prize.

Anonymous said...

So who gets the final say in the licence application ? I notice the review was prompted by a police officer according to the notice in the shop window ..

Anonymous said...

It's believed that the council are going to be lenient due to the shops long record of providing good, honest fare in an area that is so deprived of decent, proper food.

THNick said...

Murder rate in Poland - 2.2 / 100,000
Murder rate in Uk - 1.7 / 100,000

So not much lower serious crime then.

Lou - why do you believe a "good clip round the ear" would stop these people committing future offenses? Hasa study of the use of this been carried out? Are there statistics to back this up? Or is this just based on your "things were a lot better in the good old days when the police weren't afraid to use their truncheons on local ruffians" view of the world?

Anonymous said...

do Supercuts actually sell any "good honest fare"... all a matter of opinion, man. I certainly don't think so!

Honest fare well said...

No you're not getting it anon. That's the 'Good Honest Fare' guy/gal. The use of these words anywhere on this site in any context is a sure fire guarantee of mirth and merriment all round.

Anonymous said...

There's plenty of good honest fare in there! Have you not been inside?

Tom said...

I don't think people like Lou really believe that middle-aged men beating up kids is an effective form of crime control. Instead, the point is that the knowledge this was going on would give them great emotional satisfaction.

Lou - why not set up your own lynch mob?

Now and Then said...

@ Lou, just as a matter of interest, would you envisage that the 'clip around the ear' plea would be an absolute defence to an assault charge by a police offer or are you going for some new legislation. I'm thinking of that pesky human rights act you see.

Tom said...

Now and Then, please don't underestimate Lou's enthusiasm for violence. As he states: "a few well placed truncheons on a darkened street corner would do the trick."

Why the "could" Lou? Why the pinko doubts? Surely men hitting children with sticks ALWAYS works. Or are you on the side of the terrorists now?

Lou's Lynch Mob said...

Somebody call?

Now and Then said...

Where I'm going with this is the interesting impossibility of realising most of Lou's modest proposals without leaving international conventions. This being unlikely he has the luxury of criticism without the least chance he'll ever have to lift a finger.

As to the crowd outside supercuts. I think that we've once more misunderstood the age range involved.

Anonymous said...

Yeah there is no sign of kids causing the trouble outside there ... the average age is about 40!

Supercuts posse said...

Is it?

Anonymous said...

Yep, if not older.

Anonymous said...

yeah maybe 40 was a little on the kind side. more like 50 I guess

Supercuts posse said...

Is it?

Anonymous said...

I love the guessing game ! what's your guess supercuts ?!

Supercuts posse said...

Innit.

Now and Then said...

In fact old enough to have been given a clip round the earhole by some of the 'Life on Mars' constabulary. Never did them any good, did it?

had to do it said...

I thought supercuts was a chain of hairdressers???? Have they branched out then?

Anonymous said...

I'm sure I have seen a Supercuts hairdresser's in the Lewisham Shopping Centre .... not sure if this shop is anything to do with them though

Anonymous said...

I live on Manor Avenue. I read the title of this thread wondering where the hairdressers was and how I'd missed it.

Don't really see how the off-licence on Upper Brockley Road is any worse than any others. If it's closed, the clientele will just go over the road to Tesco, or the two other (can't remember the names) 'grocery' shops and hang about and drink in the same place they did before.

And, just out of interest, what is the dodgy looking place underneath Pizza Hut delivery? Some particularly unsavoury characters hang around there late at night...

Anonymous said...

I think Supercuts will retain their license unless, of course enough people write in to the licensing team.

Anonymous said...

I believe there is a club above the Pizza delivery place.

Anonymous said...

it is much worse than all the others because it is like a bar. People drinking and shouting in there until closing time when they spill out onto the street drinking and shouting until 3 in the morning.Some people have to live on this street you know

Anonymous said...

The owners of Supercuts have shown constant disregard and disrespect for the people who live in the area around the shop. They run an off license (licensed to sell alcohol to be drunk off the premises)like a bar and some how think its perfectly acceptable to play music at bone shaking volume until the early hours. If a pub had this kind of track record in terms of disturbing the neighborhood it would be shut down - I don't see why they should be treated any differently.

Anonymous said...

They should close down that plumbers shop too.it's just as bad. They have barbecue parties out the back every Friday night until late at night and drive the people down there mental. You can here the noise where I live on the other side of the road!

Anonymous said...

Sorry guys, but you'll be really disappointed that Supercuts is going to win again... ha ha

Anonymous said...

it's been going on all day today too .. music thumping out of the supercuts bar/shop and people even bringing their own chairs to sit outside on ... this can't go on for much longer .. the blatant drug taking/dealing and drinking and shouting in what is supposed to be an alcohol control zone

Anonymous said...

it's almost midnight..there is a group of young men standing at the wall on the Parade shouting their heads off..no one gives a toss about this place. The people who are shouting their heads off don't, Lewisham Council doesn't and the Police don't. If it was happening anywhere else it would be stopped in a flash..not here. Shame shame shame ..

Anonymous said...

How about a little more of the famous Brockley tolerance, eh? You should join in, you might enjoy yourself and experience a diversity of lifestyle that you instead shun and prejudice.

keith said...

Take it you don't live near by, oh wise anon of 3 minutes to one?

Brockley Nick said...

Every time this issue gets discussed, someone pipes up to suggest that anyone who has a problem with it should simply chillax and join in.

Whether it's people with young children, the elderly or simply people who have to get up early to go to work, rather than get mashed until the early hours, that's not necessarily a viable option, nor is it reasonable to expect people who live there to have to do that.

I don't live nearby, but if I did, I like to think I would tolerate the occasional street party, but there are bounds of reason, and it seems that the groups who gather there do so more often and indulge in more anti-social behaviour than it is reasonable to expect local residents to have to tolerate.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 00:57 , do you got out to join groups of drunk men arguing at half past midnight to 'experience a diversity of lifestyle'? I imagine you would certainly experience something that would change your lifestyle , and possibly the arrangement of your features! They were there from about 5pm until gone half past midnight getting progressively louder and drunker, even after the other 30 or so people had gone. If you can furnish me with your address , I'll point them towards your house so they can hang out with you and not feel 'shunned'!

Anonymous said...

I have just come across this discussion. Let us be honest. Supercuts is an outdoor venue for all day and all night drinking and puffing. This has a negative effect not only on nearby residents, but also on neighbouring businesses.

I can think of no other reason for posters defence of this establishment, or trivialisation of this problem, other than to posture their own diversity friendly credentials. I rather doubt if these posters would offer any defence if Supercuts was not an Afro-Caribbean establishment, so please, let's have one standard for all, and no more pleading for special priveleges for particular ethnic groups.

Anonymous said...

Is honey pot a decent place for take away?

NAT said...

Shouldn't that appeal have been up by now?

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