Ladywell: CPZ on its way

Following a survey of local residents, Lewisham Council highways department is proposing to create a controlled parking zone (CPZ) around Ladywell Station.

The news has been announced by councillor Sue Luxton. According to Sue's blog there were 620 respondents.

She writes:
'In the area where support for a CPZ was high, 298 questionnaires were returned, which represents a 27% response rate. Out of these 298 respondents, 199 (67%) were in favour and 99 (33%) were against the proposed CPZ.
'Algernon Road, Marsala Road, Malyons Road, Gillian Street and Ellerdale Street were clearly in favour, while Embleton, Ermine, Algiers, Veda, Brookbank and all the siblings off Ladywell Road (Francemary, Arthurdon, Phoebeth) were clearly against. More marginal areas included Vicar's Hill, Chudleigh Road and Adelaide Avenue.
'... With Ladywell Road, the proposals is just to include the section from the station to Adelaide Avenue. Most of those opposed in this area were shopkeepers who are understandably reluctant to pay for the business parking permits.'

According to Sue, the highways department will be writing to local residents to explain the plans, and it must also conduct a statutory consultation.
More information about the detailed survey results is available on Sue's blog via the above link.


Edit: Thanks to BC reader Pete for drawing our attention to this update!

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

I can see why,Brookbank near Ladywell Station ??

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Well done Kate.

Quicker on the draw than Nick...

Which begs the question does he read his own blog??

Anonymous said...

Indeed - is the left hand talking to right at all?

Brockley Kate said...

I am wondering the same thing ...

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

And as if by magic the second version disappears...........

Matt-Z said...

Is this a good thing or not? Will it push those people who've been using Ladywell as a Park and Ride for the station and Lewisham in general to park further afield in Brockley, Crofton Park, Honor Oak etc?

Tressillian James said...

I posted this on Sue's blog
"Wow. 27% response rate out of which about 2/3 agree. That would mean approx 18% have voiced an opinion in favour. And it is going ahead in these areas. Wow."

Seems there was also a petition against that was not taken into account - and yes - before anyone asks - they should be taken inot account if submitted on time.

Brockley Nick said...

Sorry about the duplication. Normally we have an editorial meeting every morning, but today I couldn't get the company jet to start on my way back from covering a UN Summit for Brockley Central, so I missed it.

Brockley Kate said...

It's true, Nick also missed the Roederer champagne delivery :(

It's a hard life being the CEO of a globally successful new media brand such as BC.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Nice to see Brockley Central is Human.

And that they are not too proud tosay sorry.

Brockley Nick said...

@TJ - please let me know if you get an answer to why the petitions were not taken in to account? They have been studiously avoided thus far.

RM NIMBus said...

So, as I said in the other thread...

How many leading questions were used to form this result?

Brockley Nick said...

@RM NIMBus - good retro computing / local politics pun.

M said...

It was actually a pretty even-handed questionnaire I thought. Obviously many people consider £60 a year fair dues for parking outside their house on a weekday.
I rarely have a problem parking so voted no, as did others, and my road is not included in the CPZ.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many gardens will be paved over to become private parking spaces because of this?

One step forward, one step back?

Pete said...

Well legally to park in your garden you need a drop kerb and to get one of those installed costs £700 which is nearly 12 years of CPZ payments. I won't be living in Ladywell in 12 years so it doesn't seem like such a good investment to me.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to know what the council plans to do with the extra $$$?

Anonymous said...

not a happy Ellerdale St. resident here. I returned one of those 99 against.
I hate hate hate parking attendants and always find myself scowling at them and muttering to get a real job.
It will change the feel of our lovely street, and not for the better.

Brockley Nick said...

The series of That Mitchell and Webb Sound that aired on R4 recently featured a regular sketch in which a string of people were interviewed by old ladies who asked them very sweetly to justify the existence of their jobs - PR exec, wedding planner, comedy writer, etc.

The only job that withstood the scrutiny was the traffic warden's.

Brockley Cross dearly needs traffic wardens.

Brockley Kate said...

Let's hope that Lewisham's traffic wardens aren't preoccupied with policing the Ladywell CPZ and neglect Brockley Cross even more.

On a wider note, I think this is a bad sign for the rest of the borough - the council will doubtless be considering trying to set up similar schemes elsewhere if this one proves a goer.

Anonymous said...

Yep - CPZ's are bad news all round and a terrible affront to the simple idea that one can work, buy a car and drive it somewhere.

Anonymous said...

Well If they didn't bring In the CPZ In the first place, traffic wardens wouldn't have to patrol there.

Andy Endwell said...

Dear god they must be out of their collective minds - well they will be after a dose of living in a CPZ. I had the extrfeme misfortune to live in a CPZ in Worthing and it was a nightmare, friends an relatives who dared to show up in a car had the bejayzus fined out of them, there is also the indignity of being charged for the residents permit etc etc. The better not try this one on in Endwell Rd or I will be setting up barricades!

Anonymous said...

A resounding "Brockley says NO to CPZ" then? Result! :-)

Pete said...

There were a lot of people strongly in favour of the proposals. If you live near the station your street is likely to get filled with commuter cars who then go to the station.

This is fine if you're me and only really take the car out on weekends and evenings but if you go out during a weekday you may find there is no where to park when you come home.

Tressillian James said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Tressillian James said...

Tressillian Rd gets blocked up with college students' cars - I sometimes have to park in another street - but rather that than a CPZ. Paying 'extra' to the council for parking in the road - relatives and friends finding it difficult to visit - attendants patrolling and slapping on fines when said relatives get it wrong. And all this becuase 18% (hardly 'alot' of people) of the streets concerned asked for it. I think a lot of people who do not return the consultation papers think that the status quo will be kept - not that they have to actively object to the CPZ.

Anonymous said...

I think TJ has a fair point. Would have thought a "minimum" threshold of respondents had to be reached before the vote can be called satisfied?

tyrwhitt ali said...

I really hope this isn't the beginning of the slippery slope. Even though I moaned last week about not being able to park in front of my flat during the day because of the nursery staff's cars.

Oh and Nick, I love that Mitchell and Webb Sound sketch! Especially when they did it to themselves.

Brockley Kate said...

All local 'referenda' should have a minimum participation level. Otherwise, it's clear that only those who want change to the status quo are likely to vote, therefore skewing the results.

How can anyone think anything is valid with a 28% turnout?!

matrowan said...

It will change character of area and the footpaths will get cluttered up with more stuff. Just about managed the wheelie bin obstacle course, and now we'll have parking meters too. My neighbour spoke to council. Keen on system where you can't park for one hour of the day in area. This stops commuters but doesn't make life changing inconvenience for friends dropping in and deliveries. He was told that they wouldn't make enough money to operate the scheme. Presumably to pay for putting in the street clutter the extra lines and the signs all over the place...and of course the parking attendants. This is probably why they only hang about CPZ areas and don't pick up on the regular bad parking.

love detective said...

"How can anyone think anything is valid with a 28% turnout?!"

not far off the average european parliament election turnout in the UK

Headhunter said...

Anon 29 Oct 15:13 - Officially you have to have planning permission as well as a dropped curb to pave over your front garden in Lewisham Boroough, inside or outside conservation areas. This is to help prevent flooding problems, since people have begun to pave grandens for parking, run off rain into drains/gullies has massively increased as the water cannot soak into the ground as it used to.

Anonymous said...

There has to be a gap between the slabs now, to let the water drain away.

Anonymous said...

If you don't reply to a consultation it means you don't feel strongly either way. If you're outraged at the prospect of a CPZ then you should surely respond. The idea that there are people out there who think 'Oh if I don't respond they'll count it as a vote for the status quo' is absurd - or if it's true, it's frightening. I don't have a view on CPZs either way, but complaining that it's going ahead despite a low response rate is ridiculous. Neither side can morally claim the 'Can't be bothereds' as their own silent majority.

matrowan said...

Do they need planning permission for footpath obstructions? How does the RNIB view these things?

I imagine many thinking that signing a petition will do the job of voicing objection (although I wouldn't personally rely on it) That rat of a councillor who voted twice in the tower block to over look school application didn't consider the petition as large number of people objecting...and equally took the view that if you didn't vote against you were in favour. I don't suppose he'd apply the same rules to his own election as councillor.

Anyway, they had a big plan a few years back to stop rat running through Brockley and close off a stretch of road by the Bowling Green on Hilly Fields Crescent (except bikes and buses). I know lots of people who thought that it was all a done deal, so didn't return their forms. They did consider the petition on this occasion. It was probably signed by lots of people who lived on the roads where there wasn't bad rat running and you don't loose your wing mirrors with alarming frequency. It was a pretty drastic alternative, either shut the roads off or speed bumps, tragically no in between traffic calming.

There will be less parking spaces once they lay out all their white lines.

patrick1971 said...

Heaven forbid that visitors to properties in zone 2/3 central London should be expected to come by public transport. It's an outrage! Cars are a huge problem and the whole of London should be under CPZs.

Anonymous said...

i think i should point out that cpz is not 24hrs. in lewisham park it is up 9am- 7pm mon-fri and not at w/ends so ur visitors can park near u at all other times. AND as a resident u can buy visitors permits for visits that fall in zone time so it not that bad http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/TransportAndStreets/Parking/ParkingPermits/VisitorPermits.htm and they dont cost much - ususally keep some 4 random visits.

What u have to watch is the annual charge. Since 2003 It started at £25 went up to £30 and last year doubled to £60 with no notice (or reasonable explanation). They also reduce parking by putting in white lines. Had a major impact on 2 car families on our street and many reduced to one (no terrible thing in my opinion)

We said NO twice and they sent out a third survey which had a low return adn a yes and it was enforced b4 we could blink. The streets nearby buckled under the strain of extra parking and voted yes the next time round.

Its big income for the borough but i have no idea what the money is spent on. This is gonna happen people pros cons the lot

Headhunter said...

Yeah the price of parking in CPZs seems to be a recurring theme. They usually seem to come in at a relatively harmless 20 odd quid per year but very quickly, within a year or 2, double or more without explanation.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to get an idea from the council where the money goes? What increases have happened in the past with an explanation? I guess what I am asking is the council to be transparent.

maxink said...

I agree, what was supposed to be a service has become a cash cow for the Council.
I wrote about it on my blog over a year ago:
http://maxink.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/council-profiteering/

Anonymous said...

Made a major Impact on 2 car families

Who needs 2 cars ? oh yes hubby to go to work and wifey, with the 4x4 to take the kiddies to school.

Anonymous said...

"Is it possible to get an idea from the council where the money goes?"

Have you considered trying to find out, say by getting in touch to ask them, or do you just post comments on blogs and expect council staff to come running to you with the information you want?

A quick internet search would tell you that, by law, "income from onstreet car parking must be spent on improving parking or highway and public transport improvements".

Anonymous said...

"income from onstreet car parking must be spent on improving parking or highway and public transport improvements"."


Of course I have checked the Lewisham site, infact it admits to making money from the scheme.

"Does Lewisham set up Controlled Parking Zones (CPZs) simply to make money?
Whilst Lewisham does make money from parking, and we would never seek to deny that, this is not the primary aim of parking controls."
http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/TransportAndStreets/Parking/ParkingZones/ControlledParkingZonesFAQ.htm

and not I'm not expecting Lewisham council to run to me, was just asking my neigbourhood for any good views.

Headhunter said...

Interesting, so they actually admit to making money from CPZ! So it's true that people parking in CPZ areas are effectively paying more council tax for the upkeep of roads in the borough

bastados said...

As a lewisham council tax payer nothing was sent to me personally aking whether or not i want a cpz in my road. Surely a survey sent to "the occupier" is hardly representive. I would have thought that a 27% response rate indicates that most peeps are clearly not enthusiastic about what is being proposed (assuming that they actually got to see the survey and it wasnt chucked out unopened with all the other junk mail) I would vote no as they can charge what they like once its in place. It has already doubled in other lewisham areas from £30 in 2003 to £60 in 2009.

Please support BC by clicking here when you shop with Amazon

Brockley Central Label Cloud