Location, Location, Location

Approximately a decade after its first visit, Location, Location, Location returned to Brockley last night, during an episode devoted to house hunting in South East London, which, as the presenters helpfully explained, is the area between the city and the Kent countryside.

It was interesting to compare and contrast the two shows.  Whereas the first visit portrayed Brockley as a sleepy, speakeasy bolthole that came as a complete surprise to the prospective buyer, last night's show featured a couple of "cool" and "stylish" designers living in Brockley whose list of criteria for their next purchase included remaining in the "Brockley area" loved the community and were freaked out by a house in relatively suburban Hither Green, which lacked the city-centre buzz they were used to.

Ultimately, they bought a large property in Camberwell, where they will try to recreate the Brockley magic, having been disappointed by a property in Crofton Park, but not before they were shown standing looking longingly through the window of an estate agent with El's Kitchen in the background several times. Farewell, Nadine and Toby, you have served Brockley admirably.

43 comments:

fong said...

I really didn't understand how they couldn't find a property in Brockley for their budget for £350K. All they wanted was a 2-bed fixer-upper too. Did they really need to see Hither Green?

Anonymous said...

They can have my 2-bed for £350k and welcome!
'Nadine & Toby' ? Ouch. Did he wear deck shoes?

Brockley Nick said...

Oh do shh, two perfectly ordinary names. What's your name?

patrick1971 said...

That was my street! My street! Although the property they showed them was at the less nice end.

I'm sure all of us in Manwood Road will feel humbled that Kirstie's kitten heels have trodden our pavements.

Anonymous said...

As someone who vaguely knew them from university (Goldsmiths)), I found myself shouting at the TV quite a lot about where the hell they got a budget of £350k from. Being cynical my assumption was mummy and daddy, but of course I may be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Something like 2/3 of first-time buyers today have parental help. Problem, sourpuss?

mintness said...

Turns out you can have a nuclear recession but the producers of televised property porn will keep clinging on, cockroach-like.

Anonymous said...

Actually it's the third time Phil and Kirsty have graced us - about 8 years ago they filmed - in my house! It was, again, two creative types - two girls looking to buy a flat together in the conservation area and Phil actually stood outside my house in Manor Avenue and said, "this is where all the cool people live" haha and then a plane flew loudly overhead. I remember it well. They then went on to view the flat upstairs from mine and Phil immediately discounted it for its shoddy soundproofing and inferior room arrangement! They ended up buying in Forest Hill.

D said...

@patrick1971 - as a fellow Manwoodian I'm glad I recorded it now. Will check that out tonight!

mb said...

The visited Anerly as well. Then quickly left.

Clare said...

Nothing wrong with Hither Green, hardly suburban.

Clare said...

Although actually if they had that much to spend they could have had a large house round here, so if they only wanted a flat they were in the wrong place. Even if it is only 11 mins into London Bridge when Sourheastern can be bothered to run a service.

Brockley Nick said...

Clare you now have your own thread above to make your case ;)

patrick1971 said...

@D 1031 - you see Manwood Road at about 35 minutes in. It's the bit around the corner from Bexhill Road towards Catford. There are also some linking shots of Kirstie walking around Manwood Road earlier on - could be Salehurst or Glynde though, you can't really see. You can tell when it's "us" by the arches with two doors, which I think is unique to our few streets; I've never seen it anywhere else in London.

Anonymous said...

Isn't Manwood Rd more Catford than Brockley? Crofton Pk at best? There's a Toby runs Brockley Mkt, how many Tobys make a Brockley?

Clare said...

Thanks Nick :)

Anonymous said...

Manwood Rd is definitely Catford ... Brockley is really from Crofton Park northwards ...

Tressilliana said...

Manwood Road runs from Crofton Park to Catford.

There are maisonettes at the St Margaret's Road end of Tressillian Road with two doors and one arch.

D said...

The post office think we're in Brockley, so that means we're in Brockley. (That logic worked in Miracle on 34th St anyway)

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised a young couple can afford a budget of £350K. And what was so bad about the Hither Green house? They seem a bit pretentious to me.

Welcome to 2011 said...

I'm surprised you find it surprising. Who do you think buys all these houses that go on the market for £350K+?

They were 30 and already owned a flat which they had sold, after doing it up.

malyons said...

Only the other week Phil Spencer was in Ladywell filming channel 4's Empy Homes Giveaway outside El's kitchen with the Ladywell village improvement group. Now, he's bigging up south east london in location location all good for the area. Shame the couple didnt see anything in the window of Seb Roche in Ladywell which took their fancy so as to spread the word about Ladywell somemore!

Kelly said...

Does anyone know where the house in camberwell is?

Lou Baker said...

Brockley is so urban and trendy that all you lot forsake bars with ambient tunes and spend your Thursday evening watching Channel 4 instead. Hip.

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terrencetrentderby said...

i take my last deleted comment back and apologise, catford doesn't reek of excrement and is a lovely up and coming place to live

st doughnut said...

@D 15.03
are you referring to your postcode? I only recently discovered that how the post office organise their post codes is more to do with the location of your sorting office than anything else.

Dylanarman said...

They were apparent continuing searching longingly through the window of an acreage abettor with El's Kitchen in the accomplishments several times.

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Anonymous said...

How come the property in Brockley was a 'nice shape' and a similar property in Hither Green wasn't?

Is Urban & Suburban now defined by travel Zones?

1 = The City
2 = Urban
3 = Suburban
4 = Green Belt
5 = Rural
6 = Coastal

quiet life said...

I was a bit put off Nadine and Toby by their almost physical revulsion to the HG property, which was a bit OTT - it looked absolutely fine from outside, and not dissimilar to the Brockley property. Mind you, the railway running practically through the garden would have made it a non-starter for me.

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Nadine said...

We like Hither Green, Ladywell and Crofton Park - that's why we looked at houses in those areas. We wanted to stay in Brockley (where we have lived for over 10 years and owned a flat for 4) but we wanted a lot of internal space and a decent size garden (after living in a 1 bed flat) and our budget could not get us what we wanted in SE4 sadly.

The houses we saw in Crofton Park and HG were substantially smaller than the Camberwell house (2 floors as opposed to 4). We were sad to leave Brockley but we chose space over location whilst staying in zone 2. Whilst I don't define suburban as zone 3, in comparison to the Camberwell street (which we saw first) it was more suburban - as someone previously said - it is all relative. Suburban does not = bad, it's just not what we wanted at the time.

We made profit from our flat which gave us the deposit to buy our house and we have a big mortgage. Not every young person has to have been given money by family if they manage to buy a house - not that there is anything wrong with that but it is a very cynical view. Remarkably, the difference between our mortgage repayments for the one bed flat in SE4 compared with our 4 bed in SE5 is small.

Hope that answers some of your questions. Thanks to those of you who have been supportive.

Anonymous said...

Good for you Nadine, I hope everything goes well in Camberwell for you.

Mb said...

What we really want to know is have you found anything weird hidden in the former Masonic lodge? Polaroids of Gideon Osborne and a farmyard animal? Human remains? mysterious alien technology?

NewlyCroftonParker said...

Funny - I must have been buying at the same time because I also viewed this house! Interested to know how you made a profit on your flat, Nadine...having again similarly been in our one-bed for four years in the area, we made a slight loss...
Hope you are enjoying Camberwell...four floors must be nice!

Manor Club buyer said...

Those shots of the place in Camberwell were uncannily like the inside of 60 Manor Avenue when we first looked around it (but without the squatters). There is that certain institutional look: A4 notices on walls, gloss painted woodchip, fire doors, grotty kitchen units. We also wanted somewhere flat fronted!

I wish Nadine and Toby well in their new moneypit. It will be worth it in the end - that's what we keep telling ourselves anyway.

I thought the show put Brockley in a good light and the most telling thing was the absence of any "best kept secret" or "hidden gem" references, which shows how the area has risen in the public consciousness.

NewlyCroftonParker said...

I'm confused about the flat-fronted thing...why??

Anonymous said...

Some people just like the flat fronted style - it's usually seen on the earlier Victorian and Georgian houses in the area.

Anonymous said...

And they've no bay windows to gradually fall away from the rest of the house.

mondxx said...

Hello Nadine!

I really enjoyed watching you and Toby on the show! I too am based in Camberwell. I wanted to know about Sean, your property consultant? I would really like to have a chat with him about property, can you ask to email me at ivxweb@gmail.com? Or can you send his company info to me?
Many thanks and kind regards,

Peter

Anonymous said...

My boyfriend and I bought the house in Crofton Park having moved to the area from SW London and, although gutting it and starting from scratch has been hard work, we love the area and we're so happy to be in an area with such a great feel to it!
Brockley Central has been such an amazing tool for us finding tradesmen etc and I can assure you we have needed them!!!

Louisa said...

We left SE London completely and moved to NE London ( Clayhall ) Very Green and a nice clean suburb.
Still reasonably priced large properties.

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