Serious incident outside Brockley Station

Police attend the scene. Photo courtesy of Karen.
The air ambulance landed in the football cage in St Norbert Road. Photo courtesy of Alison.
The western exit to Brockley Station, parts of Coulgate Street and Mantle Road have been closed by police this evening, following a serious incident outside John Stainer Primary School. Emergency services are at the scene and an air ambulance landed at St Norbert Road to provide assistance.

Multiple BCers report that the incident was a stabbing. One BCer, Lucia, reports that the stabbing took place on the east side of the station and collapsed on Mantle Road. We will update the article as the facts emerge.

51 comments:

terrencetrentderby said...

Welcome to the projects. And people moan about gentrification...

Rose Bud said...

hope no fatalities

Foxberry Flo said...

My husband saw the victim. He was lying on the pavement covered in blood next to a brand new Audi TT with a personalised number plate. Doesn't take a genius.

anon said...

I missed it by minutes, although was surprised at a large gathering of young males
on Brockley station concourse when I came out.

J said...

Looks like there still isn't one judging by this presumptuous comment.

Budge foxwell street se4 said...

Police are still on site so I'm guessing its not good news

Wild Bill Howlett said...

I can't get out of this awful area fast enough. Only a couple months to go now. Used to feel safe here but over the last few years it has gone to the dogs.

Wild Bill Howlett said...

the victim was fleeing from coulgate street, so the car he collapsed next to is irrelevant. However if it makes you feel safer to kid yourself that only gangsters are victims of violent crime in this area then by all means, continue your snide insinuations

cazzy said...

what a stupid comment to make. You must be a genius "NOT" to come out with such a judgemental comment. My car was on the same road, so what does that mean then, about me?

Westsider said...

There should be a new rule: anyone who bangs on about leaving the area has to say where they're going, so we can slag it off.


The area's no dodgier than it used to be. A lot better in many ways. But yeah, there are some gangs. We all know this.

Mins said...

What time was this?...so I take it the victim was attacked over by brockley road and made his way Over the station bridge and collapsed by the school...was anyone arrested or caught?

Hanna said...

@westsider;
After being born and brought up in Brockley I can honestly say it HAS gone to pot! My entire family lived in Brockley. It used to be a community- not anymore. I moved away 6 years ago aged 35, meaning I know the area very well. I still go back to visit friends regularly, but can't wait to leave the dump.

Anonymous said...

imo Brockley was much worse in the nineties/early 00's... Crack town.


I agree with you about not being a 'community' like it used to be though

Brockley Nick said...

Firstly, the debate was about "safety" rather than more general issues like "community". Secondly, if you moved away 6 years ago, you don't really know what you're talking about - you're comparing your nostalgic views with your half-formed opinions based on superficial knowledge and - by the sounds of it - prejudices about newcomers. It's not like it was in your day, etc.


Frankly, anyone happy to insult people's homes by declaring it a "dump" is not my idea of a "community"-minded person.

Sandra said...

I saw the victim and the car with the personalised number plate. As I spoke to that gentlemen he stopped to try and help the situation. 2+2 doesn't add up to 37. Stop being stereotyping, being ignorant and small minded.

I hope that young man recovers.

What time? said...

Sounds like the incident took place on Coulgate Street, rather than outside John Stainer School, and the guy then ran and collapsed outside the school. Minor details but could help potential witnesses if they think they've seen something. What time was this?

tgsignup said...

We moved to Brockley 2 years ago and have found it to be a great Community with a mix of people, ranging from students, single households, couples to families. We have met all our neighbours and love the area! There are lots of good things, including the Brockley station gardens and the Telegraph Hill Centre and Bold Vision cafe . I agree, there could and should be more quality shops but there already is a good selection, Maggi gift store, kids' store a few houses down, the French deli, Browns and the Brocca!

keepItReal said...

Comes with the territory of 'inner-city' living, you're kidding yourself if you think that a french deli and a couple of gastro-pubs are going to drive crime away....open your eyes people, the sooner you come to accept the fact that crime will always have a home in Brockley, the easier it will be to get on with your lives (and reinforce your doors and windows). On a side note, having lived in both East and West Brockley and been a victim of crime on both, I can safely say you're no safer on either side!

Monkeyboy said...

Personal anecdotes and the increasing availability of real time news and hype from twitter is a poor way to form an overall picture of an area. Luckily grownups don't.

sky said...

I hope the victim recovers - a very sad incident. But reading some of these commments you'd think Brockley was the ONLY part of London with a crime problem.

I feel pretty safe here. I know there are muggings, flashers and burglars, but I take reasonable precautions and don't think the risks are greater here than in other parts of London. The chances of being stabbed or shot by a complete stranger in Brockley are low.

Headhunter said...

I find Brockley fairly community minded but I think the community has changed. For better or worse there are a lot more young, single people around with a bit of money to spend, also families priced out of areas further west but not completely broke etc. I can see that shift even since I moved here in 2006. If you've lived in Brockley since the 90s through no fault of your own, you may have not kept up with these new populations

Anonymous said...

I moved to Brockley about a year ago. Yesterday's incident is quite shocking, but I'm mostly shocked because violence really isn't common round here! I don't know what the "gone to the dogs" commenters are on.....

Mickey Mouse said...

Gosh I am surprised by the Brockley bashers on here. You live in London people, its a big big city and bad things occasionally happen in big cities. Unfortunately you should really expect a street to be cordoned off every once in a while because of crime, it happens in every town up and down the country. And given that SE4 is located in the 'poorer' quadrant of London it would follow that crime is even more frequent here than in other areas.

I am 8 years in Brockers and I think its great and has really improved in that time. It seems to be getting better every year with improved transport, better retail and more social outlets etc... I never feel unsafe here (though I am careful) and think there is a VERY strong community atmosphere here. People seem to really care about the area, evidenced by the number of parties posting on this thread. There are not many areas of a large city that can boast such community gems like the Brockley Max Festival, the Hilly Fields Midsummer Fayre, Telegraph Hill festivals, the friendly vibe at Brockley Market, friendly bars and cafes etc...

If people who live here really don't like Brockley, why would you live here? Move on and leave it to us that love it!

Anon said...

Carry on in your little middle class bubble... Tourist

Anon said...

Crime stats? You've lost me. You'll never understand this area properly because you didn't grow up here. Yet you've got the nerve to tell someone who did that they're talking rubbish.

cuppicake said...

one year ago almost to the day a teenager was stabbed almost in the exact same place. Google brockley stabbing and you'll see there's quite a lot of violence around here actually.

Mickey Mouse said...

Best to ignore internet trolls such as Anon with nothing of substance to say apart from the usual class-war jealousy thing

cuppicake said...

sorry, I meant two years ago - but trust me there's been a lot more in between.

Ben Brown said...

Really? It was quite rough when I used to go to school from Brockley station in the 80s and 90s, thanks to that brave nurse who helped clear up the area, people growing up and changing and local government improvements Brockley is completely different now. Go and live in Sevenoaks.

Paul said...

Class war jealousy thing? Wow. And you wonder why posters like 'anon' have a problem with certain newcomers to the area.

Anonymous said...

Someone was murdered in upper brockley rd just last week. There's always been a lot of violent incidents in the area, it's a lot better now than it was in years past though

Rose Bud said...

This from the Newsshopper:

'A 23-YEAR-OLD man was stabbed last last night near Brockley station.

Police say they were called to Mantle Road at 6.08pm to reports of a stabbing.

Roads around the station were cordoned off by police as they carried out their inquiries.

One ambulance crew, a single responder in a car and the air ambulance were dispatched to the scene where they treated the man.

The victim, whose injuries are said to not be life-threatening, was then taken by ambulance to hospital.

There have been no arrests so far.'


Thankfully no-one dead.

Adam said...

That makes no sense. So you're saying someone who DOESN'T live in the area has greater insight in current events of the area than some who CURRENTLY lives in the area?? Just because they lived there many years ago?

Lep Recorn said...

Ben "that brave nurse who helped clear up the area". I used to send my children to school via Brockley Station in the 80s & 90s but I am not aware of that story. And that was the era when getting off the train you had to push through a crowd of drug pushers who came out of the Brakespears to meet the crowd, coupled with a much higher (perceived?) chance of a mugging on the walk home than now.


DISCLAIMER not a Brockley native, only moved here in the early 70s and lived here continually since, so probably don't have a full historical perspective.

Anon said...

Someone who grew up in this area until age 35 understands this place in a way monied newcomers never can. Capiche?

Monkeyboy said...

Sorry, are you the "old timer" who thinks things have gone to shit now or was worse then? Whichever, you clearly hate what you view as outsiders. Nice attitude.

(10 years here so clearly a monied interloper)

ummm said...

That implies that places stay the same. By people and businesses changing a place changes ... it's dynamic!

Brockley Nick said...

Let us pause for a second and reflect on what a ridiculous argument this is.


Anon (who most certainly has a chip on his shoulder, as he is the same person who told people who he regards as posh to sod off back to East Dulwich if they were upset with their property being graffiti-ed) is angry that some people (who he thinks are too posh and too new for his liking) are not sufficiently negative about the area in which they live. He's angry that people might like living here and thinks only people that have lived here all their life have any kind of valid opinion).


This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard - this is London, not some tiny hamlet. Populations change all the time. And people SHOULD be upbeat about Brockley. It's great.


If you want to wallow in your own misery, go ahead, but don't begrudge those of us who enjoy life.


And keep some perspective - a man has been stabbed and all you can argue about is the accents of the people who live here.


PS - I grew up 1 mile down the road - even in the most backward, inbred village that would be considered local.

charlotte said...

you are one of these annoying people...brockley stinks, unless you are below or above the average. Stinks and anyone who says differently is lying to himself.

the honest one said...

are you serious??? what about frequent gun shooting in St. Norbert's Rd, machete incident in Upper Brockley? burglaries in Breakspreas Road (the 3rd largest in the country) and now stabbing? crazy to say what you said.

Brockley Nick said...

"you are one of these annoying people..."
Happy people, they're the worst, aren't they?!


"brockley stinks, unless you are below or above the average."
That's OK then - that's just about everyone.


"Stinks and anyone who says differently is lying to himself."

Sorry you're unhappy. Hopefully you'll find somewhere that makes you happier. Unless the problem isn't the place you live in.

hellocheeky said...

I seem to remember that recent crime statistics show that Brockley is one of the safest parts of Lewisham and that crime has fallen. Does anybody have a link to them ?

Some drunk guy said...

I guess the question is, was this crime a random attack or a gang crime with some history between the gang and the victim. If there is no connection then we should be worried about where we live. If not, lets just hope the idiots keep it to themselves.

greyman said...

To be slightly pedantic, the Breakspears shut down around 1998, and the wetherspoons opened a year or two later.

greyman said...

Sorry - didn't read your comment properly! As you were....

Rikka said...

if Brits opened their eyes and mind and become more honest with themselves and the rest of the world, they would admit to be a terrible consumption society and they would stop using other people as servants, and they could (as THEY declare being such happy and good people) try to give these poor kids a chance for a better education and better life. Only fools admit that Brockley, a part of Lewisham with the highest rates of unemployment and single mothers, is a safe place. Only fools who nobody should trust.

Brockley Nick said...

Please stop posting the same argument under different names. Your previous name "The Honest One" was fine, if a little ironic.

Hanna said...

@ Nick
As I stated in my last comment, I regularly (weekly) go back to Brockley to visit friends and family, so I DO know what I'm talking about. And yes this is about safety. "Back in my day" as you referred to it Nick, you could walk the streets without being intimidated by shit bags on every corner. And yes, if you open your eyes you'll see them (unless of course you're one of them?) it's a dump- get over it or move out ;-)

Marcus Scott said...

you've never been to the projects

Broccoliwestside said...

I live in the honor oak estate. I have never had any problems. Must say that came to the area 13 years ago. I like the area very much.

Anonymous said...

I also missed it by mere minutes. I had just gotten the train to Brockley and I was walking up the stairs near the front entrance of the station. There were approximately twenty/thirty males wearing black hoodies and caps lurking at the top of the stairs, presumably waiting for someone to get off the train. They looked threatening and walking past them was very intimidating, but that's not a rare occasion in SE London. I walked to my flat and left moments later to get some food from the Brockley Rock. I went to Nisa prior to this, which is next to the back entrance of the station. Already, the station was cordoned off by police. There were officers standing at the top of the hill which leads down to Nisa and the back of the station, and police had also cordoned off the roads beside Wetherspoons. The station entrance (where the group of males were standing) had about fifteen police searching the area and bins, and there were numerous police vehicles scattered around the crime scene. My guess is that this was a targeted gang-related stabbing, and that the people waiting by the station were there to carry out the act. Live by the sword- die by the sword... I'm just glad nobody innocent was hurt.

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