Brockley Cross Crisis Point, Day 2


We're attempting to 'do a Daily Telegraph' with this story - ie: drip-feeding horrendous revelations on a daily basis until the public horror and outrage becomes so great that only complete reform will sate the clamour for change.

So here's another picture taken yesterday of Brockley Cross, following yesterday's pile-up. In this instance, you can see a little car owned by the plumbing office in Brockley Cross perched on the pavement for no good reason (it wasn't loading or unloading, it was there for several hours). But look beyond that and past the maroon van trying to negotiate the farcical double roundabout and you can see the self-hire removal van, owned by another Brockley Cross business, hogging the pavement on the far side.

The pavements of Brockley Cross are regularly used as overflow parking - it must stop.

Cllr Walton has already joined in the debate on the other thread, pledging to see what can be done to enforce parking regulations in the area. Thanks for his contribution, we'll be following this up.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Looks like an absolute crisis, yes...

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

My solution to Brockley Cross is mainly to avoid it....

I suspect the centre of Lewisham post Gateway will get the same treatment as the proposed traffic scheme there looks even worse than Brockley Cross if that is possible.

Anonymous said...

I quite like Brockley Cross as it provides easy access to Geoffrey Road, I rag up there to get home quickly and away from traffic.

Pretty easy to not hit the metal bollards once you've been through a few times too.

The Cat Man said...

If we are talking about Brockley Cross then lets start talking about why everyone who lives west of the station has had to circumvent the PARKED cars on the path outside the tea factory gallery?

Seriously, every frigging day.

Theres been times where I have had to go on the road, and the pavement has to be the worse in the area. I feel very sorry for people with pushchairs, it is such a disgrace and a complete hazard to public safety.

Headhunter said...

You sum it up perfectly, TM. People simply aviod Brockley X unless they are from out of town using it (and Wickham Rd, Malpas Rd etc etc) as a quick hop through route to get to other parts of town. These people drive through and do nothing for Brockley.

Brockley X serves very little useful purpose to the Brockley community. Personally I never use any of the shops (apart from Doorstep Bakery) on that stretch or on Brockley Rd as I can't stand the constant traffic.

As anon indignantly responded to my comment on the other thread, people should park on the pavement to allow easier access by larger traffic. Why though? Why should the whole of Brockley bow down to traffic? Why should large trucks and other motor vehicles have free and easy access to use Brockley simply as a route to get to their destination, through whichever residential street they wish?

Headhunter said...

"I quite like Brockley Cross as it provides easy access to Geoffrey Road, I rag up there to get home quickly and away from traffic.

Pretty easy to not hit the metal bollards once you've been through a few times too."

Exactly my point - this person clearly uses Geoffrey Rd/Brockley as a cut through and for no other purpose.

Anonymous said...

And long may that continue.

Brockley Nick said...

Haha anon 12.47, hilarious! Clarkson for PM, etc. Driving dangerously up what is supposed to be a quiet residential street and which has lots of young kids living on it is funny.

Anyway, you have illustrated a point I'll be returning to very soon about the Brockley Cross layout.

Brockley Nick said...

Catman - good point and have some photos of that situation for the coming days...

Hugh said...

Isn't the real question how to bulldoze the existing businesses in Brockley Cross to allow full redevelopment of the area?

Ed said...

The Tea Gallery got away with providing no parking by saying they would provide space to store bikes (I have seen one or two in nearly six months). I understand this is a common way for developers to avoid providing adequate parking. Brockley Cross needs proper provision for resident drivers and pedestrians alike.

Bea said...

I know where you stand on the issue of street furniture... but wouldn't bollards be the solution here? (Or large planters, or more trees next to the curb?)

Even though drivers may continue to double park is would prevent them actually parking on the pavement.

Headhunter said...

Yeah I'm all for the large planter solution, that was mentioned before...

The Cat Man said...

yes, mung bean plants in order to provide a locally sourced supply for our organic mung bean frappacinos.

Ed said...

Trees outside the Tea Factory and the other side of Brockley Cross (as per every one of the four options studied) please!

Comment said...

Yes, planters and bollards are a great idea. Design out the problem, it's less antagonistic than having traffic wardens.

I recall mention of creating a little green around that Brockley Cross area too.

Brockley Nick said...

I agree that a redesign / remodelling would be the right solution, but we have been told that there is no money to do so in the short term. We also know that nothing will happen without various studies being conducted, which would take many months, if not years. Also, any money spent placing stragegic bollards, etc would probably be used as a reason not to fix Brockley Cross properly (why spend money changing the layout when we've just given you shiny new bollards?).

Meanwhile, there are traffic wardens in Brockley who turn a blind eye to Brockley Cross.

drakefell debaser said...

I received a leaflet a few weeks back advertising planters that doubled up as bike racks – essentially you can secure your bike to a planter. They look ok and the planter weighs 75kg when filled with compost. I will see if i can find it later.

They might help the Tea Factory but that pavement does need to be sorted because it is embarrassing.

Marc said...

Maybe we should start a collection for the planters. Would the council accept local intervention?

Hugh said...

Is there anything we can do about all the undesirables living nearby?

Anonymous said...

There's nothing wrong with the people of the Conservation area Hugh.

The Cat Man said...

Ok, heres a big question. How much would it cost for a layout feasibility study to be commissioned?

The reason why I ask is that I have many friends at work looking for a good use of their annual charity donation of £500 each. If i get enough people together maybe, just maybe, we could get this off the ground and force the council to start the ball rolling.

20 people, for instance, is £10,000.

Anonymous said...

why dont you stop using the shops,then they will have to close down,Like other businesses had to when local people didn't support them

Headhunter said...

Didn't BXAG do a study of the traffic at Brockley X a few years back which the council has sat on and done nothing with?

drakefell debaser said...

The magic of google.

Here is the link for the planters mentioned earlier:

http://tinyurl.com/kwg35u

Anonymous said...

Easier just to ban everything. Replace it with one big gyratory deli.

Headhunter said...

Hmmm, not sure I'd be confident leaving my bike locked to one of those planters unless it was for residential use out in the back garden or something.

Ultimately it is still a movable object and bike thieves would probably just turn up with fork lifts and nick the whole thing. Or they could just hack through/freeze with liquid nitrogen, the metal loops you're suppose to attach the bike to - they look pretty flimsy. I only lock my bike to a purpose built bike stand, made of hardened metal a few inches in diameter or round a lampost or something.

Monkeyboy said...

There's really no point in embarking on a feasibility study unless there is a commitment and money to act on it. I've been involved in loads which have disappeared into the ether.

Consultants love 'em, easy money.

Monkeyboy said...

Hugh, I live nearby - you ain't driving me out! I've used the chippy, corner shop, newsagent and dry cleaners. Admittedly you can't buy a carbon fibre left handed widget holder but they do sell stuff to treat an inflated ego.

Monkeyboy said...

... oh, meant to add ;-) (is that a wink or just bad typing?)

Anonymous said...

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?

There is a very easy, and quick way to get people to stop parking on any given street.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

A friend of mine told me that a few years ago a car was been parked repeatedly outside his house by a commuter which often resulted in my friend having to park a long way from his door. He didn't wish to confront the driver about it because he didn't want the inevitable slanging match and confrontation. Anyway this car ended up getting it's tyres slashed. "Huh, kids, eh. They're a nightmare around here," he nodded sagely.

This only had to happen twice before the driver and his car vanished into thin air, forever.

I state categorically that i do not condone damaging other peoples property.

Anonymous said...

for chrissakes, doesn't anyone leave pedantic notes anymore?? Is this a dead art? OK so it might not work -- but have you tried?? This hasn't been my MO in London (since I don't own a car here) but when I lived in the US, this was a very effective way to keep neighbors in line. It worked on me, anyway....

Hugh said...

Monkeyboy, noted. Ronaldo apparently winks from his left eye but I always had you down as a right winker.

;)

Anonymous said...

My wife regularly goes to visit someone and she goes by car. A couple of weeks ago she had two of her tyres slashed for no apparent reason. For reasons I can't go into here it was a very serious matter for her, and although I was able to relieve the situation it caused a considerable amount of grief and cost £95 to get two tyres replaced.

Her only crime was that she happened to park somewhere where there is a nutter on the loose - several other cars have suffered similarly in the recent past.

Road rage, from any standpoint, be it pedestrian or road user, is unacceptable. Being a stupid road user is also unacceptable.

Being stupid is treatable.

drakefell debaser said...

He didn't wish to confront the driver about it because he didn't want the inevitable slanging match and confrontation. Anyway this car ended up getting it's tyres slashed. "Huh, kids, eh. They're a nightmare around here," he nodded sagely.

Bit of a gutless approach to a problem isn’t it?

Anonymous said...

I can't stand vandalism, or snotty notes. If you pay tax and are within the rules, you are free to park as you wish.

Comment said...

I have to echo anon, not only is it not illegal to have and use a car it's not immoral either. It is wholly unacceptable to damage someone's property. If the car is parked on the public road which is paid for by taxers, then whether you like it or not the car is legally entitled to park there whether it inconveniences you or not. If you don't like it, get a home that has a private drive.

I don't know where people get off advocating lawlessness like that.

Ed said...

Do the above comments mean that it is OK to vandalise illegally parked cars?

Anonymous said...

Well, the implication is that they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Comment you have no legal right to park on the road or even outside your house, it is just not illegal. Don't condone vigilantism either. It is illegal to park on the curb or pavement or a reservation area anywhere in london and you can be ticketed even if there is no sign.

A pedant writes... said...

You're allowed to park on the pavement in Adelaide Avenue. There are markings and signs permitting it.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I do it all the time when I catch the train from Ladywell.

tyrwhitt ali said...

I quite like the idea of the planters. Could we use Catman's charity fund at work to buy a load and then use them. Should the council ever get round to doing anything about the problem, then we can arrange to them moved somewhere else. I reckon they're secure enough for leaving your bike whilst you pop to the shops.

Anonymous said...

Pavement parking for the real pedant see

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tpm/tmaportal/tmafeatures/tmapart6/secparkingfactsheets/parkingonpavements

London wide there is a ban except where specifically marked and signed.

Anonymous said...

Ban on parking on zig zag lines outside schools too, and bit more than a ban on letting your children sit infront of car with no seat belt, and back for that matter, oh and for adults too. Plus ban on using mobile whilst driving. Still we see it all daily. Is there a ban on driving onto pedestrian crossings too so that no-one can easily cross when lights change? Must get on with my life...not before didn't someone say ban on leaving your dustbin on the footpath?

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