The Lewisham midterms: Ladywell decides!



Ladywell goes to the polls tomorrow to choose a new Councillor, following the departure of Tim Shand.

Full details of the election are available here. Only five candidates are standing:

Helen Mercer, People Before Profit (she also serves as secretary of the Hilly Fields Users' Group)

The campaigners have been pretty active over the last few weeks, hopefully presenting more coherent arguments than Alvin Greene managed.

One issue that has become "confused" during the course of the campaign is status of the plans to improve Ladywell's streetscape. Some campaigners have left residents with the impression that this money has been secured. It has not. The Ladywell Village Improvement Group is certainly hopeful that the money will be forthcoming, but as yet, there is no commitment.

As reader Tony points out:

Mayor Bullock and the cabinet decided earlier this month to delay funding for Ladywell’s improvements until 2012-13 and 2013-14. Deputy mayor Cllr Alan Smith made clear at the Cabinet meeting that any funding commitments after 2011-12 were “purely aspirational” given central government spending cuts.

We'll shortly be starting a poll to ask you how you plan to vote, but what arguments and issues have been most important to you in deciding who to back?

UPDATE: Ken Livingstone will be campaigning for Labour in Ladywell from 6.20pm tonight. This follows Green MP Caroline Lucas being wheeled out for the Greens last week.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Has it been made cleared if the possible cuts of £60m are based on a 25% or 40% reduction of central funding?

The average reduction is said to be 28%, if officers based their calcutions on 40% then one third of the proposed efficiencies/savings/cuts are not required?

Osh said...

They've been campaigning at Brockley Station for the last couple of days. Greater Ladywell?

tyrwhitt ali said...

To be fair, Ladywell ward does extend to include Cresent Way and some bits of Tressillian Road, and from there, Brockley is definitely your closest station.

I thought campaigning at Lewisham DLR was a bit hopeful...

tyrwhitt ali said...

In fact, does anyone know where you can find the ward maps? I've tried Lewisham's website but can't find them.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Its on there just a bit diagramatic for easy referencing

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/CouncilAndDemocracy/ElectedRepresentatives/Councillors/

I'm in Ladywell ward but I've not seen anyone canvassing at St Johns which is my nearest station.

A couple of party reps have been to the door on Sunday afternoons though.

Anonymous said...

A straight choice between a candidate who was low profile and unresponsive during his 2002-6 term as Councillor and, on the other hand, someone who worked hard and intelligently for Ladywell during her one term as Councillor up to May. This is a no-brainer.

Anonymous said...

I'm afraid My knowledge of this is all a bit sketchy. Please help. Is it genuinely a 2-horse race between Labour and the Greens? I want to keep Lethargic Labour out but I ha a lovely chat with Ingrid the other evening and was very impressed by her. There are more Lib Dems in the council to challenge self-serving Steve than just Darren and Ute for the Greens, but would a vote for Ingrid be a wasted vote?

darryl said...

You can find detailed maps of all council wards at this Ordnance Survey site.

Interesting that Ken's being wheeled out in Ladywell - presumably penance for him being a naughty boy by backing the other guy in Tower Hamlets the other week. Shame, though, since he needed the Greens on the London Assembly when he was in charge - and his agenda's probably closer to the Greens than it is Labour.

Anonymous said...

Have a look at the May 2010 figures and take your own decision - www.lewisham.gov.uk/CouncilAndDemocracy/DemocracyAndElections/Elections/LocalGovernment/Ladywell6May2010.htm

Nonpartisan said...

In of the interest of political diversity, which helps us all, Ladywell ward residents should either vote Green or Lib Dem.

From what I have observed, the candidates for these two parties also appear to be the candidates with the heart and determination to do a proper job.

Good luck.

Tressilliana said...

Yes, but if the people who don't want to vote Labour divide their votes between LibDem and Green Labour will get in! I'm voting Green. I hope Ingrid will get in in another ward in the near future but I want a Green councillor back.

Interesting to see if the turnout is anything like it was at the General Election. Half?

Forget the politics, just want a good Ward Councillor said...

The May 2006 election results may be a better guide to the Lib Dem chances with a lower turnout - then the figures were Green Councillors elected on approx 1,400 votes, losing Labour candidates approx 1,000 votes each, Lib Dems approx 375 and Cons approx 250.

Brockley Nick said...

Agreed, the results in May are a poor guide to what will happen here. The turnout was massively increased by the general election and a lot has happened since the election, with the LibDems now as popular as scrofula.

mintness said...

Paid-up Lib Dem here, but much as I think Ingrid is fantastic and I hope she makes it onto the Council somewhere nearby (hope for a Labour resignation in Lewisham Central maybe?), the Green vote is clearly the right tactical move tomorrow if the aim is to unseat Labour.

Anonymous said...

Who says the Lib Dems wont sell out like they did in the General Election.

max said...

Anonimous said so!

Anonymous said...

You know, trying to find common ground and assemble a diverse government isn't selling out. Politics isn't a case of all the good people on one side and all the bad on the other, and really hasn't been for some time. YOU are what's wrong with Britain today.

Name said...

I've just heard that Lib Dem MPs were cheering the tuition fee increase, during pmqs.

It says a lot about that party.

max said...

Name, you Labour troll and cunning liar!

It's obviously a major toad that Libdems had to swallow on tuition fees, to say that they cheered it is a blatant lie. Shame on you.

Darren Manning said...

I shall be voting Labour.I had a Liberal canvasser (maybe the candidate) at my door on Algernon Road. I mentioned the Tory MPs cheering and waving their order papers in Parliament the other week when the spending cuts were announced and said the libs should be ashamed. He got the right hump and I was unimpressed with his response. Carl (the Lab candidate) seems good to me (he is also a governer at Gordonbrock). The libs are finished - who wants to vote for the Tory party mark 2?

Name said...

Max I have just heard via twitter, that Lib Dems were cheering.

"IanMurrayMP Lib dem mps cheer tuition fees increase to 9k. 6 months ago they all signed nus pledges to retain cap at 3k. Politics at it's worst. "

Where is the lie Max?
How about you try engaging your brain before you type.

max said...

Honestly Name, what's the difference between you and the Cat Man?

That you feel righteous superiority?
That aside you're just as much of an opportunistic troll posting uqualified slurs for the benefit of your agenda.

max said...

Oh a twit! Great source, brilliant. So you're not a troll then.

mintness said...

Seems odd that Darren Manning has put in enough effort to determine that the Labour chap is definitely the one for him, yet doesn't seem at all aware that the Lib Dem candidate is one of those beastly oddities known as a woman. Still, got to toe the party line, eh?

max said...

Just in case people reading Name's shameful and opportunistic misinformation were wondering about the Lib Dem position on tuition fees here's a good post about it (link
).

Name said...

Given the chance to do something constructive re fees David Lammy on Twitter reports that: DavidLammy No Lib Dems turn up to debate on Higher Education - whatever happened to the "party for students"?

name said...

The sheer rage and anger students fee at the two facedness of Lib Dem politicians is comes to Lewisham

There are reports that students from Goldsmith's College have "stormed" Deptford town hall to protest at fees. Report from Twitter

Anonymous said...

Come on Ute!!!

Anonymous said...

Ute was Green councillor for Ladywell for 4 years from 2006-10 so a vote for her is a vote for experience too.

She was Green lead on budget issues, which will be useful in this 'cuts' era.

Anonymous said...

Ute was Green councillor for Ladywell for 4 years from 2006-10 so a vote for her is a vote for experience too.

She was Green lead on budget issues, which will be useful in this 'cuts' era.

Anonymous said...

Brockley and Ladywell were more special when they were run by the Greens.

Anonymous said...

They were never "run" by greens. They had green councillors

Anonymous said...

Why is the link for Lewisham People Before Profit omitted from the list? If you type Ladywell by-election into Google it is top of the list! Can the editor of this add it please?http://www.lewishampeopleb4profit.org.uk/nov-2010-ladywell-by-election

max said...

Name, your copying and pasting here of the casual tweetfarts of Labour MPs on their lunch breaks is possibly the lowest form of political propaganda.

If Labour (the original creators of tuition fees) hadn't spent 5 months on the biggest ever navel-gazing exercise maybe they would now have alternative policies and something better to say, as it happens tweetfarts are all our pallid opposition can express in their awkard attempts to lure floating voters.
Thanks for pointing that out.

Anonymous said...

The result should be in before midnight Thursday.

Name said...

STFU Max, That is all

Anonymous said...

That is a very grown up way to respond, Name. It says a lot about you.

Name said...

Well, this is the thing, I lowered my standards. :(

It won't happen again, I am not going allow myself to get annoyed by foolish remarks

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Totally forgot to vote this morning even left my poll card at home.

Anyone know when the polling stations shut?

Mondee said...

10pm ithink. And you don't need your polling card.

Peter Tooke said...

. . . but you have to go to your designated Polling Station (presumably your usual one?) as only one PS will have your part of the Ladywell register. If in doubt call LBL Electoral Services on 020 8314 6086. Hope this helps. P

Brockley Jack said...

My two cents:

Labour ruined the country when they had a big majority - giving them a stranglehold on Lewisham council is unwise.

Tories will never win in a traditionally working class area where even the richest inhabitants lean left.

Lib Dems are tainted by the coalition (AND they lied, or at least misrepresented the statistics on their flyers)

People before profit are crazy.

Greens therefore the only option.

Anonymous said...

It's a sad day indeed when the Greens are any sort of option, let alone the "only" one.

Anonymous said...

The Greens are hiding under the 'green' banner - they could just as easily be called Labour

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Thanks for the advice.

Pete said...

I think that the Green councillors did a sterling job prior to the general election and so would really like to see Ute get elected this time. I will certainly be voting for her.

For what it's worth I think that at the local level you're better off electing someone who is responsive rather than worrying about what is happening at the national level. Yes the lib dems do appear to have sold out by joining forces with the conservatives and they're helping to pass some hideous laws in parliament; but that doesn't mean that a local lib dem councillor is automatically cut from the same cloth.

Brockley Jack said...

No denying any of that. Ivoted Green and they are lunatics at the national level.

However my opinion of the Lib Dems is not that the national situation affects the ability of the prospective councillor to do her job, but it definitely affects her chances of getting elected. It was also the local party that used Lewisham wide data to pretend they were runners up in Ladywell last time.

Cllr Mike Harris said...

There are positive reasons to vote Labour. We're committed to protecting services for the most vulnerable locally; prioritising children and older people, and the town centre redevelopment which the Greens oppose.

It's an interesting election. I do think parties should be *partly* punished for their national politics but not totally. Partly punished as it does spell out their ideology, and the Lib Dem / Tory government have cut Lewisham Council's budget by, we expect, 30%. The worst cuts since Geddes Axe.

Wrong end of the stick said...

What have Ladywell's hairdressers got to do with it?

Undecided? said...

I was considering voting Labour but then Mike Harris kindly reminded me that they were the drivers behind the totally pointless money wasting Lewisham Gateway plan.

I'll vote Green now.

Anonymous said...

"and the town centre redevelopment which the Greens oppose."


their 'opposition' was based entirely on voting against it at a sham SPC meeting which, in the case of the Loampit Vale development, they could have overturned if they had not voted in favour of the now deputy mayor of lewisham to be chair, he went on to have two votes.

they did nothing else to oppose either loampit vale or the now abandoned Gateway development, in fact, they broadly supported it.

This, in my opinion, should have been high on their agenda.

They also voted with labour on the demolition of Lewisham bridge school - a shameful act on their part and one which I suspect they now regret because if they had been seen to support the retention of a historic building it would have done their cause no end of good - as it was it's a nail in their coffin (in Lewisham)

When I first voted for the Greens in ladywell I expected something a bit more radical than hanging baskets and planters.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, Councillor, you dwelled on the reasons for other parties, yet forgot to highlight why Labour should be *partly* punished.

This smug, holier than thou political point scoring is tedious and should be left to the politicians at the national level.

max said...

Wow! Mike, wow!
The town centre redevelopment!

Do you mean the Gateway?

That major development that took years of officers' time and millions of public money and is not happening?

Or do you mean the Loampit Vale development?

The massive development that only a few months after the Mayor signed off the contracts needed an emergency rescue package of £20.5m to go ahead?

£20.5m of public money to help fund a landmark tower of one bedroom flats flogged in Hong Kong to buy to let investors.

But wait, Carl Handley's role in this is all the more interesting, when a Ladywell Councillor he actually supported the plans so much that he decided that the constituents he represented where wrong and the Ladywell Leisure Centre should have shut years before a replacement was provided leaving his constituents without a local swimming pool for years to come.

Does this say that he has what it takes to soften the impact of cuts on residents?

Anonymous said...

I was Going to Vote Green, but read up on their voting record, they always voted for Labour policys so Switched to vote for Helen Mercer People Before profit Candidate. Great Candidate and the only one opposed to the cuts, all the others say no, but will still vote them through. so good luck Helen, every one in our house even none voters are coming out for you tonight

Tressilliana said...

Has everyone remembered to vote?

Anonymous said...

Anon 16:55 PBP are a wasted vote.

They also advocate an illegal budget which would mean central government taking control of the council budget (not an ideal situation).

What votes were you talking about?

One more hour left to vote.
Please vote Green and get Ute back in the council.

Anonymous said...

Dont vote Labour they have almost complete control of the council already and the Mayor supports the library closures.

Name said...

Vote Labour and join Labour, being in a political party enables you to affect policy and change things more effectively.

Miss L said...

When I lived in SE8, that ward's People Before Profit group's leaflets had a long bit about how the council should stop roadworks because they are the cause of mice problems.

'nuff said about PBP.

Marc said...

Voted. Was there about an hour before closing time and overheard the council man that 400 voters turned up.

Anonymous said...

How unique.... thanks for pointing that bit out.

Who else knew?

Anonymous said...

that was in response to Name

max said...

A even better response to Name was the outcome of the Labour leadership elections, the only known case of an entire party membership losing an internal election!

Danja said...

Max, your party chose the bed it wished to lie in. Please lie in it with grace.

max said...

I know, just couldn't resist there.

I'm free from party allegiance right now though, I have supported Ingrid just for her being herself not a member of this or that.

mintness said...

I wonder if someone at/with a hotline to the count will be good enough to post the result here when it's known (as I assume the council won't stick it on the website till tomorrow morning...).

mintness said...

Oh. Should have checked the front page really!

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