Brockley elects ... Mayoral election results

A little behind the times, this: ward-level results for the Mayoral elections have recently been released and we thought readers might find it interesting. It's been quite hard to process the results into a readable format, so please note that each candidate's name is followed by the number of first preference votes they won, then the number of second preference votes then won. We haven't calculated percentages or had a look at the Assembly voting results, though we might consider it if there's enough demand out there ...

Brockley ward results: Mayor

Richard Barnbrook (BNP)
49
66
Gerard Batten (UKIP)
19
62
Sian Berry (Green Party)
377
1040
Alan Craig (Christian PP & Alliance)
78
102
Lindsey German (Left List)
52
134
Boris Johnson (Conservative)
692
284
Ken Livingstone (Labour)
2170
685
Winston McKenzie (Ind)
8
37
Matt O’Connor (Eng Dems)
9
44
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem)
447
890

TOTAL
1st prefs: 3901
2nd prefs: 3344

Spoilt
1st prefs: 60
2nd prefs: 557



Telegraph Hill ward results: Mayor

Richard Barnbrook (BNP)
47
98
Gerard Batten (UKIP)
18
64
Sian Berry (Green Party)
226
859
Alan Craig (Christian PP & Alliance)
84
144
Lindsey German (Left List)
52
116
Boris Johnson (Conservative)
691
242
Ken Livingstone (Labour)
2174
545
Winston McKenzie (Ind)
12
44
Matt O’Connor (Eng Dems)
7
48
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem)
331
844

TOTAL
1st prefs: 3642
2nd prefs: 3004

Spoilt:
1st prefs: 47
2ns prefs: 638


Ladywell ward results: Mayor

Richard Barnbrook (BNP)
43
79
Gerard Batten (UKIP)
14
77
Sian Berry (Green Party)
319
1013
Alan Craig (Christian PP & Alliance)
67
109
Lindsey German (Left List)
52
106
Boris Johnson (Conservative)
759
301
Ken Livingstone (Labour)
2065
595
Winston McKenzie (Ind)
6
58
Matt O’Connor (Eng Dems)
9
45
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem)
369
849

TOTAL
1st prefs: 3703
2nd prefs: 3232

Spoilt:
1st prefs: 67
2nd prefs: 471


Crofton Park ward results: Mayor

Richard Barnbrook (BNP)
62
119
Gerard Batten (UKIP)
35
138
Sian Berry (Green Party)
271
923
Alan Craig (Christian PP & Alliance)
79
117
Lindsey German (Left List)
48
74
Boris Johnson (Conservative)
1072
322
Ken Livingstone (Labour)
2054
585
Winston McKenzie (Ind)
10
56
Matt O’Connor (Eng Dems)
12
87
Brian Paddick (Lib Dem)
464
1023

TOTAL
1st prefs: 4107
2nd prefs: 3444

Spoilt:
1st prefs: 58
2nd prefs: 663



From a quick glance at first preference votes it's clear that this is a Ken-friendly area, though we note that Crofton Park residents were reasonably well disposed towards The Boris. Perhaps unsurprisingly there was a strong showing from the Greens.

77 comments:

Brockley Nick said...

Also worth noting that Sue Luxton's bid for the Assembly got a higher proportion of the votes in the Brockley ward than she did in the Ladywell ward.

http://andrewkbrown.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/votes.jpg

Brockley Nick said...

Here's that link again:

http://andrewkbrown.files.wordpress.com
/2008/05/votes.jpg

Anonymous said...

I voted for Boris, and I'm dissapointed more didn't do the same. Green was a truly wasted vote by the olives.

Monkeyboy said...

oh god...release the trolls!

Bea said...

Mmmm - olive green - nice shade. Then again there is sage green, bay green or the ever so "Homes & Garden" Farrow & Ball "Breakfast Room Green"

Monkeyboy said...

My problem is that if you voted for ken at least you KNEW who you we're voting for. A vote for Boris is a vote for the Cameron election machine..... fine if you're aware where your vote was going.

All a bit academic now anyway

Brockley Kate said...

Bea - there's also the authentic working class shade, 'mushy pea green' ...

Bea said...

Kate – true - but are the multitudinous incarnadine working class of Brockley likely to make the green ones red?

APP&P Troll said...

and no, the people who voted BNP are not my extended family....

Quite impressed at the level of second prefs. Going to lib dens, *sigh* I wish we had Charles Kennedy back :0(

Tressillian James said...

Bea - how about Vert de terre - for us Europhile greens?

Tressillian James said...

I thought it was alos interesting that Boris's support was stronger as we headed towards Crofton Park -I wonder if it has anything to do with rows of single owner-occupied terrace houses with young families?

I'm not trying to cause an argument btw; it really does interest me, because the change in voting pattern is noticable..

Bea said...

TJ - yes a truly earthy colour worthy of any Brockley front door.

Brockley Kate said...

Just checked the votes for Sue - there's only 2% in it, so it's a little churlish surely! (29% in Ladywell vs 31% in Brockley).

In case anyone's interested, National Front votes were as follows:
Brockley ward: 74
Crofton Park: 113
Ladywell: 75
Telegraph Hill: 76

The highest NF ward votes were:
postal votes: 467
Downham ward: 292
Grove Park: 272

Anonymous said...

I have mixed feelings about the BNP vote. I am proud that my ward Brockley gave them the least amount of votes nonetheless SEVENTY plus people where I live are that way inclined, yuck.

Sue Luxton said...

Ah, the Brockley Green vote may have been a bit higher, but the Ladywell Green vote was the second most improved in London; up 6% on 2004 :). Only Highgate in Islington, where we took a Council seat off the Tories in a by-election on the same day increased more, so I'm pleased with the Ladywell vote. Anon troll: how was a Green vote a wasted vote when it was a PR election (at least the list bit) and we got 2 Greens elected to the London Assembly?!

Brockley Nick said...

@Kate - I wasn't dissing the good councillor. But in the Brockley ward, Greens were a very close second to Labour - quite a bit closer than in any other ward. I just found that quite interesting. That is all.

jon s said...

Ho hum, electoral strategy matters.

the reality of a two party system is that the major parties compete for the centre gound, and the political lifecycle for change sinks in from 6+ years, either through a new leader or the oppisition party.

If Ken would have won, more of a bloated bureaucracy, with Boris a little more focus on "family values" and "law and order". Also more reliance on an advisor to present a short list of solutions e.g. the top 3 the advisor prefers out of the 60 on offer.

What the local voting does show is that the Tories will win the next general election as they have won Middle England.

Everyone will now forget about this until the next election...........

Brockley Kate said...

Anon - it's worth noting that those votes were for the National Front, not the BNP - far, far worse.

lb said...

I note the Johnson has already got to work caving in to the group of scoundrels going under the name 'Thames Water'.

[tressillian james] for an indicator of the demographic differences between the different wards, have a look on page 11 of this pdf document.

As you can see the further south you go from Brockley - broadly speaking - the deprivation score changes markedly, though as the document itself says deprivation is not necessarily an indicator of wealth, but includes other factors. The north and east of Brockley are the most deprived areas, whereas Crofton Park has some of the lowest levels, being more like Blackheath or Lee Green.

lb said...

Also, according to page 14, Crofton Park has among the highest proportion of multiple car-owning households - which might be another factor.

Tressilliana said...

That was a fascinating link, lb. Interesting to see that car ownership is so low in Lewisham, and in Brockley in particular, and good to see that the author of the report recognised that this wasn't necessarily a sign of poverty - some of us have made a positive choice not to have a car.

I wish the word 'deprived' wasn't used so much, though. What's wrong with saying 'poor', 'badly educated', 'unemployed', 'chronically ill'?

Anonymous said...

...lazy

Some of us make a conscious decision to have a car in the first place, just to spite the organic olives.

APP&P Troll said...

What is really interesting is that Telegraph Hill appears to have less deprivation than Brockley...

.. you wouldn't think so judging by some of it!

Monkeyboy said...

NF worse than the BNP? Well I suppose in the same way that gonorrhoea is worse than genital warts you have a point.

By the way rumour has it that some TfL guys who are working on Crossrail are polishing their CV's while looking nervously over their shoulders. Remember Gordo/ex-mayor Ken and the City agreed a funding package but no cheques have been written. I'm just glad the ELL started before the whole credit crunch & Boris scenario kicked in. I doubt that 'Phase 2' to Clapham will happen.

Anonymous said...

I think if they want to run it out all the way to clapham then they need to give the line a name that's more inclusive than 'East London'

Danja said...

By that point it would be (have been) one leg short of being the London Orbital.

Anonymous said...

Monkeboy - do you know what' happening to Brockley Station as it's due for a short closure for 'imporvements'.

APP&P Troll said...

Putting in ticket barriers no doubt.

Hey, did anyone notice the theiving 'revenue protection squad' issuing tickets on Monday morning? They were charging everyone peak fare prices even in off peak. Why couldn't the normal station staff issue tickets (who were just standing around doing sod all) Bunch of idiots, the lot of them.

I think the NF is alot worse than the BNP. Its quite interesting really, I did that vote checker application on some of my work colleagues, it suggested that they vote BNP. - and this is normal white collar professionals.

The BNP support goes beyong the poorer working class and you can see why, loss of british identity and our jobs are unde threat from being outsourced.

I havn't voted BNP, but I agree that the loss of the British identity and a short termist view in terms of the labour, real and financial markets is contributing towards a long term decline in UK living standards. I do think we should limit temporary immigration.

APP&P Troll said...

Putting in ticket barriers no doubt.

Hey, did anyone notice the theiving 'revenue protection squad' issuing tickets on Monday morning? They were charging everyone peak fare prices even in off peak. Why couldn't the normal station staff issue tickets (who were just standing around doing sod all) Bunch of idiots, the lot of them.

I think the NF is alot worse than the BNP. Its quite interesting really, I did that vote checker application on some of my work colleagues, it suggested that they vote BNP. - and this is normal white collar professionals.

The BNP support goes beyong the poorer working class and you can see why, loss of british identity and our jobs are unde threat from being outsourced.

I havn't voted BNP, but I agree that the loss of the British identity and a short termist view in terms of the labour, real and financial markets is contributing towards a long term decline in UK living standards. I do think we should limit temporary immigration.

Monkeyboy said...

The BNP are simply racist bigots, if you read up on Nick Griffins history you would see that. They are simply playing with words. Those who vote for them either know exactly what an odeous bunch they are or are SO stupid that they actually buy the repackaged NF agenda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm

Your work collegues may wear white collars but they are clearly thick as two short planks - no matter how many degrees they have.

lb said...

What exactly is this "loss of British identity" and how would voting for the group of ranting, drooling clowns going under the name of the BNP stop it?

Of course BNP support goes beyond the "poorer working class" - class and income aren't barriers to idiocy.

Tom said...

lb - don't feed the troll! This is APP&P's pet subject and he'll bang on and on about it until we all start feeling rather uncomfortable.

This loss of British identity thing is a right-wing canard that is currently achieving some resonance amongst a right-ward drifting polity, bored of statist technocratic new Labour.

Foreigners are just an easy target for much more deep-seated issues.

lb said...

You hit the nail on the head there, I think.

Brockley Kate said...

Monkeyboy: the NF are proper fascists, so yes, they are worse than the BNP. Doesn't make the BNP any less vile and bigoted though.

Headhunter said...

Anon 20 May 2008 22:33 - the line won't be called the East London Line when it re-opens, it'll be the London Overground as far as I know

Anonymous said...

But the BNP are Nazis- they are Nationalist and socialist, (their policies on 'Britishness' are essentially anti globalisation, they want people to go back to semi- agarian existance living off the land).

The question is fascist or nazi, Mussolini or Hitler, both are very dangerous.

You can read even in some of the comments in this thread how seductive the ostensible BNP proposition is to some.

History doesn't repeat itself but there are patterns and in extreme circumstances (typically severe economic downturns) people look to extreme solutions, often against their higher judgement.

Tom said...

I don't think the far-right are - currently - coherent enough to have a single political position.

It is sadly inevitable that as the country drifts to the Right then more of this xenophobia will become common currency, and that the Tories are likely to swim a little in this tide.

Anonymous said...

"But the BNP are Nazis- they are Nationalist and socialist, (their policies on 'Britishness' are essentially anti globalisation, they want people to go back to semi- agarian existance living off the land)"

God, where to start. They are really, really note Nazis, and frankly it for people to keep attempting to brand the BNP as such weakens and renders irrelevant the opposition to them, especially in the minds of people who vote for them. There is enough to attack the BNP on without resorting to hysterical, inaccurate labels.

APP&P Troll said...

the NF are certainly alot worse than the BNP. I would imagine that there is a part of the BNP who are also racist but I would doubt very much it would be the whole party.

My interpretation of British values (and concerns):

Celebrating diversity.( as the labour market becomes more internationally focused, there is a 'harmonizing' effect over a period of time where cultures become similar. We lose a key factor in terms of innovation and identity)
Celebrating your community (with temporary 'citizens' where you live becomes a price point. There is no benefit from investing in a community if you are not going to be around to enjoy the fruits of your labour)
Respect for the past, and learning what lessons we have learnt to guide the future.(if we do not pass on certain 'social values' such as respect and tolerance, who is going to promote this? A fact that many people seem to forget is that alot of countries do not have a mature 'rule of law' embedded within people)
distribution of wealth to provide opportunities for the poor (this simply cannot happen under free labour markets in the long term. I feel everyone should be given a chance, its a real shame)

Instead of blindingly ignoring the BNP people should engage them. If they are complete idiots and their policies crap let them trip themselves up. If on the otherhand, they do make sense then more and more people will listen. I suspect that the main parties are concerned about this as the BNP are talking about some things that the main parties still havnt got to grips with, even if half of them are a bunch of racist idiots.

Tom said...

APPP all of your points are assertions with no supporting evidence provided. Fail.

Monkeyboy said...

Point taken, OK perhaps not Nazis, they we're at least organised.

They're just a fairly foul bunch of people who essentially hate foreigners, I really don't see their argument as being anything more sophisticted then that. They really ought to read a little more.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the other small parties were all about. I remember once we had a Transcendental Meditation party. Those were the days.

APP&P Troll said...

Tom, I'm really not going to quote supporting evidence on here, the list of refernces would be far too long and this isn't really what this site is about.

I talk about prinicples which have often been analysed to death by academics, I suggest go and read a few good academic journals.

Governments arnt really concerned as they generally only have a 5-15 yr view on things. I'm talking about long term trends, circa +25 yrs.

If it becomes a 'middle class' issue (such as the environment) then they may do sonething about it. And I do think immigration, loss of identity and loss of jobs are heading that way....

lb said...

[APPP] I don't see how people who are concerned at the erosion of a national identity, or set of values, that according to you rests on "celebrating diversity" could find anything to vote for in the BNP; the latter's main policy cornerstone appears to be ranting tediously about giving housing and employent priority to "British people" (whoever they are). Not very diverse, is it?

The BNP don't seem to have got to grips with anything, other than the fact that some people are fearful and bigoted enough to vote for almost any unpleasant, divisive 'ideology'.

lb said...

As for your second post, technology and associated changes in economic and social patterns are far more of a factor than immigration.

There's no evidence that the BNP are doing anything other in supposedly addressing these points than indulging in the usual tactic of far-right groups throughout history, that of blaming other people.

PaddyOM said...

I sometimes think that people vote BNP as an extreme reaction to their frustration with antisocial behaviour which to them represents the erosion of tradtional English identity and values. As there is no real alternative for them to vent their concerns with this change at the voting booths they vote BNP without actually reading their policies.

I wouldn't ever vote for the BNP as some of their policies are quite frankly bizarre but i do get concerned about the erosion of British values and where this country is heading, primarily due to the attitude of many of our youngsters. While I know foreigners are not solely to blame for this decline in behaviour standards, reading the news makes it clear that a disproportionate percentage of children (especially boys) from families with an immigrant background seem to be responsible for increasing levels of bad behaviour and a terrible 'attitude' (kids trying to be gangsters) amongst teenagers often leading to extreme crime.

Sometimes when walking home from Ladywell station and I pass gangs of hoodie kids from families which were obviously originally not English - blocking the footpath behaving obnoxiously, screaming like lunatics, chucking chicken bits and rubbish all over the place while they block old ladies from passing in comfort, with an 'attitude' Vinnie Jones would die for - i cant help but seeing why people can be frustrated into voting for the BNP camp. I however would vote for a party which advocates the restoration of the traditional British values of common decency, manners, respect for the police/your elders etc... which so many young kids seem completely defunct of, without the xenephobic enforcement which the BNP proposes.

Not sure if its connected but i do think we need more days/occasions of national pride where we can celebrate British traditions and culture and involve immigrant children in that. A lot of kids born here dont even consider themselves British but African/Carribean/Irish/European etc... despite being born in England as their parents are often originally from abroad and thats the only culture they experience. These people should be encouraged to get to know the country they live in as opposed to ghetto-ize parts of it.

Does anyone who votes BNP actually read this website and if so whats the reason you voted that way? Sorry for writing so much, i find the topic very interesting...;)

APP&P Troll said...

fair point. I define anyone who holds a 'british passport' as being British. I'm not sure if the BNP thinks the same although apparently the new assembly party member said this also on TV.

Its all the more reason for the main parties to deal with these issues otherwise the BNP vote will just increase. I was shocked that my colleagues should vote BNP according to votematch. It really becomes a wide spread issue when people in a professional ethnicaaly diverse middle class environment like my company vote BNP

APP&P Troll said...

paddyon, thank you! You have made my day. You have conveyed exactly my view point too. Ive been trying to say this for a long time on here but even one slight reference to non-British behaviour has branded me a racist to some.

Its such a shame when in not even aloud to care about my country publicly by voicing my concerns.

Your analysis is spot on. The problem is the main parties won't listen until the issues identified by the BNP are considered mainstream. Their solution? Don't let them become mainstream. Its abut like burying your head in the sand, completley irresponsible.

lb said...

[Patrick] Come on, the British don't have a monopoly on things like 'respect for your elders', which are pretty much an integral part of many cultures throughout the world. The family unit's far stronger than it is in Britain in many places (partly through economic necessity).

The problem is here - it's got nothing to do with foreign values supplanting British ones - and its roots are in the British economy and society. It might be exacerbated if someone, say, turns up in Britain's uniquely individualist and rootless society fresh from a war zone or something, but I don't really feel that people are bringing all this behaviour with them from elsewhere.

Tom said...

APPP not citing unnamed evidence to support your argument doesn't actually help your argument. Fail.

Citing others that support your views as proof of the truth of your argument is a logical fallacy, known in rhetoric as argumentum ad populum (argument or appeal to the public). Fail.

Shifting the point to "the government" is just moving the goal posts and evading the drift of your own argument. Fail.

I am being quite aggressive because there are certain subjects that require care when discussed. Race, ethnicity and nationhood are some of these, and a casual glance at the twentieth century should explain why.

Wading into these conversations with casual xenophobia is not on, especially as this is umpteenth time you have done it.

'Summer Glau'

http://xkcd.com/406/

And LB - agree with you completely.

Anonymous said...

Paddy, the bad behaviour of the youth you cite, is a class issue rather than a race one. It would have been teddy boys or whatever in the 1950's.

Many black people are just as frustrated and fed up with seeing hooligan behaviour from some of youth who are the same colour as they but what can you. You can't tell people how to grow their kids up.

Look at the government bill on IVF yesterday which dismisses the necessity for a father in the upbringing of a child. It's now enshrined in law that men are an optional extra in a family.

I think there is some merit in the argument that we are experiencing large scale social degenerancy but the likes of the BNP are in no way capable of addressing it. They'll just create a new set of problems, in place of the they're supposedly solving.

Anonymous said...

You know it is not difficult to find English youths with no hint of a foreign heritage who behave in a rude, uncouth manner with no respect for the elderly or anyone else. And there a lot more of them.

The problems of out of control youths is nothing much to do with immigration. In fact it is often the case that families from immigrant backgrounds have much stronger family discipline.

What you do with the 'lost boys' is a much bigger problem that is national. There is nor a town in this country that does not have a problem with bored youth.

It has a lot to do with the poor parenting and the decline in trust placed in institutions that formerly provided the structure, boundaries and guidance that young people need.

I blame the parents and the teachers. Between them they have abandoned teenagers to their own devices. There is little wonder they get up to no good.

Monkeyboy said...

Gangs of young people intimidating law abiding folk etc, etc... think of white football hooligans (who ironically may be more inclined to vote BNP??).

It's a bit more complex than whether or not your British or the shade of your skin. And please, this lecture about British values? it's to do withh acceptable standards of behaviour. The British 'race' do not have the monopoly on that as anyone who watches white males spilling out of pubs pissing in the streets and throwing up will testify.

APP&P Troll said...
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Brockley Nick said...

@Andy - that is not acceptable comment on this site and will be deleted.

Anonymous said...

Good God, what kind of individual are you?

Anonymous said...

Well, those of us who had the misfortune to read those remarks before they were deleted will be under no illusion what this man is.

A man of low quality.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever actually met APPP in person? Has he ever been to the drinks? I used to picture him as a fifty something accountant who lived alone and had cats. These recent cycling comments suggest someone younger. I always get the feeling that half his posts are his own opinion (the bigotted ones unfortunately) and half are him trying to win back favour - such as his questions about the bikes.His long winded explanations about economics suggests someone who is anal and boring, a bit of a jobs worth. I can't quite put my finger on what I mean. I don't think he's dangerously bigotted, just a bit of a sad, lonely man with little economic power and so he rails against what he sees at the injustice of it all.

Anonymous said...

I think that is a good analysis, he does attempt to ingratiate himself with people he thinks are like minded. I noticed he tried it on with a lady who said she had degrees in economics (as he claims to have) and he wanted to continue the conversation at the drinks.

She had the good sense to politely rebuff, can you imagine being stuck in the bar listening to bigotted prattle all evening.

Anonymous said...

I don't even like the moniker - it makes me feel a bit uneasy with it's nursery rhyme connotations - presumably his real name is Andy.

Brockley Nick said...

Perhaps we can have a few threads that aren't about Andy, one way or the other, from now on?

APP&P Troll said...

Why are you all anon?

I have no problems meeting anyone, then you can see for yourself.

If I was such a bigot then I wouldn't last 5 minutes in the type of job that I do, so i'm sorry you feel that way.

I'm also 29 and engaged, so no I was not 'trying it on' with a lady on here. Good Grief.

Resident of Brockley said...

You are not someone to be taken seriously, those remarks really showed you up. When Max and a few others went at you a few months back for your remarks on Black History Month, which was totally unrelated to the thread, I had felt that you were hard done by, you were simply expressing your view.

However we know that behind that infantile veneer "Andy Pandy" is an individual with a bitter and quite nasty streak as evidenced by your attitude towards Kate in the Assemblies thread and those disgraceful remarks today.


Frankly I think Nick and the team are saintly putting up with your behaviour, you give them extra work by having to monitor and delete your posts. You were told quite clearly to keep things civil but your temper got the better of you today.

A period of reflection away from this site would do you some good.

APP&P Troll said...

11 woman burned alive in Kenya for Witchcraft according to the bbc today.

And you honestly think its wrong to talk about cultural influences on immigrants to the UK?

Well, pity the boy who got chopped to bits and thrown in the thames a few years ago.

Monkeyboy said...

Jesus, what an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Just out of interest, what IS wrong with Andy pointing that out?

What were the comments before about?

Anonymous said...

A) that's not what he said. He came out with a stream of bizarre racist rot.
B) in isolation, the point he just made might be part of a valid debate, but he uses every opportunity to drag a discussion round to race and then says he's not being racist.

And he thinks everything is about him. Has there ever been a subject he hasn't expressed a bizarre or dull opinion about?

Monkeyboy said...

Erm...are we really under threat from bus loads of witch murdering Kenyans? Having said that the murder of women because they are thought to be witches is eminently British so if 'Britishness' is a qualification lets welcome them in (just hide the matches eh AP&P)

You really need something else to get paranoid over.

I'm getting drawn in again...my last word on this. Promise

APP&P Troll said...

Quite a few actually :o)

Anon, the problem people have we me is that:

1) I often advocate un-popular views that despite well thought through, people do not want to hear and as a result they often reside to personal attacks.

2) The truth is, i'm not a politician, never want to be, and never will be. I'm much more of an academic and will quite happily advocate an unpopular view point if i believe it to be credible.

3) Some people are inadvently sensitive to my comments, which is understandable as sometimes they could imply they have got things wrong.

4) For my part, the lesson that I have to learn is to be more diplomatic instead of just blurting things out.

The point that got deleted above with a generic statement about the link between cultural traits and productivity. Nothing too exteme i might add (and the type of thing that I have heard people talk about down the pub) but some people took offense. Nick, as moderator, quite rightly deleted the comment.

The interesting thing is that I have never really personally attacked anyone like people do to me here. I'm not too concerned (and I kind of expect it) but to imply i make up comments to somehow make myself 'fit in' is quite bizarre. It just goes to show how things have degenerated.

APP&P Troll said...

Monkeyboy, i havnt heard any british acts of 'witchcraft' recently and i'll be very surprised to here a bunch of english men and women burning someone on the stake. Maybe the kenyans are about 200 years behind the times.

I want the UK to be a progressive society, what about you?

APP&P Troll said...

Just to address the point about being a racist:

accordingly to www.m-w.com (online dictionary)

Racist: - "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

Race: - "a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics"

So i'm afraid i'm not a racist. I would never advocate one country's/cultural values to be better or higher than anothers. We should celebrate both.

Maybe you should resort back to personal attacks, at least then you can satisfy yourselves with knowing than I find them quite offensive.

Anonymous said...

AP

Academic?

Well, you certainly know how to bamboozle and confuse. I bet you were the talk of the common room.

However, this is supposed to be a site for discussing matters relating to Brockley and your contributions tend to steer off piste.

Your political theories ,too, are very trying because few of us can follow the nuances of your arguments.

Maybe you could start your own blog where you take time to propound your theories. We could then consider them at length and you would not be troubled by all these interruptions.

APP&P Troll said...

@anon, I agree, and I make a similar point above.

The trouble is that people just dont understand some aspects, so they proof, proof and even more proof.

Abit stupid really, as even then they don't know what to do with it.

Nick, I take it is acceptable to call people idiots?

Monkeyboy, you are a complete and utter idiot. Or should I call you Monkeybaby judging by some of your comments.

Anonymous said...

based on what?

lb said...

In an attempt to drag this thread kicking and screaming back to its original point, did anyone else pay any attention to the Johnson's first question-and-answer session at the Assembly the other day? What did you think of his performance?

I found it rather lacking in substance as with everything else about him so far, but then again he heasn't had a great deal of time to do much yet.

Failing that, we could always talk about The Apprentice.

Bea said...

My sister has a fun commentary on The Apprentice in her blog which made me laugh ...

The Apprentice Haggler
http://tales-from-the-middle.blogspot.com/


... so how many here think they could do those tasks?

Tom said...

Johnson's entertaining but insubstantial.

Most of the real decisions are being made by others and most of his outbursts are a little weird, but then Ken was a bit left-field too.

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