Manners maketh the blog

"You know, I asked him about that. He said, good manners are just a way of showing other people we have respect for them. See, I didn't know that, I thought it was just a way of acting all superior."

- Blast From the Past

Earlier this week, BC recorded its 100,000th visit, which makes this as good a time as any to ask people to use the site considerately.

  1. Observe the code of conduct. Here it is - it's pretty simple.
  2. Give it a name. 'Lb', 'Drakefell Debaser', 'Fabhat' - these are just some of the 'names' people given themselves, which give away nothing about their true identity. If you feel more comfortable remaining relatively anonymous, by all means make up a name. But please can more of you post under a pseudonym, rather than "anonymous". It makes it very hard to follow conversations and to know whether you're the person I strongly disagree with, or the person I strongly agree with.

Thanks, gang!

84 comments:

Tressillian James said...

Thaks for posting this agian Nick - really wish it was compulsory for all to give names - as Nick says it helps in following threads. It also gives the blog personality - I now have distinct images of LB, Bea, Fabhat, Creepy Lesbo going home to drink tea, Headhunter, Monkeyboy, Brockley Mutha etc and of course APP&P.

brockley mutha said...

i agree - i find anon posters make converations v confusing.

MadameGeneva said...

I've been posting as anonymous but only because I had IT issues (incompetency) with leaving a name. Rectified now, apologies for my previous bad forum manners!

Tressilliana said...

The name thing is very easy to sort out. I have a googlemail account and if any of the anons don't you can open one of those in a couple of minutes.

Once you have gmail, you can created an ID specifically for use on this and other blogs by clicking on the link underneath the comment box. It took me a couple of minutes. Then when you want to comment you type in your googlemail username (without the @ bit, that took me a while to grasp) and your googlemail password, click on publish your comment and your comment will appear under your blog ID. Easy peasy.

Tressillian James said...

Welcome MadameGeneva - an intriguing name..

Anonymous said...

I would argue against (obviously) - mainly after having seen the negative slant some posters afford to others based purely on their name. "Oh its more of so and so's behaviour" instead of engaging in a sensible discussion on the matter in hand.

Tressillian James said...

Or just click the "Name/URL button" and type yr mail in every post. Equally simple. Really guys there is no excuse..

Tressillian James said...

not 'mail' but 'name'.

Also Anon - it's rubbish to suggest we don't read and respond to comments and have vendettas against users.

Go on - do it -out yourself

tyrwhitt michael said...

I simply don't read ones signed anonymously...

Brockley Kate said...

I too would strongly encourage everyone to use a name in their post - hell, you can even write a psudonym into the text of the post itself! This site is getting so big now that some threads become almost incomprehensible without names to go on ...

Brockley Nick said...

I would also strongly encourage you to watch Blast from the Past. It really is a good and much-overlooked rom-com.

A question said...

Is Drakefell Debaser a Pixies fan?

drakefell debaser said...

drakefell debaser is indeed a pixies fan.

APPP&P Troll said...

Yes, names are good. We could always give ourselves unique numbers but wouldnt be very catchy...

Has anyone noticed the recently planted flower beds on mantle road?

Anonymous said...

Well, you all would be keen on names wouldn't you? As if giving yourself a daft moniker somehow infers a credibility that exceeds that of anonymous posters. That is no sort of argument in my opinion.

While some of you may seldom venture from your pied a terre to mooch about the locale, I do so with relentless abandon. I would not want any Tom Dick or Harry coming up to me an taking issue with something I have said on the blog The streets of Brockley are already patrolled by pavement cycling yoof and the aggressive beggars from the local hostel. Should we add to that the predations of the odder characters that post on this site?

There are an awful lot more people read this blog than post on it. A name increases the likelyhood that you might become identifiable.

I noticed that a couple of the main protagonists on this site were not keen meeting others at any of the drink ups. Fearful, maybe, that they have annoyed too many people already with their troll-like remarks.

Or maybe it was that some people are playing the trick of adopting several identities. Useful when they are losing an argument to have another character chip in with supporting remarks. Begs the question which names are, in fact, all the same person?

You might find it a little confusing from time to time, but we anonymous posters make a significant contribution to this blog. It would be a shame for this site to become dominated by a self righteous clique.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - I have deliberately left the door open to anon posters, because I know a couple of others feel as you do. But for me, it really is a practical issue - conversations are easier to follow if comments have names attached. I don't think I would be able to track down any of the posters on the basis of their BC contributions.

Tamsin said...

Thanks for your comment on my daft moniker (and I to some extent agree with you) - it was actually given to me by my parents as, presumably, was Nick's, Kate's and Jon's - just for starters. (Their respective parents, not mine but you know what I mean!)

And I think names, particularly if they are real ones, do give the poster more credibility. There is something rather furtive about clinging to anonymity.

fabhat said...

Anon that's a pretty harsh attitude to those of us that have moniker'd up. The name doesn't have to be anything to do with anything - just gives some kind of sense to a thread.You could be anon 2020 or whatever you liked and no-one would know who you were in real life. Also, some names are very amusing...Creepy lesbo is my favorite so far.

Anonymous said...

The argument that a name gives some sort of integrity is a bit lame. Many of the names are daft and those who use their first name are hardly unique.

The 'I have to courage to stand up for the things I say' argument would have more credibility if the name really did identify you completely. In the same manner as is the practice of some of our elected councillors.

I doubt that many of you would be prepared to go that far and if you did, you might self censor your postings such that you render the whole site far less interesting.

I accept the point about clarity and being able to follow the discussions.

Tamsin, is a good name, smacks of credibility. But like all these first names, it is a bit too common.

APP&P troll said...

Yes, creepy lesbo is indeed, kind of creepy but i love it!

Im quite happy with the APP&P Troll name, but anon (the first one) is right to a degree. Most people want to be at peace with each other and neglect to talk about the real issues effecting all of us.

I have distinctive views, yes, but I think its much more important to get to the 'root' of the issues rather than ponder why we have big yellow iphone signs (for example).

I think people on here can be abit silly in this respect (but I understand why so please dont take offense). Maybe i just have a different insight.

Bobblekin said...

Anonymous - I think people just want to know who said what. Recently some threads have had several postings by more than one "Anonymous".

So it then becomes difficult to follow your individual postings because they become mixed up with someone elses.

Why not post as "Anonymous1" or "Anonymous2" etc (on the "NAME/URL" field) depending on when you join the thread? Or any identifying tag - change it from day to day - no one wants to identify you - they just want to relate the various commments you make within one thread as against someone elses.

We're all anoymous until we attend a BC drinks night! Even then you can make it up as to who you are!

I hate what you just said...

I shall think of something...

spincat said...

I don't think it has got anything to do with identifying people or not, or wanting/not wanting to be accosted by a nutter ... or standing up for one's views, or anything as major as that.

Simply. It makes long discussions easier to follow,
and, for me if I see certain names appearing in a thread i think 'oh, good, there's going to be a fight'. And when people see 'Spincat' they may remember my previous postings and think 'probably-a-bit-of a-hippy-let's-ignore-her'. So you build an identity of sorts which makes the whole thing more interesting, I'd say.
But better to keep on persuading then to
' ban' anon postings, I think.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of manners, I was accosted for the first time today by the Tyrwhitt Road crack ho - the one that shouts across the road whether you've got 20p for the phone.

I said no and went to get a paper. On the way back she was leaning into some car window gesticulating excitedly.

Has Amy Winehouse moved to the area?

Anonymous said...

She was vocipherous in her support for the bookies.

Speaking of manners said...

There is an increasing amount of 'ad hominen' attacks in the comments, that I find rather ill mannered. I agree with the point made before that such behaviour contributes to people choosing to post as anon.

Whilst some of the comments people post here, are seemingly outlandish. Calling that person an idiot is unlikely to disabuse him or her of their improbable notions.

Go for the arguement, not the person; ask them to clarify their position as it could be you who has misunderstood them.
Once done, then proceed to blow their position out of the water!

APP&P Troll said...

@speaking of manners.

I completely agree with you. If we talk about the issues and it is quite clear that someone (such as myself) has made a mistake and I more than happy to retract a comment.

It is really unfortunate that people have resorted to petty name calling.

I have been called an idiot, moronic, twat, and many other nasty personal comments purely for speaking up about well thought through issues.

Its a complete degeneration of tolerance - and in the long run we all suffer.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you're a modern day galileo andy.

jon s said...

In an ideal world there wouldn't be ad hominum, but in the real world it happens. I'm not condoning it, but accepting it exists.

However, we must consider how we communicate and present ourselves to others and why we invite ad hominum.

If you look at some of the greatest communicators in the modern age e.g. Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, George Clooney, they ignore ad hominum with a smile and continue politely with their premise. Also, they are careful to present something in a non personal way and leave no hard feelings to avoid baggage when they speak in the future.

Btw, the other technique I've seen used here a lot is triangulation or the straw man hypotheis. Essentially, you have bad grammer or what you are saying is similar to an extreme idea (e.g. fashism, NIMBY), so I'll call bad grammar or the extreme idea and destroy that, not what you said. It's subtler but just as bad as ad hominum.

jon s said...

sorry, should be fascism, I can spell, honest!!

APP&P Troll said...

I agree.

Jon, you make alot of sense there. I hope you use that good knowledge of yours for something worthwhile (unlike me, being an auditor)!

Monkeyboy said...

Ah......sorted.

Monkeyboy is now registered.

JPM said...

Anonymous...

"I noticed that a couple of the main protagonists on this site were not keen meeting others at any of the drink ups. Fearful, maybe, that they have annoyed too many people already with their troll-like remarks."

I was on one of those that didn't meet for drinks. I think meeting may dilute later discussion - and because I figured I wouldn't get on with some of those who post here (or they with me for that matter).

However, by all accounts, went the night well.

I'm also someone who is very easy to identify and find, not just because of my strong opinions. But, hey, it's a global village and life is made easier because of who you know and not who you don't.

Step out of the shadows and identify yourself. (Unless you're already posting under another name and just being silly.)

Anonymous said...

I agree that Anons should be allowed to contribute. The blog would be half as busy for a start if that option was taken away.

It is possible to identify some people from the blog if you read the posts regularly. I have already seen people around Brockley and know who they are from what they have written.
It amazes me what information people give out. APPP has told us he lives on Revelon Road and has rare cats that he regularly walks, others have told us what time they run on Hilly fields everyday, or their regular sunday morning routine - some people even have their photo! I prefer to be anon however.
Sharon Stone

JPM said...

You are obviously the Anon who lives in a climate of paranoia.

So what if APP&P lives on Revlon Road, or I live in Manor Avenue, and 'others' go jogging on Hilly Fields. (Be amazed!)

I don't care if you can 'identify' me in the street, or in the buff for that matter.. there's nothing new in that it's what 'community' is. (Not the bufb but the identity bit. It's healthy.) And it's what having an opinion is all about. (When your older you'll realise this.)

I suspect you're someone with a business and you don't want your opinions to harm it. That's okay.

Me...I don't mind being an identifiable someone, with an opinion, and an address to go with it.

Brockley Kate said...

I would VERY much like to see someone manage to identify me based on what I've posted on here! In fact I'm inclined to offer a prize to the first BC reader to accost me in the street with a cry of 'You're Brockley Kate!'.

(Anyone who's met me at a BC drink is naturally excluded for obvious reasons)

Anonymous said...

Kate - there are photos of you 'cave tubing' on your own blog are there not? I'm fairly sure I could spot you in the street from those.

Brockley Kate said...

Good luck then! What do you think your prize should be?

Anonymous said...

JPM - while I take your point I think it depends what kind of opinions people are throwing around. I should imagine that APPP has upset quite a few people with his opinions. Were I a member of an ethnic minority I might wish to take him up on a few of his comments in person. No one knows whose logging on here or reading this stuff. If you think I'm being paranoid - fine - I can live with that, after all you don't know who I am.

Anonymous said...

How about 500 quid.

Brockley Kate said...

How about a coffee from the Broca?

I look forward to meeting you, anon. Of course, once you've met me you won't be anonymous any more, will you? I do hope that won't prove too traumatic for you.

Anonymous said...

A coffee????? My identity is worth more to me than that I'm afraid. Maybe it's not such a good idea. If I do see you I won't be making any introductions.

APP&P Troll said...

Im happy to talk to anymore about my opinions, I would prefer that in fact. Its only those who have a 'chip on their shoulder' who would take exception to my views.

JPM - could you give us any clues who to look out for? At the moment i'm picturing a 30's female with a kid in tow, stepping the length and
width of coulgate street on tiptoe!! Quite a funny image really!

APP&P Troll said...

When I say exception, i mean someone who wouldn't be civil if they met me in person. I'm actually very civil at work or out of work. It would take a very aggressive person to make a meeting with me go badly.

max said...

And many could become aggressive if told that they have "a chip on their shoulder", but maybe you wouldn't say that to somebody in person, wouldn't you?

APP&P Troll said...

Only if they become aggressive to me, I would probably say something but I assume everyone to be civil especaiiy, if i dont know them.

I never shout for example, and I have never actually been in a fight in my life - not even as a school child. I was the nerdy type at school and very quiet.

max said...

That is wonderful, were you also kind towards animals?

APP&P Troll said...

And yes, very kind to animals! Abit too kind in fact, you should see what the little blighters have done to my banisters!

JPM said...

Anonymous.. what makes you think i don't know who you are?

I am an 'ethnic' minority (term I hate)but my shoulders are broad enough to take on whatever APP&P, or anyone else has to say 'of value' on that subject.
(Unlike him I came out of the gutter fighting almost every other day, so I'm not really bothered meeting that challenge.)

Kate I'll take you up on revealing your identity, if you really want. (I've already identified most posters here anyway. Big deal.)

APP&P Troll said...

JPM, what makes you think I havn't come out from the gutter?

At a very early age I disliked why some people were given chances based on their family circumstances. I grew up in a council house and I'm the first person in my extended family to go to colleage let along university.

Alot of people outside of the UK have had a very hard upbrining, more so than those in the UK. However, struggle can be relative or absolute depending on how you compare it.

And I don't really care too much about ethnicity. It's temporary immigration and associated lack of respect for established social values in the UK that I have a problem with. Sometimes this could be linked with ethnicity, but it doesnt have to be.

Anonymous said...

What Andy says its true. We can continue name calling and wringing hands over this, or have a proper, adult, grown up discussion on it.

JPM said...

Andy... I wasn't actually having a go at you, but that anonymous poster (who annoys me).

I actually respect the fact that you have the courage to say what you do. (Which doesn't mean I agree with you though.) Keep on trucking without the PC.

max said...

AP,P&P, would you please list these established social values of the UK that you feel so strongly about.
Once I know them I may decide that you're right and go personally to each and everyone of those temporary immigrants and tell them to stop disrespecting them.

jon s said...

What Nick, John, and Kate are doing is linking people together to form a community. Aside from the housing stock, proximity to the city and leafy parts, that's what appealed to me about the area.

Being in a community you know what people look like and say hi to them on the street. It's not invading your privacy or threatening.

And may I suggest that we don't use any terms that people may find offensive when describing something. If you didn't think it was offensive and get called out, agree it is a normative concept, (has more than one definition) apologise and move on. You should have seen the insults I put up with whilst working hearts and minds in the military (including future friends trying to kill me) so I think we are all mature enough here!!

Finally, I think this is a good time to congratulate, Nick, John and (now) Kate on how this blog is helping to evolve the community. If I see any of you I will say hi, chat for a few minutes and buy you a coffee!!

Anonymous said...

It would be lovely if the core BC staff could put up a photo biog of themselves. Who knows, we may bump into each other at Broca before work.

APP&P Troll said...

Yes, I often go to the Broca - I have a suspicion that a few regular BC-ites chill out there...

Brockley Kate said...

... or you could just come to one of the regular drinks meet-ups and meet us in the flesh!

Brockley Kate said...

Thanks for the kind words, by the way, it's nice to know the work is appreciated! (Though I greatly enjoy doing it so it's hardly 'work' ...)

jon s said...

I will be coming to the bi-monthly drinks and get involved in other community activities, but until the end of September I am away Monday - Thursday on the continent for work.

jon s said...

@Kate

Somehow I think you writing on this blog would be a bit like me helping a local business with their strategy, feels good and is fun as it is what we do for a living (which we enjoy) but can do it on a local level and see the benefits.

Anonymous said...

JPM - I'm the anon who annoys you - which I love. There is no chance you can know who I am. You're full of hot air, dreamer.

brockley mutha said...

I agree with with jon s - thank you Nick, John and Kate. you do a great job.

Monkeyboy said...

Chip on the shoulder? Mmmmmmm....chips.

Just had a Whopper and fries on the way back from a bit of a session in Kentish Town with some chums. Discussed David Cameron, Amy Wine House, Bear Grylis or Ray Mears (Mears won obviously) apple crumble, cheese, G&T with lemon or lime (lime in my opinion) Tony Blair attempting to unite the worlds religions (you couldn't make it up)

..now feeling slightly sick of the whopper AND Blair, will need many laps of Hilly Fields to run it off.

APP&P Troll said...

Now a fully fledged blogger

Tom said...

Isn't the thing about community that it does throw you into a mix of people that have a range of views?

This is something I think worth celebrating.

Geography doesn't, and shouldn't, mean we all agree on everything.

However, keeping discussion away from personal attacks, and being careful with sensitive issues, is sensible, just as with any other conversation.

Anonymous said...

Andy honestly, fancy including the word troll in your name. This says a lot about your judgement. It's neither funny nor clever, it's sad indictment to your behaviour on this blog.

Anyway whatever you have to live with it.

Headhunter said...

Andy, why don't you just do away with the "PP&P" but and just call yourself Andy Troll? What was that pudding and pie business anyway?

BTW have you made it up Pepys Rd yet?

APP&P Troll said...

its a nickname given to me by my siblings when growing up - makes me smile everytime I type it! Andy troll seems abit boring. Open to suggestions for a different one (no insults pls).

Yes HH, made it up 3 times in a row now, just about to attempt my fourth! Its amazingly tiring but very rewarding. When the weather is nice I want to go on a proper day trip somewhere.

Anonymous said...

you mean there are more of you?

Bea said...

APP&P Troll: How about - The Cat Man? (or The Fat Cat Man / The Thin Cat Man / The Bald Cat man – chose your adjective)

Conjures up some bizarre images - like you and your cats taking a walk; or you in a cat suit cycling up hills; or maybe the reaction you sometimes get to your comments (i.e. catty) - not that I agree with your views on “Britishness” but the reactions you get are fairly personal in my opinion. Mind you – you did a big meow on Monkeyboy recently if I recall correctly.

Then again – I’d stick to APP&P Troll – since that’s what you’re known as here and like it or loath it you’ve definitely got a well known tag on BC.

APP&P Troll said...

*phew* Ok, just did the fourth hike up pepys...

The Cat Man - Like it! How about just 'The Cat'?

btw Bea, did you notice my cat pic in my profile? Tiggy is the darker one, Winky is the whit-ish one

Anonymous said...

http://xkcd.com/231/

The Cat Man said...

Meeeaaaooow indeed!!!

Anonymous said...

You know, the thing I like about this blog is it's not just a vehicle for Nick's (or Jon's or Kate's) ego - it's about stuff that's relevant to us all.

Despite that, one reader seems to think it's about him and that we should all find what name he chooses for himself, what he thinks of immigrants, what little fantasies he's cooked up about the westside and the fact that he has cats endlessly fascinating. Well they're really not.

Andy, it's not all about you.

The Cat Man said...

Mr Anon, I agree.

Yet more personal attacks.

Why dont you join in - get a name for instance if you feel that strongly.

Speaking of manners said...

I think that latest attack on Andy is unfair. Things he has written about in the past shouldn't constantly be brought up.

Bea said...

The Cat - I've checked out your new photo and both cats are very cute indeed ;-)

Anonymous said...

they look like normal cats...

The Cat Man said...

Thanks Bea, I just had to take one of them to the vet - Winky had something wrong with her womb, awaiting scans now :o(

Headhunter said...

Winky had something wrong with her womb.... Too much information, Andy

The Cat Man said...

Dont worry HH, she is still happy and running around!

Tressillian James said...

It looks like the Cat Man has now formally given up his troll title to whoever is posting these recent comments under Anon.

Hope the cat gets better...

The Cat Man said...

Thanks James!

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