Brockley Cross Crisis Point, Day 4


Here's another shot of creative parking in Brockley Cross. You might be thinking that we've chosen this shot because of the white van that's straddling the pavement for no good reason, but you'd be wrong! The worst offender in this particular shot is the blue Renault in the foreground, which may appear to be in use, but which is actually parked slap bang in the middle of the junction. Place all the bollards you like in Brockley Cross, this driver will find a way to park.

We hope to hear from the Council soon...

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

have you got the sack from your job Nick?

The Cat Man said...

wow, you have to be kidding - honestly, this is beyond a joke.

Lewisham Council, if you want ANY votes in brockley/telegraph hill I suggest you actually stand up and listen.

Marc said...

Bring back targeted bonuses for our traffic wardens only in Brockley Cross. They'd have a field day.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or does Catman's reaction make make you love double parkers?

Anonymous said...

yeah, that corner is pretty bad. Even after the road was resurfaced and the yellow lines re-painted, people still park their cars right up to the end which makes it very difficult to see an on-coming car around the sharp bend.
Annoying, but doesn't deter me using that road to get home to hilly fields.

psyche9 said...

I must admit I was concurring with the jack-russell walking view in other thread, when I nearly got run down by a red transit that zoomed up onto the pavement while I was walking opposite the Brockley Jack.

Pushy Mother said...

Having recently had a baby I am now experiencing Brockley-by-pram for the first time, and I have to say this whole bad parking business is actually really difficult to cope with. Occasionally you have to go out into the road to get round cars that are parked on the pavement, which is scary. For me the worst thing (partly because it's so common) is people parking over the end of junctions. This a) blocks access to the flat bit of "accessible" pavement so that you have to manoeuvre over the pavement edges - if you were wheelchair-bound this would totally bugger you up, b) sometimes forces you into the road to go round the end of the car and c) completely blocks visibility so you can't see oncoming traffic on the street you are trying to cross. The problem with a pram is that it, and your beloved firstborn child, precede you - so if you have to get round a car to see what is coming, your pram is in the path of oncoming traffic by the time you get to a point where you can see. So if you are wandering round Brockley and you see a lady with a pram reversing her way over junctions - that'll be me. I would feel a lot safer and my life would be easier if people didn't park like that.

older, less pushy father said...

Of course the problem isn't confined to Brockley Cross and I remember the same thing whilst pushing my son about 20 years ago.

Why should the Council pay any more attention to Brockley Cross that another area? The answer is that it shouldn't and it has to prioritise where they put their efforts.

Putting better pedestrian road crossings at Brockley Cross may be a better use of resources in fact.

Brockley Nick said...

The Council should develop a response to tackle problem areas (not solely Brockley Cross). If there are other areas of particular concern around, then please let's highlight them, but I have never seen anywhere as bad as Brockely Cross.

Anonymous said...

You obviously have a closer knowledge of Brockley Cross but the Council have to take a broader view (obviously), they would probably also claim that there is already a policy in place to record and act on areas of concern highlighted by members of the public, and I dare say provide you with graphs and flowcharts to show they've successfully tackled many problems.

I'm sure that the BXAG have also been bringing the junction to their attention for many years.

Brockley Nick said...

Of course, anon - they must take a wider view. There may or may not be a policy - but regardless, it is clear to anyone who walks through it that it is not working.

The BXAG have been campaigning for years about the bigger picture for Brockley Cross. I understand the reasons why that is a slow process.

However, parking enforcement can be dealt with instantly and on a revenue-neutral basis, which is why I have chosen to raise it.

Anonymous said...

Isn't half the problem, that drivers and wheelie bin owners are clueless to basic civilities and indeed those regulations and laws. The same drivers no doubt are the ones that always have to go bumper to bumper, even on pelican crossings, so that we all have to edge round their exhausts. Or if you have a push chair, just wait for the lights to come round again. Never in too much of a hurry to stop and shout should you point out the error of their ways. The council repaved a damaged footpath on Vicars Hill, even though it was a regular parking white van that had damaged it. I presume they didn't ask him to pick up the bill.

Brockley Nick said...

PS - this isn't an attack on the Council, the blame must fall squarely on those who break the rules. But it's a request that the Council help the people they represent by trying afresh to solve a horrendous problem that only they can deal with.

matrowan said...

That was a van which parked so badly on a very wide footpath, you had to go out onto the road if you had push chair. Just on the top of the hill with poor visiblity. Isn't there a handy Love Lewisham type site we could send offending photos to. Then they could send letters out saying if it happens again you'll get fined?

Like dropping litter, some people are just clueless, rather than obnoxious.

I was rather wondering if there was any news on the public meeting for Loampit Vale, or is it too far away for Brockleyites to bother about? It still might affect your parking though and just think of all the extra traffic you will experience for years whilst developers put up those extra floors on the tower blocks, so they can ensure their profits.

Anonymous said...

Matro: there was a comment or two of the Loampit Vale thing in the 'Lewisham Gateway: A piecemeal approach?' section.

There's also a piece going in that mighty local organ the 'Newsshopper' this week - I know because I've just spoken to the reporter dealing with it.

Anonymous said...

The council do have to prioritise though, and I'm sure there are traffic and parking problems elsewhere in the Borough that have a greater knock-on effect.

And as Matrowan says, when, and if, the Loampit Vale and Gateway things go ahead the shit is going to hit the proverbial fan as far as road users (and pedestrians) go, and as far back as Brockley!

And for a couple of years...

All that said, if it is just a matter of putting a traffic warden in to enforce local parking restrictions why on earth isn't it being done?

Anonymous said...

I live just down from Vicars hill and commuters park in front of my house every morning. Truly NOT looking forward to what it will be like in a few years (although haven't made up my mind yet about the plans)

short sighted Ladywellian said...

Absolutely anon 12:14, but there are planning works notices attached to the lampposts up and down Vicars Hill, which says the Council are about to implement traffic parking restrictions on the junctions of roads joining Vicars Hill (I haven't looked at it closely with my spectacles on though so the detail could be different).

Brockley Kate said...

Here's a thought - in the absence of parking wardens, how about a community leafleting campaign? Print up some leaflets politely pointing out the inconvenience/hazard and putting them on offending vehicles?

It's not ideal, but in the absence of council action it could be better than nothing?

[waits for idea to be shot down in flames]

Tressilliana said...

Short-sighted Ladywellian, I wouldn't get too excited about any changes the Council is bringing in. A few years ago lots of corners in SE4 were carefully marked out with double yellow lines. Hasn't made a blind bit of difference as drivers just ignore them. Worth the risk for them, as traffic wardens are rarely seen walking round SE4.

The Cat Man said...

Kate, that is a great idea.

My only concern is that effectively we are replacing the council as they are proving to be completely inefficient.

Why does even basic things like enforcing pavements/motor offenses have to be done by a community group? It really says something about the council - vote them out, let the greens take charge.

Short-sighted Ladywellian said...

Thanks for your caution Tressilliana, but thankfully the thought of roadmarkings do not generally lead me to become excited.

Anonymous said...

ahh the sodding white van on vicars hill. It totally blocks the view and I reported it to the safer neighbourhoods team once; they knew all about it. I am positive it ought to get clamped?

And see the back of this week's Mercury for the traffic orders on parking restrictions on Vicars Hill and the bottom of Algiers Road. Hopefully they will also block parking opposite the ceramics shop as cars parked there mean people are either caught out and swing too far round, or fast driving tossers use it as an excuse to drive on the wrong side of the road around the bollards. Really gets my goat.

hilly said...

Mat, one point from public meeting for Loampit Vale, the developers said that the anticipated 2000 new residents would not be allowed to have parking permits for the surrounding area. This is supposed to mean that they will not cause the existing residents any problems with driving up the neighbouring roads or parking in them. It was pointed out that as there is no Controlled parking in the adjacent residential area, so
they would not need a permit. They looked a bit blank and just went on to the next matter. Similar thing happened when some one queried additional traffic from the 2000 residents and leisure centre and commercial units (we pressume they will need to take deliveries). They said they would do traffic calming, mentioned having speed bumps and making it a 20mph zone. Again this is what is there already. They either hadn't realised or more likely didn't care.

Ed said...

Is a thread for insensitive advertising placements in Brockley worthwhile? Would the Bridge look good painted the same green as the cantilevered section of the Tea Factory? What is happening about the pedestrianisation of Coulgate Street? That is all...

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