New proposal for Mantle Road

The new application to redevelop the site on Mantle Road once occupied by the Maypole Pub is in. It's not radically different from the previous version, but slightly nicer to look at, promising:


The construction of a single to five storey building at 1 Mantle Road SE4, comprising a commercial unit (Use Class A1) on the ground floor and 3 one bedroom, 4 two bedroom, 1 three bedroom self-contained flats and 1 three bedroom self-contained maisonette on the upper floors incorporating balconies/roof terraces, together with associated landscaping, the provision of bin stores, 14 bicycle spaces and 2 car parking spaces with access onto Reynard Close.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

yes, built from the same 'architect-free' 'lowest possible cost' 'make it as drab as possible' kit that dominates most developments these days

Anonymous said...

More rubbish high density buildings

Brockley Nick said...

High density good, this design, meh.

Anonymous said...

everyone's a critic.

max said...

There's also this application for the Carpet Wharehouse site on Ladywell Road just in front of the Playtower.

HRH The Prince of Wales. said...

Agreed, one cannot truly enjoy life unless you are in splendid isolation. 100 acres is the least one should insist upon.

Anonymous said...

This looks like it's going to be a busy little stretch when all the developments are complete. What does an A1 commercial premises have to be? (don't say fried chicken)

Anonymous said...

Possibly 9 car owners with only 2 car parking spaces.

On the other hand said...

Possibly 20 bicycle owners with only 14 bicycle parking spaces.

CarsSchmars said...

Well, if I owned a car and was thinking about moving one of the things I'd check was where I would be able to park the car. If I found I couldn't park easily near where I lived I wouldn't move there. So if the lack of car parking space really is such a big issue for people who are buying right opposite a railway station, the units won't sell, will they?

Brockley Nick said...

Tend to agree that it's unlikely to attract car owners.

mintness said...

Or it'll attract *stupid* car owners. Clearly the best kind to have in the neighbourhood. ;)

The Cat Man said...

I got a letter about this - do people really think this is better than the old design? The old design was mostly glass, this looks like it consists of cheap beige painted slabs...

also, in case interested - there is another planning application for the Broca Food Market parade of shops. The new owners want to increase the story and build another floor of residential apartments...

Pete said...

I guess it might possibly increase the demand for a CPZ as there are sure to be people who will buy there and own a car.

Node said...

This will be the first thing that greets you as you walk over the footbridge. Oh brilliant.

The Cat Man said...

having looked again, maybe I was abit harsh - it looks 'ok'. I think it will look quite nice when you see it from over the footbridge. It will surely attract a decent retailer.

A1 refers to most shops, not including hot food to takeaway thankfully.

Brockley Jon said...

Haha, just catching up with the parking debate here after my comment on the Ladywell development. Same problem, different area.

Brockley Nick said...

@Node - if (and this is a big if) you are greeted by a welcoming, useful shop and an apartment block full of people who look like they care about their home, then it will be no bad thing. Better than the hoardings that currently say hello.

Anonymous said...

Having a residential block with commercial space below is a good thing to have opposite the bridge. I've already noticed that the station area feels safer after dark because of the lights coming from he mantle road development being built. There's a feeling of people being around because lights are on. When these block actually open and people are around it will have the same effect.

Has anyone else heard the sainsbury's local rumours?

Waitrose lover said...

Maybe Waitrose will do one of their new small format shops?

Are Waitrose mung mongers?

Anonymous said...

I was told on saturday by someone that 'someone' had told them that sainsbury's local was going into bridge house.

Brockley Nick said...

The rumours of a supermarket chain moving in have been kicking around for a long time. I will try and check-in with L&Q to see if there's any update.

The Cat Man said...

My personal view is that a new supermarket will be moving into the site currently occupied by the grey portacabins on mantle road, next to the station bridge.

My best guesss would be:
- Sainsburies local
- Sainsburies develop the site, and pay for new station west-side entrance underneath and residential on top. The site has rear access at the end (where the new street will go) which will allow for deliveries.

Unfortunately the other evidence I have to support my case is:
- grey portacabins there on a temporary 2yr basis (about 2 yrs ago) whilst PFI housing contract takes place
- KFH agent reports that the council told him that a supermarket will be moving in to the site in 18ths. That was 6 mths ago.

I dont think a supermarket will be moving into bridge house...

Headhunter said...

It would be pretty difficult for large supermarket delivery lorries to get to that site wouldn't it? The approach from Brockley X means large lorries would have to pass under the railway bridge which may be a tight squeeze and the other approach is along fairly narrow residential roads.

Anonymous said...

Don't think delivery lorries would be a problem judging by some of the huge plant machines they used to knock down the old building that was there and clear away the tonnes of rubble.

Anonymous said...

Catman - might be worth another call to the agents. I hdn't considered that site but it's huge so a sainsbury's could also include parking - much like the tesco metro on the way to east dulwich (nr the garage)> I know the 2 yr lease is about to be up so might make sense.

This Is England said...

Are we supposed to get excited about a supermarket moving in?

Anonymous said...

I would be.

The Cat Man said...

I also believe they are going to put in a mini roundabout on mantle road, outside the chinese takeaway - 4 exits - new street/supermarket, mantle road or st asaph road, and new entrance to john stainer school (they have already lowered the new pathway)

Anonymous said...

where is the evidence for this catman?

Tamsin said...

But if I was the Broca, Degustation or many of the shops on Brockley Road I would be worried - especially if it was a mini-supermarket of the type that is designed to undercut the traditional corner shop.

Ed said...

I can't help thinking that five stories is too high for such a narrow street but I think it will match the existing new buildings...

Mouse said...

@ Catman 13:49 - Doesn't the additional storey on top of the BFM parade already have permission? Scaffolding has been up for weeks so I suspected that was why...

Tone said...

That's three fairly dull big blocks of flats next to each other. I know the west-side needed developing, but a shame it's in such a sterile way...

Also what sort of person gets excited about a new supermarket moving in? The same that wants a local Pizza Express I presume. Ugh.

Anonymous said...

Pizza express!!! Whoohooo!!

Nux said...

Urg. Boring and samey

Headhunter said...

Well I guess it is SE London, property prices aren't as high as they are elsewhere in London so the motivation to invest an enormous amount in an 1 off, architect designed masterpiece must be pretty low. Unless there is some kind of local pressure, developers are always going to buy off the shelf, bland designs to increase their margins...

This Is England said...

If you live in Brockley because you like Brockley, there's no reason to get excited about any of these proposed bland redevelopments. Adding a supermarket or another half empty shopping parade isn't improving the area.

The Cat Man said...

I just heard from the council that the commercial unit on the floor of this development has been reserved already.... presumably a local supermarket - express or local perhaps :)

Anonymous said...

Sorry Catman, why presumably a supermarket? did the council say a supermarket?

Paul

Anonymous said...

Catman again showing astounding idiocy.

Anonymous said...

Supermarket = more local shops closing.

Ed said...

I live in Brockley because I like it but think I could like it more (oh and I could afford it).

Mindless rejection of quality chains is as stupid as mindless addiction to them.

My life would, I am afraid, be better with a local supermarket (other than the rather expensive yet low quality options) and a Pizza Express (it would work so well at the Barge site).

Anon said...

Insult slinging Anons have their very own brand of astounding idiocy!

This Is England said...

Ed you should live in Milton Keynes

Stanley said...

So says another anon....

You couldn't make it up if you tried.

Brockley Nick said...

Tesco Metro on Lewisham Way was supposed to herald the end of independent shops on that parade. Three years on, the parade is virtually unchanged, except that it now offers a Tesco and a free cash machine.

This Is England said...

I expect that Tesco attracted people that were put off by the other shops, too ethnic perhaps? If not then the customer base for the other shops has been diluted.

BrockleyCross said...

What with this and the proposal to redevelop the industrial plot just by the chinese takeaway, parking around this side of the tracks might be about to get interesting

Brockley Jon said...

For me, what Tesco Metro did was make me realise how good some of the other shops were along that stretch, and actually cheaper in many cases. Rather than doing one big shop at big Tesco down in Lewisham, and then grazing from the small local shops, it made us balance it out much more equally - It was Tesco Lewisham that really lost out.

Anonymous said...

So it would be a good thing then?

BrockleyEconomist said...

Scaffolding on BFM building on Mantle road has nothing to do with planning permission. Actually just repainting windows and fixing the roof (I live there).

The west side of the station is dark and intimidating at night. We could do with some more development and a supermarket to increase pedestrian traffic...

Ed said...

@This is England, I think the commute from Milton Keynes to Canary Wharf might be a little difficult but thank you for your kind suggestion.

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