Sky News: Stashed guns found in Brockley

On Friday night, we received Twitter alerts that a large team of police, including forensic officers, were inspecting bins in St Peter's Court, Wickham Road and had discovered some guns.

Sky News was following the operation and reports that it follows a tip-off from a local resident, which Sky received directly and passed to the police. Thirty officers from the Met and Cheshire police (who are providing overflow support) were involved in the search and found five guns including a revolver, two antique pistols and two flare guns. It's suggested the guns had been stored by gang members "in anticipation of further riots."

One 18 year old man was arrested on "suspicion of possession of firearms," after someone was seen throwing what looked like gun cartridges out of a window.

You can see the full report here.

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

who reports a crime to sky tv before telling the police ?

Anonymous said...

I live here. Great.

Lorna J said...

I'm with the first comment - who the HELL calls Sky TV before the police?! Jesus.

Oh well, nice to know the guns have moved from Whitbread Road. There was a stash a couple of doors away apparently, a couple of years back - came home to armed officers in the street and surrounding gardens. Terrific.

Charlie said...

Jesus Christ I was right about this area.

Anonymous said...

Nice antiques. Wonder who had them stolen.

Pesky kids

other, slightly less reactionary Charlie said...

I wonder what proof they have that this is anything to do with riots? Not that it changes it for us I guess, as having gun caches in the area is less than ideal. But it does seem like it's being linked to the riots a little spuriously...

Anonymous said...

@Charlie. What do you mean by you were right about this area?

Charlie said...

Crime of course, hardcore crime seems to be rife around here.

Brockley Nick said...

@Charlie - well we know that Brockley, like much of inner London, has its problems with gang-related crime. That's well documented and I should think understood by everyone who lives here.

Matt-Z said...

Cheshire Police have been prominent in the area ever since the riots. I've seen a number of their vans around, often 3 or 4 in convoy.

Charlie said...

Well to put a positive gloss on it. It was good that the person reported the gun arsenal to the police (via Sky) so no one can be threatened with these or worse. But honestly what is going on round here crimewise??? This really is bad news for Brockley...again.

Anonymous said...

The feds said a gun was used in the riots. These are guns. Hardcore. Rife.

Did they find the powder and ball or just the 'silencer' and spent ww2 flare cases?

2+2= Stupid-ish kids lost nerve after robbing wrong shop, grassed themselves via text up by calling sky to offset trace risk.

2+2+met= Streets cleared of gangs cache, possible weapons used in the recent battle of England. Lives saved. Medals due, community saved.

Brockley Gal said...

Well Done to the brockley citizen who got these guns removed.

There used to be a gun shop in Catford - how easy is it get these weapons anyway?

Brockley Nick said...

@Charlie - re: bad news for Brockley. If the person had tipped off the police rather than Sky, this probably wouldn't be news for anyone but local media. But instead, Sky News got not just an exclusive but a key role in the story and the chance to film it all live and so they are running it as their top story on heavy rotation.

Anonymous said...

Just like Sky reporting during the early stages of the riots whilst it spread through the UK.

Lou Baker said...

All hail the dimwit who throws a gun out of his window while the place is surrounded by police.

He deserves to be locked up for crimes against intelligence.

But will probably get let off with a slap on the wrists.

Anonymous said...

My friend reported some guns he found being stashed in some flats in Brockley to the police. He had to wait over an hour before they turned up, all the while hoping whoever owned the guns didn't come back first.
Seems reporting stuff to Sky first is the best bet if you want the police to actually do anything.

Brockley Nick said...

There is probably some truth in that, very often. As someone who has worked with a few organisations' press offices, it's amazing how much media inquiries can focus attention.

J said...

To add to Matt-Z. I'd also been wondering why there've been so many Cheshire Police vans around too. I even asked the driver of one if he was lost!

Charlie said...

Exactly Nick, poor Brockley this is really unfair on the place, but the Sky reporter is getting a hard time of it, on the webchat.

mb said...

We live in an age where information is everywhere. There appears to be more of every type of crime and misdemenor. I wouldn't have had a clue about the problems on Upper Brockley Road if it hadn't been for this blog, it can distort the perception of an area, although five guns would probably have got some old school media coverage pre interweb.

On the plus side I've found shops I never knew about and would never have known Lou existed. Imagine!

Anyway, guns gone so thats all good.

max said...

Those were proper conservation area guns.
What's the name of the local gang? The Highwaymen?

TM said...

I think Brockley Jack was a highwayman.

Perhaps the pistols are his.

Blackadder said...

Must admit if I was to be held up at gunpoint I'd like it to be a chap on a horse with two antique pistols rather than some young rapscalion with a converted starting pistol...or a flare gun.

X-Brockley said...

You'd be a bit annoyed if you wanted to get hold of a gun for nefarious purposes and were sold something that looked like a prop from Pirates Of the Caribbean though wouldn't you? Doesn't really go with the riot-fresh Nikes.

Come on SE London villains - re-up a little please.

Ratbag said...

Wearing my nerd hat, the antique guns are not flintlock but percussion cap so dating after 1840. Judging by the lanyard ring on the butt cap of one they were naval issue.

Argh! shiver me timbers...! said...

OK, OK... robbed by a chap dressed as a salty old sea dog who deserted for stealing salt beef from the Deptford Naval Victualling Office

Headhunter said...

"Feds"...? God I hate the Americanisation of English... Come on crims, think of something more original... This isn't downtown Brooklyn, it's Brockley, you can do better...

Anonymous said...

so, 'gang-related crime', a euphemism no doubt . . .

little better than saying 'investigate by trident'

sorry, forget, we're in denial

Anonymous said...

You can still say "black" if you want to, no one's stopping you.

Brockley Nick said...

It's not a euphemism, it's what it is. Related to gang-culture, rather than a simplistic racial profile.

The oracle said...

I think this is a lot more besides.

Why the involvement of the Cheshire Police?

Also, the claim that the reporter did not know the 'informant' doesn't ring true. How many reporters go out with a camera team, followed by two police forces, based on a phone call? It just doesn't happen.

Dig deeper.

TM said...

Cheshire Police involvement is obvious.

They follow the Welsh going clockwise around the country.

It'll be Lancashire or Greater Manchester next.

Mb said...

@the oracle. Yes, they may have know the informant. If the informant didn't want to be identified to the police it would not be a stretch to expect the journalist to maintain that anonymity. At for the camera crew being there, obviously sky would have a camera crew ready before informing the police. It's sky, it's what they do. What nefarious motive do you see behind the Cheshire police? Organised high end cheese smuggling?

TheOracle said...

TM, obvious to you but not to the reporter who covered this story.

This is from Cheshire Police's Website.

"Cheshire Police would like to re-assure local residents that there is no cause for alarm. Police officers will be robustly policing our streets and using all the powers at their disposal to ensure that the behaviour witnessed elsewhere in the country does not occur here in Cheshire. Officers will not hesitate in arresting anyone who is involved in inciting behaviour that is likely to lead to, or cause, public disorder on the streets."

"Those who use social networking sites as a means of inciting unlawful behaviour will be traced, identified, and brought before the courts. Two people have today been arrested on suspicion of inciting public disorder through social networking sites, and police will continue to monitor on line activity and deal robustly with this type of offence."

"Cheshire police have provided support to the Metropolitan Police, and a number of Cheshire officers have travelled to London. However, this will not impact on the high level of service the communities of Cheshire expect, and continue to receive, from their local police teams."

It could be that the little birdy that grassed may have been Twitter.

Dig deeper.

TheOracle said...

Mb, I don't doubt that Sky has camera crews 'ready'. I just doubt that it would spring into action when a simple text message(?) is received.

Reporters get lots of these kinds of tip offs, and calls for meetings in all kinds of places and by all kinds of people. Why did this reporter place such value on the text messages receive?

There must be more.

Dan said...

thanks for the heads-up on article.

We passed the police on Friday.

I wonder why it took so long to report?

Mb said...

I'm hiding the gorgonzola just in case, there are desperate people out there.

Anonymous said...

I live in the said block of flats.. my guess is that it was probably a refuse collector that alerted the Sky reporter as the rubbish had been collected that morning. The fact the guns were inside the bin itself which was empty (other than the bags with the guns in) suggests to me that this quite possibly could be the case.... My view.. It was upsetting, irritating and ruined my Friday. We weren't allowed in or out of the flats for 3 hours and were being escorted to our doors and being told nothing. The block was being stared at by every passer by on foot or in a vehicle. Embarrassing, this block is such a lovely place to live and I have lived here for 16 years. When I first saw the cameramen I thought they were filming a crime scene for 'The Bill'. I do think the amount of Police that attended 'the find' was an overreaction and it would have been nice to have been told some facts when questioning the police as to why they were searching our bins. They weren't very forthcoming. All they said was that they had some intelligence that something had been stashed in the vicinity of the flats for later criminal use. That was all they told us. I realised it was firearms when I looked off my balcony and saw the forensic team carrying them in see through plastic bags.

Anonymous said...

@"Embarrassing, this block is such a lovely place to live and I have lived here for 16 years."

Some of your neighbours must not be thinking on the same line.

I still never see police around our road, unless when something happens.

Anonymous said...

err yes anon, exactly my point (at the comment after mine above) 'embarrassing' because of what people/neighbours will be thinking... like I said its a nice place to live and there is no proof that these guns aren't just guns thats someone was throwing away, they werent hidden, they were thrown in a bin, as far as I am concerned that isn't hiding or stashing. There is also no proven link as yet with the boy arrested and the guns found either. The guns could have been put in the bins by anyone off of the street.

Brockley Ben said...

I'm sorry Nick, but I'm going public with the real truth here. It's time the good, honest folk of Brockley knew just how deep you go into SE4's shady underbelly.

Get real, people: "mung bean" is an anagram of "be gunman". Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

Could it be Sky looked in the bin themselves before informing the police?

Sky recently did an interview on the foreshore of the Thames with 4 young criminals from Lewisham.

Who boasted of doing a tour of riot areas in a van collecting items.

They also talked of gang rivalry being forgotten on the night, you have may have noticed a murder trial involving very young children recently ended atthe Old Bailey.

And another public 'gang' murder connected to Lewisham is progressing through the courts.

The Brockley area has a history of murders, including the shooting of an individual in an office at Brockley Cross some years ago.

Making light of this events or relatives saying 'he was a lovely' boy is exactly what those criminals want, as means they have free rein in the community and their only enemy is the police.

And left wing students at Goldsmith's and looney tutors hate the police and will provide an intellctual defence of the gunman.

sigh.... said...

anywhere has a history of murders. Brockley has had none for at least the last two years. Its hardly peaceful but lets not carried away.

As for the left wing loonies etc...get a grip. understanding or seeking to understand why people murder is not the same as excusing it. Or do you subscribe to the rather childish "they're just evil" which tells you precisly nothing. I've read books on the rise of stalinism and nazism, it's useful to see how that happens, i condone neither.

Anonymous said...

There was a murder on Howson Road in May 2010

Anonymous said...

@anon 9:21.

Possession of a firearm is illegal. Pretending that they belong to someone that came to Brockley just to dump their illegal guns is a bit much.

Everyone following this blog knows that Brockley has its fair share of gangs, stabbings and murders. Although may be declining, it is perhaps more than most people would consider normal.

Hence I would like to see more Police patrolling the streets. Not so long ago I spoke to a local community warden. He told me that these kids that create gang related trouble are well know to wardens and the Police. They were young local kids from know families who are now growing up both in age and gang activity. He admitted that little is done, or has been done, to change their path.

So it seems that the current non-action attitude results in funding (via benefits) and raising an new generation of criminals that has now reached the late teens and early 20s.

A bright future for the neighbourhood and for the kids, all in thename of liberalism

Anonymous said...

Yes anon 15.05, possession of firearms is llegal but the guns found in the bins were not illegal, they are old and a couple are antiques and can be bought at boot fairs these days and do not need a licence. I didn't say that someone out of the area had come to dump them in Brockley, I said we do not know, they could have been and that there is no proof they had anything to do with the boy arrested, or 'gangs' or anyone from St Peters Court or Wickham Road for that matter. Have you actually watched and read the Sky report on this? Like I said, they were probably thrown away, why would you try and stash guns that are 'to be used for future criminality' in a bin that is going to get emptied by refuse collectors. Had they been 'stashed' as reported and were illegal guns as you say then I would be feelig a lot differently about it but at the moment, it seems to be just a pathetic attempt for a Sky reporter to get his name in lights..

Anonymous said...

I see yet another murder case taking place with a connection to Brockley.

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